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reply posted on 29-9-2009 @ 02:30 PM by TheOneElectric
reply to post by fleabit



Look, that is only one of many problems with the video. Basically I am saying that most planes usually need a runway to take off rather than just shooting straight up and you are telling me that I can not possibly know that fact without being an expert.


reply posted on 29-9-2009 @ 02:41 PM by FightThePower
reply to post by Tapped In



is this real or fake what do you guys think, i cant tell, or basically i dont want to beleive what im seeing.
???


reply posted on 29-9-2009 @ 02:46 PM by smurfy
reply to post by The Savage Khan

I disagree about the helicopter, it has a range of sounds heard including lows and highs, so not bad for a dosy camera mike. Actually the voices on my sound equipment are pretty clear and there is little distortion or hiss. In any case commenting on the audio is taking away from the visual aspect, which is very good. The audio is incidental in that it could have been redone. It's more than one step to say that the jets are cgi because the audio is added to. There is also a lot going on, for instance, the leading jet on the return pass seems to let go a missile at whatever had just sped away, and this is after the main"UFO" has dived into the water, all incidental stuff you can't see when the video is running.





[edit on 29-9-2009 by smurfy]



reply posted on 29-9-2009 @ 02:55 PM by Tifozi
The jets are fake, and no, there isn't two pairs of jets. They don't fly that close. They either fly in a big formation, or they give room to maneuver to either squad.

The turn-around speed is too fast to be real for the speed the jets have. They are not in supersonic speed, they don't have their afterburners on. That is a representation of jets flying at a low altitude cruising speed, which puts to the ground their maneuvers.

When attacking, you need time to lock to your target, and that is true for any F-14 (that isn't in service anymore), F/A-18 or A-10. It's not like they are playing Ace of Combat and they can go around like they want to...

They have to attack, gain altitude and make another angle of attack. They don't just go around and attack like they want to, and fighters don't come across that close to eachother in any scenario but a airshow one.

The helicopter isn't CGI. Is real, from the noise to the object and to the effects on the water (way to complex to fake).

The helicopter is a A-Star, provably the 350.



Is a almost perfect helicopter for urban acttivities. That's why the police and news agencies use them so much.

Guess who DOESN'T use them... Yes, the military. Neither does the Coastal Guard for that matter.

I'm portuguese, and we have a huge ocean territory. That is a short range fishing boat, so it has to be close to land, and there isn't any american base that could respond in that way within my knowledge.

In this situation it could only be a spanish helicopter or a portuguese military helicopter (that make coastal duty), or a airplane (hercules C-130 for example).

And we use radios around here, and you have to use them, so its stupid to think that they would send a helicopter to say "hey, leave the area". They would just contact them via radio, or use a interceptor boat (which Portugal and Spain have) to approach this boat.

Neither Portugal nor Spain use the A-star for military/coastal duty.

The only american base around here that is important enought to take a mission like this is in one of our islands. The Azores base. But since the jets are fake, that doesn't even need to be looked into.


Conclusion: It's fake, and someone spent a lot of resources to pull this one off. but some aspects fail, like the maneuvers of the jets and the water effect of the UFO.

P.S.: I'm not a accent expert, but this spanish accent sounds more mexican than spanish to me, don't know why. And the accent from Galiza sounds a lot like portuguese accent, so I would recognize it. But I'm not sure on this one.


reply posted on 29-9-2009 @ 02:57 PM by fleabit
So, Terra is the news agency that had this on their site:

noticias.terra.es...

They also posted this:

""Due to external pressure yesterday we must remove the video of the fisherman, but after analyzing the value of this information for our readers believe that in the interest of journalistic ethics should publish this news."

Well.. is a valid site.. they are trying to get more news, they are not guaranteeing the validity of the video, but they did say that leading up to this, they had many ufo reports. Interesting, to say the least.

[edit on 29-9-2009 by fleabit]


reply posted on 29-9-2009 @ 03:02 PM by Tifozi
reply to post by fleabit



It's a small news website. Not very credible.

This happened very close to Portugal, and I haven't heard of it at all, which makes me believe this is a one spot news, meaning, not very credible.


reply posted on 29-9-2009 @ 03:08 PM by The Savage Khan
Originally posted by smurfy
reply to
post by The Savage Khan

I disagree about the helicopter, it has a range of sounds heard including lows and highs, so not bad for a dosy camera mike. Actually the voices on my sound equipment are pretty clear and there is little distortion or hiss. In any case commenting on the audio is taking away from the visual aspect, which is very good. The audio is incidental in that it could have been redone. It's more than one step to say that the jets are cgi because the audio is added to. There is also a lot going on, for instance, the leading jet on the return pass seems to let go a missile at whatever had just sped away, and this is after the main"UFO" has dived into the water, all incidental stuff you can't see when the video is running.

[edit on 29-9-2009 by smurfy]


The video contains arguably CG elements, Its not worth arguing. The audio evidence is enough to debunk the legitimacy of this video. If it was as amateur as it presents itself to be, it wouldn't have overdubbed audio. The fact that someone went so far to create and sync a sound effect says that the video obviously wasn't impressive enough so the audio needed to be souped up.

If the helicopter was recorded with the same mic used to record the jet roar, you would hear much more low end when it comes close. Also it would be in STEREO (like the jets) not mono. The mixed audio realms in this video are a dead giveaway that the sound atmosphere has been altered. if the sound is altered why not the video.

I'm sorry but I am 100% sure the jet sound was recorded with a different microphone.

But what do I know, I'm just an audio engineer.
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