Apollyon, The bottomless pit and the Large Hadron collider

quote]Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by chiron613
First of all, the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) isn't going to make anything that the Universe itself doesn't make. The idea that the LHC will somehow cause the end of the world is nothing more than fear of technology.

Well put. For those who might have missed the facts, cosmic rays coming to Earth often carry energy many times that which is to be produced at LHC. This means that whatever particles are to be studied at LHC are already produced in some quantities in the atmosphere and the rocks, but of course due to scarcity and unpredictable location aren't amenable to study in nature.

To the OP author: as others noted, you got picture of the LHC wrong on page one. You seem to have focused on the very old machine, the PS.

The town of Saint-Genis visible in your other pic is where I like to buy fresh bread

I was down in the LHC cavern earlier this year and it's really impressive. Looking to data taking in a few weeks!

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This is true but the *HIGGS BOSON* IS NOT A NATURAL OCCURING PARTICAL IN OR AROUND EARTH THEY ARE TRYING TO PRODUCE THIS very very very UNSAFE PARTICAL THAT MY DO MORE THEN EXPECTED and we deserve it for trying to do WHAT IT IS THAT GOD DOES.









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Originally posted by Selahobed
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Yes but these cosmic rays are produced in natural conditions, the stuff produced there are not.

Explain why.

Second line.

reply to post by Selahobed


i realize that but you're saying he's a being in one breath and an actual star that collapses into a black hole, in the other. pick one. the issue is that he owns the gate and worm hole, not that he IS the gate and the wormhole. it doesn't mean it's an actual star. now if you were to make that case that all fallen angels in biblical texts are just references to collapsed stars that have turned into wormholes or black holes, that'd be one thing. but i'm gonna suggest that you remain consistent on interpreting the symbols, otherwise, you could end up translating a symbol to be one thing one minute, another thing another minute, another thing another minute, till the whole thing takes on a very make it up as you go along flavor.

Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
quote]Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by chiron613
First of all, the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) isn't going to make anything that the Universe itself doesn't make. The idea that the LHC will somehow cause the end of the world is nothing more than fear of technology.

Well put. For those who might have missed the facts, cosmic rays coming to Earth often carry energy many times that which is to be produced at LHC. This means that whatever particles are to be studied at LHC are already produced in some quantities in the atmosphere and the rocks, but of course due to scarcity and unpredictable location aren't amenable to study in nature.

To the OP author: as others noted, you got picture of the LHC wrong on page one. You seem to have focused on the very old machine, the PS.

The town of Saint-Genis visible in your other pic is where I like to buy fresh bread

I was down in the LHC cavern earlier this year and it's really impressive. Looking to data taking in a few weeks!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is true but the *HIGGS BOSON* IS NOT A NATURAL OCCURING PARTICAL IN OR AROUND EARTH THEY ARE TRYING TO PRODUCE THIS very very very UNSAFE PARTICAL THAT MY DO MORE THEN EXPECTED and we deserve it for trying to do WHAT IT IS THAT GOD DOES.









EXCUSE THE MULTIPOST

[edit on 9/30/09 by Ophiuchus 13]

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13


a) stop double posting, it sucks
b) learn to spell at least the words which are relevant to the thread
c) Higgs is just as natural as any other other particle

reply to post by buddhasystem


Well for a start the whole process is artificial by definition. And they are trying to repoduce the environment for these interactions artificially in a confined space. The universe is slightly bigger!

reply to post by buddhasystem


Remember that the Higgs is THEORETICAL so maybe doesnt even exist!

Originally posted by Selahobed
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Well for a start the whole process is artificial by definition. And they are trying to repoduce the environment for these interactions artificially in a confined space. The universe is slightly bigger!

The Universe being bigger that the LHC experimental halls has no bearing on physics. Water in you glass has same properties it has in the well. Sodium produces identical spectra in the flame of a candle and in halos around stars.

reply to post by undo


No im not, what im saying is that he has a key to open a door. The scripture is multi dimensional talking about future events using symbology that overlaps;
A star: Angel, Falls: deserts/rebels, has a key: is the key, opens a door: using the knowledge he has to do that so in effect becomes the key and the door. The door to the bottomless pit. The collapse is related to falling that opens the door, so the collapse is also the key.
The Semitc mind that was the scribe to this is differnt in terms of thought process, and combines together the symbology and the events in an overlapping way.

Originally posted by Selahobed
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Remember that the Higgs is THEORETICAL so maybe doesnt even exist!

True, and so there is even less grounds for hysteria.

reply to post by Selahobed


What about the Bible/ Scripture and its subsequent 'prophecies'? Or better yet, your interpretation of these "prophecies?" At least the higgs boson and the collider have thousands upon thousands of scientists in support of their theory...

What you got? haha..j/k...im not trying to hate on your beliefs..just trying tio remind you to look at your own ideas in the same light...

reply to post by buddhasystem


But we are not trying to smash the crap out of the atoms. What you are describing is a chemical reaction. This no chemical reaction, it is trying to break something that is held together by one of the universes strongest forces. Its totally different.
These interaction do occur naturally, however the energies produced by these interactions are not not confined, but are released into the cosmos which can better absorb these energies because its its size.

reply to post by open_eyeballs


3 and a half billion of us, quite a lot are scientists who voice their concerns too

reply to post by buddhasystem


Its not the Theoritical we are worried about.

Originally posted by Selahobed
These interaction do occur naturally, however the energies produced by these interactions are not not confined, but are released into the cosmos which can better absorb these energies because its its size.

This is false. The energy produced in any individual interaction of protons at the LHC is very large by nuclear scale, but still very small in the scale of macroscopic world we live in. Most of the energy of secondary particles is absorbed in the detector itself, not even leading to a significant increase in its temperature.

reply to post by Selahobed


3 1/2 billion what? christians? haha...negaitve...somewhere near 1.5 billion christians, and not all of them agree on even some of the basic principalities of Christianity!

how many sects, denominations, non denomination, gnostics, orthodox (traditionals) and new age christians are there?

in reality they are all proselytes/ noahalites anyway with an extra belief!

how many with different views on chrisianity? probably 1.5 billion...

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by Selahobed
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Remember that the Higgs is THEORETICAL so maybe doesnt even exist!

True, and so there is even less grounds for hysteria.

So what happens if they find something else instead of the HIGGS , AND IT IS NOT A NATURAL OCCURING PARTICAL.

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13


if you'd consider what i'm saying for a moment....the reason they aren't worried about it is possibly because they already know what it does and doesn't do. we don't actually get to know at the public level, about anything truly dangerous, unless it's already been tested first without the approval of the public. ya know? makes sense doesn't it?

Hi Selahobed--

Yes, yes, I am very much a 'Preterist' [from the Latin word 'praeter' meaning 'already' [i.e. already happened]--

So, for those on this thread that do not know, a 'Preterist' therefore is a person who believes that the oracles and prophecies contained in the Apocalypse of Yohanon the Levite (whoever he was) aka the Book of Reveleation which was written during the 1st Failed Jewish Revolt against Rome (66E to 72CE) can ONLY be fully understood in terms of that great War against Rome, which cost nearly 1 million Judaean lives, at least according to Josephus, who was an eyewitness (in fact he fought as a galilean general against the Romans before he turned his tail and ran to the 'other side').

The language of the Book of Revelation is priestly (2nd temple) and was written by someone intimately acquainted with temple liturgy: practically every single oracle found in the 'book of revelation' is taken /quoted from verses found in the old testament (especially the Plagues in Exodus and all the End of Days wording found in books such as I Henoch, the Sybilline Oracles, The Book of the Prophet Joel, The prophet Zechariah esp the 4 horses in chapter 4, and the Apocalyptic passages in Deutero Zechariah i.e.chapters 9 to 12, along with proto (chapter 1-39) and trito (chapters 56-66) Isaiah, the book of 'Malachi', the Scroll of the Book of the prophet Daniel (in Theodotion's translation) the book of the prophet Hezekiel (e.g. the Feast of the Birds in chapter 39 and the Temple descriptions in chapters 40-44), the Jeremiad oracles, the Tamid Daily Psalm Hymns sung weekly in the 2nd 'Herodian' Temple (e.g. =Psalms 24, 48, 82, 94, 81, 93, 92), along with the Apocrypha and the Pseudipigraphic writings and follows closely much of the wording of the Dead Sea Scroll versions of the texts it quotes (and if it quotes Greek OT LXX, it uses the version of Theodotion alot for some reason, not the usual LXX Greek text, hmmmm...) and the impossibly bad greek of the text ('full of grammatical Howlers') shows that it originally circulated in some form in Hebrew and Aramaic oracles arranged in 24 line stanzas, probably in mixed form like the book of Daniel (for the 'Apocalypse' of Yohanon (from the Greek 'Apo' = "remove" and Gr. 'kalups' = "veil" = therefore meaning: 'Removal of the Veil') only 3 major MSS are represented, which makes it one of the least 'attested' books in the bible, and hard to determine an exact text (as we see with 666 v. the earlier 616, which almost certainly is either NRO QSR (616) or NRON QSR (666) i.e. Nero Caesar etc.).

Most of the temple references seem to indicate that the first half of the book beginning in chapter 4 was compiled in the year 69AD when the temple was occupied by the Kittim (i.e. Romans) but not yet burned to the ground: the book would therefore be an Exhortation to all the Sons of Light in the Last Days to stand firm and wait for Messianic Deliverance of some sort, followed by 1000 generations of re-capturing of Eretz Yisro'el and the expulsion of the gentiles in preparation of a period of Jewish World Rule..

It also seems clear that this book has more than 75 sentences added to it that break up the poetical sequences of alot of the oracles--eg. prhases like 'and of the Lamb' clearly were added to the text in many places to make room of 'Iesous' and the many other purely Christian sentences in this book that were added to an originally Jewish apocalypse show that the book was written in stages or layers-- perhaps the 'rough draft' of this book was written before the time of R. Yehoshua bar Yosef when in BCE 63 the Roman army took control of Judaea--which caused the next 100 years to be filled with armed rebellions both small and large until the big one in AD 66.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Ophiuchus 13

 

we don't actually get to know at the public level, about anything truly dangerous, unless it's already been tested first without the approval of the public. ya know? makes sense doesn't it?

Some spirits can see what they are doing w/o them letting the SHEEPLES KNOW makes more sense that GOD WOULD PLACE THESE SPIRITS DOWN HERE TO WATCH YOUR TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCES as he sent the WATCHERS TO WATCH YOUR EARLY DEVELOPMENT. I am not arguing with you but there are many who exist who dont need data unfairly distributed to the general public TO MAKE VITAL DECISIONS FOR YOUR SPIRITUAL EXISTANCE.