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I don't get how a smack on the @$$ will scramble their brains. But then again, i'm not a government funded scientist.
Originally posted by amazed
Awesome, thanks for posting this. :-) I don't spank, and my children are very intelligent (top scores in the state) and they are also very well behaved.
In reading this thread, I've noticed posters equating "discipline" with "spanking", seems they do not understand that discipline does not equate spanking. That discipline can take many forms which work far better than becoming violent towards your child. And yesss, hitting someone ie spanking is violence.
I discipline my children when they need it, without resorting to the violence of spanking.
So, some of you think inflicting pain increases intelligence? ROFL It causes stress, which causes lower IQ, which is proven in other studies. Stress also causes illness, which is proven, stress also causes anxiety and other mental disorders.
Originally posted by mrmonsoon
reply to post by tothetenthpower
Ok, lets get a few examples..............
What if your child..........
1) set an animal/pet on fire on purpose?
2) tortured a pet?
3) tortured another child?
4) killed a pet on purpose?
5) tried to kill another person child or adult?
6) burned down someone's house on purpose?
I am in no way suggesting your child/children have done these things, I am asking what you might do in reaction to these kinds of events?
These are just a few examples off the top of my head.
Those are all examples of a person who has a mental illness, so if someone has an illness, we should punish them? I suggest THERAPY really quickly and possibly if necessary some form of medication, though I hate the idea of medicating children.
FreeSpeaker, I've spoken of this before, both my children were taught in a loving and THOUGHTFUL manner to not touch the stove. Neither had to get burned to learn the dangers of fire, and neither had to be spanked to learn the dangers of fire. How? When my first child was tiny, she kept reaching for the stove one night while I was trying to cook. I kept telling her "no owie", she kept reaching. I picked her up and let her look at the burner while I put a tiny piece of paper on it. Of course the paper burned. I said OWIE NO TOUCH. She never touched, she learned by watching that tiny piece of paper burn.
It is called thinking and using your brain to come up with ways to teach and discipline children without resorting to violence.
I also find it interesting, that in many cases, those who advocate violence towards their children, are also violent towards other adults. As seen in this thread and the meanness obviously within some of the posts towards those who do no believe in violence towards their children.
TarzanBeta, if war was caused by NOT slapping your child, then we should have zero wars in this world, as all over people are still violent towards their children.
violence...... begets violence. Teach children that the way to handle a situation is to resort to hitting someone ie becoming violent, then they learn that when they have problems in life, the way to deal with those problems is to resort to violence.
As a parent you don't "force" your children to become productive adults, you TEACH them.
I would also like to see a study on the IQ of parents who do choose to spank their children. I would bet that parents who spank their children, also have a lower IQ than those parents who do not spank.
Here is a tidbit of information for you guys. Serial killers have been studied for a long time now. In every situation, the finding show that they were spanked and abused as children. If spanking created "perfect" adults, we would not have serial killers. Childhood abuse may not be the sole excuse for serial killers, but it is an undeniable factor in many of their backgrounds.
Parents who abuse their children, physically as well as psychologically, instill in them an almost instinctive reliance upon violence as a first resort to any challenge.
Chew on that.
Harm NONE WHATSOEVER
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by TarzanBeta
Funny how other animals don't spank their kids though huh?
Interesting little thought people don't think about. I guess the other animals know a secret we don't.
Originally posted by Veritas Lux Mea
Originally posted by djvexd
In the past 10 years+ we have seen a balooning of kids with little or no respect, common sense, or down right anger towards grownups. Why? It seems to coincide with this push to stop correcting kids. I don't advocate walloping kids however I don;t advocate letting kids run rampant either.
Yes, but there are other HIGHLY EFFECTIVE ways of getting your point across.
I think it all boils down to how much a parent wants to LEARN. The ones who hit their kids mostly haven't taken the time to learn and impliment better strategies, I think..
When I was getting into trouble, I BEGGED my dad to spank me instead of ground me or talk with me about it. Why? Because the pain of spanking stopped after 2-3 minutes (and didn't leave an impression on me).. but grounding me and making me APOLOGIZE for my wrongdoing was worse because it actually required more effort on my part.
Spanking is the easy way out.. its benifits (if any) are ONLY short-term and only causes MORE problems in the long run..
Originally posted by Ahabstar
Actually I can see where this might actually be true. Minor blunt force trauma to the head can lower IQ points and if a child is receiving a spanking it is usually a result of a child's head being somewhere up their rear, ergo....