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Originally posted by Unsane
It is actually more probable that a Creator God does not exist, rather than the universe popping into existence - fact.
You talk of logic, but you then hypocritically argue with faulty logic of your own all the while not pointing to a single thing that screams of being created by god.
If god created the universe, then what created god? If god always existed, then why can't the universe have always had existed as well?
Originally posted by TarzanBeta
Originally posted by jd140
Originally posted by TarzanBeta
reply to post by jd140
There's plenty of proof for the existence of God.
You're just lazy.
I would say blind, but you have this amazing ability to read.
Please provide your irrefutable proof for me.
Still on with the laziness!! Gotta have others point it out to ya.
Give it a rest and stop lying to yourself.
Anyone who is intelligent enough to know that you cannot disprove God should be intelligent enough to realize that there IS A GOD!
What is it with people on ATS suffering from the inability to compute logic lately? I've been reading for years and years and I think the group mindset has gotten a little dimmer... that's sad, considering I'm only 25.
But if LOGIC ain't enough fer'ye, then why don't you try developing a machine that can create a VOID (you DO know what a "void" is, right...?) and then have that same machine programmed ITSELF to program ENERGY into this VOID using NO external energy or materials. As if that didn't cause enough of an overload, why don't you try having it to add chaos to the ensuing order which was about to unfold!
Or we could just assume that it was all a fluke of...what? What else could have happened...?
Oh.. Wait... NOTHING. Nothing is the ONLY OTHER OPTION FROM EXISTENCE.
This thread was doomed from the get-go.
That is a complex solution to a simple problem. If the universe is god and god is some infinite all powerful all knowing entity, then where does that leave life or the laws of physics or how such an all powerful all knowing entity could develop to become discreet properties.
I mean, let's play with the concept even further, if god is the universe, then why such a dislike for the theory of evolution? If god is the universe and evolution is of the universal laws as they exist withing god being the universe, then evolution should have no problems.
How does a complex entity exist for an infinite period of time and one day out of infinite days decide to create us? Why not wait a few hundred more quadrillion years? Why couldn't he have done it 100 trillion years ago? Why 13 billion or 6,000 years (depending on your belief) ago, what's so special about then compared to any other point in an infinite period of time?
This is not a religios thread so don't make it one, I never said that evolution is not possible but you got things mixed up. Stuff in the universe keeps evolving while laws are there as they were before. Evolution is possible with a probable cause. It was ment to evolve here, and here we are. The dislike of evolution is a religios matter, we are debating on a scientific view rather than a religios one in this thread.
The "evolution is all and god does not exist" fails when things like this come in to view. Things that do not have shapes, legs and so on.
Here is one big question for you, why don't atoms evolve?
It's hard to deal with thoughts, logic, laws and then say god does not exist.
1 Time is relative, time can stop, and time can be eliminated , as in a buble that is outside time and space.
2 If the entity represents time it's self, and it's all as in it is the universe then it;s understandable.
I in no way picture god like this old guy with white hair and red eyes.
I picture is as a force present everywhere, as an entity rather than an old guy, religion is just an opinion, a transcript of how people see this entity.
I don't base my values of thinking that there is a god on religion.
Whoa, back up there lil' fella, I replied to your idea that god was the universe.
Because there is no law of physics that allows for an atom to change form, simple as that unless you can show such a law that allows for that process. Your arguing why doesn't a turtle turn into a monkey.
Not so, thoughts are born in the mind, the mind exists in the brain. We have no evidence indicating otherwise.
There is no such thing as time in the sense that we consider time to exist.
Originally posted by sirnex
reply to post by pepsi78
Let's look at a random number generator. There is no such thing as a random number generator. What a random number generator does is follow a specific algorithm that leads one to be unable to predict with any accuracy the outcome of the numbers generated. Yet, because it is following that specific rigid set of instructions, it isn't truly random in any sense.
It has nothing to do with religion.
Funny you have to bring this up because everything is made up of atoms.
So it's the same atoms only rearanged, so at a microscopic level where atoms can be seen is evolution is at point 0?
Since animals are made out of atoms then everything is just the same, and evolution is just a visual carnival because in esence deep down under the microscope it's all the same. So where is evolution?
Here is one big question for you, why don't atoms evolve?
Thoughts are part of the other world, the non phisical world, tell me do thoughts exist? How are they shaped? Can you describe them to me?
Since they help acomplish tasks and generate great ideas they must be real. How do you see in your mind without an eye? Just close your eyes and you can see your thoughts, incredible isn't it? And this is not some hocus pocus stuff that I'm bringing up.
From a logical point of view.
So how do you see your thoughts, since your brain does not have an internal eye, everything visual must have an eye to capture the events.
So you must have an internal eye that is focused on the brain cells reading your thoughts so you can see them in your brain.
Or another logical view is that it's part of the real stuff that is not part of the phisical world.
As long as I'm aware the brain is just a big computer, simply put the brain can't generate images in your head, that is the mind, your mind is part of you but it's not part of this world, but hey it's real.
As I stated, I AM NOT quite done with my incarnations as of yet,so I still have ways to go.But there are many out there,who obviously have even more ways to go.the question is,will those others catch up to me by learning hteir lessons faster in the next lives,which would mean me not beoing able to learn modesty.Because one may need several incarnations to fully master a lesson- modesty being one of them.
Originally posted by WickettheRabbit
reply to post by Valeri
You are not the next phase of human evolution. I'm sorry to burst your bubble. One of the foundations for the the next phase would have to be modesty, which you appear to not have.
Originally posted by Lasheic
What the hell is this even supposed to mean anyhow? Evolution affects populations, not individuals. Perhaps you mean "the next step in human Lamarckism"? I don't know, and I don't care how you accomplish your ego stroking. But please don't bring evolution into it. There's enough silly misconceptions as it is without more contributions, however minute.
No, I can't personally describe the processes involved that lead one to form a thought or idea, then again neither can the most intelligent neuro-scientist. We just don't know that much about the brain and how it works as of yet. Any answer that involves lack of knowledge of a process is not a logical answer. You can't argue I don't know so x = y because I wish it so.
Now your simply disregarding that the brain has a central area for processing visual data, both external and internal all the while trying to attribute this process as not occurring within the brain and yet not showing how this process can occur outside the brain. Your either arguing with lack of understanding, or you just simply don't understand what your arguing.
Brain cells are not capabile of projection of images and so on, you got eyes for that on a phisical level, you can't state that with some magical force all the brain cells emanate some magic powder that helps you project images in your head. The truth is that brain cells only help proccess information exchange and that is about it, image projection in your head is done by your mind, your mind is not phisical, I can't help noticing you refuse to notice that above anything else you are an entity.
Brain cells are not capabile of projection of images and so on, you got eyes for that on a phisical level
It can't explain how the brain pojects stuff, or better put your mind. There is no such thing, proccessing visual data in to information does not project pictures in to your head, you need visual sight for that. A computer can't do that without a camera, a human can. It's simply beyond our understanding. Things that do not exist as shapes makes sence, ever herd of that?
Show me where it says that the part of the brain that you speak of can project images and that it's not only information, information as in 010201210102012021 because that is information.
Data of colors, red, blue for example is only data, in other words red is red as you see it only when your eyes see it. It's why projection is special, it's connected to the mind and the mind is conected to the brain.
It's only logical since the brain is just a function, a computer.
Artificial inteligence is not alive because it does not have a mind.
It's hard for you to accept it, I know.
I can hear voices in my mind also, tho no one is speaking, it's like someone is, gray matter does not have eyes, and do not speak.
Link B your mind is the other source, the other eye, it's open and it feeds your brain. For every image there must be a source, an eye or else either you are dead or you have your eyes closed.
It's simple there are two words, a phisical one and another one that is not touchable with your hands. They are bolth real or else visual thoughts would not make sence.
AI technology is rapidly advances, even to the point where right now people are having difficulty in telling an AI apart from a human. What happens when it come's to the point where not even yourself will be able to tell the difference?
I don't think I'm the best person to help you out with that problem, nor do I think you should openly discuss this with anyone than your doctor or therapist if you have one.
So, the brains ability to store memories is in question with you then?
It sounds more like you have a lack of understanding in how the brain operates, processes information, stores memory and recalls memory.