Point Blank: Is there a God, why and why not?, page 1
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reply posted on 21-9-2009 @ 05:33 AM by hardamber
The existance of pure evil convinced me when I lived in a house where witch craft had been practised. I was a nominal christian at best then. I would wake up paralyzed in the night and eventually got to where I would "know" when the evil was present. It was so hateful it was terrifying. I have never been hated like that in my life. I told my pastor about my problems and he didn't believe a house could be possessed, so I was left on my own. It's a long story, but it all came to a head one evening when "it" manifested in my kitchen like a cloud at head level. It is so hard to explain how I knew it was there. I stopped what I was doing and pointed directly at it and commanded it in Jesus name to leave. Poof! It was gone. How can the name of Jesus have any authori8ty over something like that? The thing wasn't done with me. It came back twice and I had to deal with it each time.

Fast forward a couple years after that and my faith was growing deeper and richer. I was doing house hold chores and just having a pleasant time and opened myself up to loving God with my whole heart. I was CRAVING the presense of Jesus and it was like I wasn't in the room anymore....I was with him. I have never felt such love in my life. When I came back to myself, I felt brand spanking new. I walked around for weeks just loving everyone to the fullest and for the first time I was comfortable in my own skin. I instantly developed a dislike for christian radio and christian books. I felt like they were merely a replacement for a relationship with an awesome God. Scripture became absolutely alive and I became aware of so much pride in the christians in my life. at the same time, I had the Holy Spirit working on my attitude towards others when they fall short. The whole thing was so humbling and life giving to me.

I wish everyone could have this experience and I believe it is possible. I think back to the time before this happened and it was like I was not totally alive.

I just know that I know we were created and we are loved by our creator Father more than you can ever imagine and he has a purpose for everyone of us.



reply posted on 21-9-2009 @ 05:34 AM by ineverknew
reply to post by infinite



I love playing devil's advocate (and I'll do the same when someone says there is a God). So let me ask: just because the Bible states that God, or Yahweh, never mentioned dinosaurs, stars, ect., what makes the Bible the end-all be-all of religious texts? And who says that any of the current religions are right; maybe they're all wrong and God exists in some form that we have not theorized about yet.

And by the way, I agree that most organized religion is in it for the money.


reply posted on 21-9-2009 @ 05:38 AM by ineverknew
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I'll play Devil's Advocate:
Is it possible that you confronting the "evil" in your house scared it away, instead of using the name Jesus. And you said you were "CRAVING" the presence of Jesus... maybe you filled the void with believing, instead of real devotion or evidence.


reply posted on 21-9-2009 @ 05:56 AM by infinite
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Buddhism, which is more a philosophy, is the only religion I respect - which could be plausible. If life is universal and the soul does exist, it makes logically sense for reincarnation. Which the Abrahamic religions do not mention (transported to our fate, heaven or hell)

The E.T paradox is interesting, what happens if mankind encounters a far superior civilization that has a different or no god. The existence of humanities religion will be called into question.

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reply posted on 21-9-2009 @ 06:07 AM by hardamber
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I do not get into disputes about what happened to me. I know what happened and leave it at that. I responded out of pure motives, thinking what I had to say would be helpful. All I know is nothing is the same for me anymore and I'm changed....a new person. If you are truly seeking something more out of life, you can speak to me privately.


reply posted on 21-9-2009 @ 06:12 AM by Saurus
reply to post by Unsane



I like your argument, except for one point.

I feel there is a logical flaw your argument in that you assumed that God had a beginning (spontaneously appeared). This brings in the concept of time, which must also have been created by God, thus making your argument cyclic, and logically unsound.


reply posted on 21-9-2009 @ 06:12 AM by pieman
Originally posted by infinite
Humans already have basic intelligence and technology to create life.


so why haven't they managed it?

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post by ineverknew



god can only be omnipresent or omnipotent if it is outside all known laws of the universe so if it exists it would be so far outside of our frame of reference that we couldn't even understand the nature of its existence.

you wouldn't know god, even if you looked right at it, so you'll never know. either you feel god exists or you don't. logic just gets in the way.



reply posted on 21-9-2009 @ 06:14 AM by Republican08


If you think you are for one second you are the God of 12th grade, well then.

This will humble you like it did me! 12th grades, been awhile but still...

Look at this . That dot right there, that is still in your mind is our sun.

And we expect aliens to find the miniscule life next to it on a planet! what a challenge!

And now at this, we think we are gods among men, we are peasents, among peasents, among the poor, and bow down to the homeless, which are we!

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reply posted on 21-9-2009 @ 06:18 AM by ineverknew
reply to post by Saurus



that would be mind-blowing. imagine coming in contact with an alien civilization and their holy books are verbatim the Bible or Koran!


reply posted on 21-9-2009 @ 06:28 AM by Unsane
reply to post by Saurus



Hmmmm, but there must have been nothing before God, right? The same way there was nothing before the universe.

It is still less likely that a more complex thing could exist without a creator. (god was not created, he just 'was'.)


reply posted on 21-9-2009 @ 06:39 AM by ineverknew
reply to post by Unsane



in regards to existing without being created, the same can be said about the universe; how could it be created from nothing, the same way the God couldn't have been created out of nothing, logically speaking.


reply posted on 21-9-2009 @ 06:40 AM by Saurus
reply to post by Unsane



Must there have been something first?
The universe is expanding into pre-existing space...

It seems to me an absolute certainty that we have an incomplete understanding of infinity/time/space.

I think to make an assumption with respect to God based on our flawed understanding of eternity automatically negates the logic of the argument.
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