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reply posted on 20-9-2009 @ 06:14 PM by nixie_nox
reply to post by newworld



Are you implying that the only effect we have on the environment is limited to city borders?


reply posted on 20-9-2009 @ 06:23 PM by newworld
Originally posted by nixie_nox
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post by newworld



Are you implying that the only effect we have on the environment is limited to city borders?


Not only city borders, but cities in general, forests, coastal areas, the ozone layer (some people mistake the hole in the ozone layer as something related to global warming. they are two different things), biodiversity of species, inland water supply contamination, and destruction of ocean life as a result of oil spills.

Those are areas that are affected directly by human endeavor, global warming is not.


reply posted on 20-9-2009 @ 06:52 PM by GenLo
reply to post by Elliot



Now that is something I have never heard of! Do you have a link for these supposed findings? Or, I guess I could google the whole thing.


reply posted on 20-9-2009 @ 06:59 PM by endisnighe
reply to post by john124





It's not news to me, in fact if it turns out to be mostly natural, then we may not be able to prevent climate change.


Aha. Caught you, you said climate change not climate warming.

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reply posted on 20-9-2009 @ 06:59 PM by GenLo
reply to post by the siren



And what of the heat trapped by the C02 in the atmosphere, is that not having an effect?


reply posted on 20-9-2009 @ 07:24 PM by nixie_nox
reply to post by newworld



How do you come about the decision that we can pollute the Earth but not cause global warming?



reply posted on 20-9-2009 @ 07:25 PM by nixie_nox
reply to post by endisnighe



Well considering that people have predicited global warming since the 60s and 70s, don't see how it is a replacement for terrorism which is a relatively new fear.


reply posted on 20-9-2009 @ 08:03 PM by newworld
Originally posted by nixie_nox
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post by newworld



How do you come about the decision that we can pollute the Earth but not cause global warming?


i come to the conclusion that global warming is not man-made because the data does not add up.
www.merchantcircle.com...

volcanoes contribute even more to than humans could in all of our existence to change of climate.

www.geocraft.com...

if you look at the chart above, you'll see that the vast majority of global warming (or climate change as it is called now) is caused by water vapor.

www.ncpa.org...

higher concentrations of greenhouse gases actually HELPED dinosaurs to remain alive. At least according to the above source.

now that i got this out of the way, I believe there is plenty of evidence to support that humans do have an effect on wildlife (the unnatural quick extinctions of animal species that occur each year), contamination of oceans due to oil spills (decrease of fish population), destruction of forests (simple pictures of the then-and-now of the Amazon easily proves this), or problems of contamination and smog that occurs in big cities.

In other words, humans DO affect the planet, but we do not have a big effect on the planet's climate.


reply posted on 20-9-2009 @ 08:50 PM by TheRedneck
I think I may have the (deserved if true) reputation as one of the more vehement Global warming deniers on this board. I am sure I'm in the top ten.

Now according to the OP, that insinuates that I care nothing about the environment. Allow me a few moments to explain how I live to you:

I live outside of any city or metropolitan area. My home is on the side of a small mountain. The nearest town is close, about 5 miles away, but it is so small it has only one general store and a couple small businesses. The nearest thing that could be called a 'city' is about ten miles in the other direction, and is pretty small itself. The largest employer is WalMart.

To get to anything like a metropolitan area you get to drive about 50-60 miles.

I presently control 90 acres of land here. It belonged to my father before me, and to his father before him. Only 10 acres is cleared and fairly level; the remainder is heavily wooded with virgin forest. These trees have stood for at least 100 years, perhaps longer, undisturbed by anyone except us. I have denied multiple requests to log commercially here, and have consistently refused any suggestion of developing the land beyond building our own homes here, cutting firewood for our own use, and fencing in a few areas.

We (my mother, myself, and my family) still grow a garden whenever we can. My present plans are to increase the garden size to a little over an acre, the extent of the plot we have available for it. That will produce enough vegetables for my entire family (and then some for the neighbors), enough tobacco plants for myself to have plenty of smokes each year, and the rest will be planted in corn. We don't eat a lot of corn, but chickens do.

I have a section of the mountain fenced in where we used to have goats. Goats are wonderful for keeping the brush at bay and snakes away. In the center of this pen, surrounded by a new herd of goats, I plan on building a chickenhouse to give us free meat and eggs. The manure from this chickenhouse will be mixed with the manure and compost from the rabbits we have to produce fertilizer for that garden. The goats will keep the snakes away, and a secondary tightly-woven fence should handle the coyotes, raccoons, possums, foxes, and weasels. The tree canopy should manage to keep the hawks and that new family of eagles at bay.

I have plans to build a geothermal heating/cooling system for our house, providing climate control for the cost of a simple series of fans during the summer, and that plus some hot water during the winter.

We have blackberry vines, grape vines, muscadine vines, mulberry trees, apple trees, pear trees, cherry trees, and a cornucopia of walnut, pecan, and water chestnut trees already here. I want to add strawberries and blueberries, perhaps some raspberries as well. It would also be nice if i could get this mulberry tree to start bearing.

Our water comes from a private well. Our sewer is a private septic tank. that septic tank is set up so as to be continually regenerating. Chances are it will never need to be cleaned out.

I am presently working on ways to produce my own electricity.

I am also looking into gasoline alternatives.

I burn almost all of my waste that is burnable, including brush from where the mountain tries to overtake my home each year. I have a small bonfire pit that I use for this. The ashes are mixed with the compost and manure to be used as more fertilizer.

I have plenty of wildlife here for meat as well. Squirrel and deer are abundant. Yes, I would shoot a deer for the meat. No, I wouldn't wipe them out. Thanks to my management over the last 20 years, we went from having only the occasional deer to several herds. That management included private hunting.

I do like a few of technology's benefits. I love to drink Mountain Dew. I buy it in cans and recycle them to help pay for more. The cans are cheaper than plastic bottles and I can recoup some of my cost. I can also use them for some projects around the house. Anyone familiar with making a cook stove from two cans? I still have a few of the two liter bottles from time to time. They get recycled for water bottles, funnels, containers for nuts or bolts, and a myriad of other uses.

I have used furniture that others were ready to throw out to make room for new. This is a very comfortable couch, and the coffee table in front of me was actually built by my father 40 years ago. When my appliances break down, my first thought is to fix them, not to buy new. The newest vehicle I own is a 1999 Saturn. I also have two pickups, both made in the 1980s. I again prefer to repair rather than replace whenever possible.

After working at a regular job, I have a to-do list of repairs and improvements that is literally astronomical. All I do is work to keep my lifestyle the way I want it. I have precious little time for play.

I should also mention that I am a devout Christian.

Now, explain to me how I am not 'green' enough. Explain to me how I am not doing my part to preserve our planet. Then tell me what you are doing to help keep our planet clean and natural. I don't want to hear about organizing others or about how loudly or how often you protest. That's just talk. Tell me what you do.

Then I'll explain to you how those very same people who have been screaming about Global Warming and carbon dioxide are the self-same reason why several of the things above included the phrase 'I plan to'. Their answer is to take from me via taxes, carbon credits, and regulations to prevent me from carrying out my plans, and they are apparently very good at it.

So tell me now, who is 'green' and who isn't?

TheRedneck


reply posted on 20-9-2009 @ 09:22 PM by mikerussellus
reply to post by GenLo



I honestly believe that it is arrogant to assume that we have that much control over the earth. We inhabit such a small portion of it, yet we claim such a large responsibility for it.

Read about fractuals. Read about the history. And I mean the history prior to humans.

"There are things far greater than heaven and earth"

-Bill Shakespeare. A good friend of mine.


reply posted on 20-9-2009 @ 09:59 PM by crimvelvet
reply to post by john124





We know carbon dioxide and methane are greenhouse gases, therefore precautionary measures are required whether you accept the evidence of man-made global warming, or not!


I vote we lower the CO2 levels to 150ppm or lower. See this article on why we need to reduce the levels to below 150ppm Planet Natural: Plant Science 101



reply posted on 21-9-2009 @ 12:28 AM by GenLo
reply to post by TheRedneck



That sounds like a nice place. Sorry you took it so personally, apparently I need to make it more obvious that those quotes are from personal events in my life, needless to say they didn't come from evironmentally concious christians so I am sorry that you feel stereotyped.

What do I do? Well I cannot say I do much. I life in the military barracks and share a bathroom with my neighbor. I cannot control how the water, electricity, or heat is distributed but I do try to lesson my own impact. I don't own a vehicle, I recycle what the base recycling plant accepts, I usually only use one light to illuminate my 15x15 bedroom/kitchen/study, I would try to buy things that are environmentally friendly but without a vehicle its a little difficult, and finally every once in a while I donate to charities or programs, however its generally not more than $100. Once I get out of the military I don't really plan to do much else since I will be studying to learn a new language and hopefully within 6 months head out to Japan to backpack cross country from Tokyo to Kyoto. Maybe when I have settled down in a place where I can do some of the same things you are doing I can mention them in my egotistical repertoire however if I ever mention it in an argument to show that I am better than someone I'll make sure that they aren't someone whose life span is less than 30 years. Not saying a 22 y/o is incapable of doing things similar or better but its generally uncommon.


reply posted on 21-9-2009 @ 12:38 AM by GenLo
reply to post by C0bzz



To me though, this whole "going green" thing is more than just about reducing emmisions, its about our farming and agriculture, and how we use resources on the planet. Again reform needs to be made regardless of whether or not global warming is occuring because I am 100% sure that if in another 100 years our population were to grow in the exponetial rate that it did in these past 100 years without a shift in conciousness or environment supportive technologies our species would not last because our Earth would not last.


reply posted on 21-9-2009 @ 12:42 AM by GenLo
reply to post by mikerussellus



I suggest you read about what the average american family consumes and then get back to me about how you think its arrogant. So far our world population could probably fit in the state of Texas if we all stood side by side but the yearly waste made by such a "small" population would far exceed the borders of Texas.


reply posted on 21-9-2009 @ 12:55 AM by C0bzz
Originally posted by GenLo
reply to
post by C0bzz



To me though, this whole "going green" thing is more than just about reducing emmisions, its about our farming and agriculture, and how we use resources on the planet. Again reform needs to be made regardless of whether or not global warming is occuring because I am 100% sure that if in another 100 years our population were to grow in the exponetial rate that it did in these past 100 years without a shift in conciousness or environment supportive technologies our species would not last because our Earth would not last.


You are absolutely correct. However, it seems that most environmental groups are more concerned about depopulating the planet, pushing useless forms of energy, and just plain whining about everything.

www.heartland.org...

www.american.com...

They also oppose one of the possibly greatest ways to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, Nuclear power, with half-truths or just plain ignorance.

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