Originally posted by GenLo
Great its another individual who lives in a shell. Listen deary, yes it is a natural cycle, I and the several scientists are aware of that, whats not natural is what the human impact has placed on the ecosystem since the industrial revolution!

Let me ask you a question, have you ever looked at the evidence or the variables involved!?

First off I am a guy... so that sexist deary thing is wasted on me. Also I do not live in a shell.

Second, mankind has been affecting the world around him since he was a chimp. All animals affect their environment some more than others. Beavers build dams and woodpeckers hollow out trees... Mankind builds civilization.
It has an impact but I doubt our impact can be greater then that of the Earth itself. She floods, she quakes, she brings a natural chaotic order that man kind has yet to match. Keep thinking Polar shift.

Third and last I have looked at the evidence and variables involved. Cows really do emit the most greenhouse gas per year.... Then again we could argue that this is mainly a result of factory farming. But I dont wanna go through the mud...Just to say I do not see humanity as so powerful that it should be put on a pedestal and held accountable for every natural calamity that is.

The earth heats up the earth cools down the cycle repeats and mammals continue to eat.

Hooray! Go Mammals!

I think Global Warming is a classic orchestration of problem, reaction, solution.

Problem - CO2 emissions, sea levels rise! We're doomed.

Reaction - Now we're scared. What do we do? I remember when the whole global warming was first being documented in the mainstream media not so long ago, they had images of large parts of Britain underwater. So after putting the fear of hell into us they offer the solution(s).

Solution - Reducing your 'Carbon footprint'. Wallah. And we all know all the methods they're introducing. One of them being home insulation 'upgrades' for example.

Now.

Having worked for Miller Pattison as a surveyor for cavity wall and loft insulation 'upgrades' I gradually picked up on the whole agenda behind this.
Cavity wall insulation is a clever idea to make money. And having worked in this field briefly and spoken to people who have this done, they have noticed little or no effect in energy bill savings which is the primary selling point along with reducing your alleged 'Carbon Footprint'. It's meant to save you money on your energy bills. People love to SAVE money. Really with cavity wall and loft insulation, you're spending money. Loft insulation is also expected to rise from the current 270mm RECOMMENDED standard! So, that keeps the global warming campaign making money for some time.

The Utility companies like N Power are being forced by the government to offer grants, or pay towards grants to insulate people's homes other wise they get fined 10% of their gross yearly profit. They need to show they're doing their part to reduce the 'Carbon Footprint'. Which is utter crap.

From the people I personally spoke to who had their cavity walls and their loft insulation 'upgraded' not ONE had noticed a big difference in their energy bills. I always got a 'so so' reaction.


I'm not saying there's no substance in the CO2 emission claim. Personally I think it's exaggerated and it's big business for the next 5-10 years from what I was told. Similar to 9/11. Problem, reaction, solution with a real agenda behind it and ultimately a great time for the few to cash in. It's business as usual to the abundant few.

Amazing. I can't say my opinion has not been changed. I must admit I never heard of the influence the sun had in that manor.

And if you don't look at the facts like real science does, then global warming in fact has turned into a religion.

You can't argue though that, just like the scientists offered up in opposition to the World Trade Center being an inside job, there are credentials on both sides. After looking at discussed evidence however, it is difficult not to see that those who have opposed the conspiracy are simply bought and paid for.

However, here we have a climate change with the effects being nearly fully documented. Do the coral reefs return and flourish, do species recover, are new species discovered or develop, does the giant squid go back into depths of the sea, or is this all simply not the impacts of man on the temperature of the planet but rather the impacts of man only on nature?

Originally posted by GenLo
Amazing. I can't say my opinion has not been changed. I must admit I never heard of the influence the sun had in that manor.

And if you don't look at the facts like real science does, then global warming in fact has turned into a religion.

You can't argue though that, just like the scientists offered up in opposition to the World Trade Center being an inside job, there are credentials on both sides. After looking at discussed evidence however, it is difficult not to see that those who have opposed the conspiracy are simply bought and paid for.

All I'm saying is that Co2 isn't the cause of global warming, rather global warming is the cause of Co2 hell even Al gore admits that in his fear mongering movie "Inconvenient truth" he says that there is a special relation between the change in co2 and the warming. In fact Co2 is good for the environment, and species they all thrive in them. Co2 is just H2O, O2 is good for us. So i have no clue as to where this Co2 is dangerous bs is coming from.

Now i'm not saying that we're not polluting our planet in a substantial way, we are, but we're not causing the globe to warm

All of this is fine and dandy while I prep for what is tauted to be the coldest winter in 10 years where I live. That after the coolest summer in recorded HISTORY for our area in Ohio. Yup, can't stand that global warming.

I'm sorry believers, but, unlike that of other conspiracies, I am not yet sold on this one.

Do we pollute? Yes. Is this good for the planet? No. Can we change this? Of course. Should we? Yes. But do we need to cripple our advancement and destroy what's left of the middle class in this world to do so? HELL NO!

Until we can see some real facts and then WITNESS THIS FIRST HAND (since I saw somewhere recently where conflicting stories of the arctic shelf were released within the same week, one stating it is shrinking to nothing and the next stating that it has grown, just pathetic...) I just don't see how the main stream population is going to buy into global warming.

One study says the oceans had their warmest summer on record yet they then come out and say that the reason we are going to have one of the coldest summers in a decade is due to the oceans being cooler.

WTF do we believe? You see, right now I see a TON of elitist rich jerks looking for yet another way to control and suck the lifes blood out of the people that can least afford it right now. To make those people more dependent upon the elitists.

Protect the environment but don't destroy the livlihood of millions just to soothe your psyche.