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Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by john124
It's not news to me, in fact if it turns out to be mostly natural, then we may not be able to prevent climate change.
Aha. Caught you, you said climate change not climate warming.
Originally posted by network dude
I have never seen global warming discussed with a religeous point. I don't think science and religion have met in the middle as of yet. But to make sure you understand what is happening, it a cycle. yes it did get warmer. Just as it did in the past. And guess what? I will make a prediction that I assure you will come true. It will get cooler again, and then one day, it will get warmer again. Does that mean we get a free pass to polute the earth? no. that would be stupid to think that. But some real dumb people are making global warming a political issue when it's not. It's just a cycle. A hint of where to look for evidence would be climatic charts over the past 100,000 years. If I gave them to you, it would seem biased. But if you find them on your own, you might actually believe them.
What do I do? Well I cannot say I do much.
The Three Gorges Dam built in China has displaced so much water it actually added a second to the Earth's rotation every year.
The project will also cause devastating environmental damage, increasing the risk of earthquakes and landslides. It will also threaten the riverþs wildlife. In addition to massive fish species, it will also affect endangered species, including the Yangtze dolphin, the Chinese Sturgeon, the Chinese Tiger, the Chinese Alligator, the Siberian Crane, and the Giant Panda. Moreover, silt trapped behind the dam will not only deprive downstream regions, but also will impede power generation from the back-up. Construction of the dam would require extensive logging in the area. Finally, the dam and the reservoir will destroy some of Chinaþs finest scenery and an important source of tourism revenue.
Yea, a human project that adds a second to the Earth's rotation. And we couldn't possibly effect the Earth.
Ocean City inlet, MD, is one of the most striking examples of the unintended consequences of engineered inlets causing increased erosion of adjacent barrier islands downdrift from the jettied inlet. The Ocean City inlet opened during a 1933 hurricane, and soon after, the twin stone jetties were built by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (USACE) to maintain the inlet for navigation. However, the jetties also severely disrupted littoral-inlet processes, trapped sand on the north side of Fenwick Island (site of the Ocean City amusement park and parking lot), and severely starved Assateague Island National Seashore to the south of sand. The result of almost 70 years of disrupted sand transport along the coast has been an offset in the two barrier islands—Fenwick and Assateague—by approximately 1 km, along with accelerated erosion, reduction and alteration in beach-berm heights, and loss of critical beach and dune habitats. The effects attributable to the jetties have extended about 15 km southward from the inlet.
If you ever visit beautiful Assateauge Island or National Seashore, at night you stand on the beach you see the blaring lights of OC which sit a km out into the ocean now because of erosion. It looks odd, considering they are supposed to be one 47 mile long island/peninsula till they get to Delaware.
Basically now the Mississippi, which worked fine on its own for who knows how long, is an artificially regulated river.
Levees were put in to control flooding, then they realized they needed the flooding, and more structures had to be created to control the flooding.
The mighty Mississippi is now controlled by humans.
In addition to the flooding problem, engineers now face problems caused by the lack of flooding. The channelization produced by the levees and control structures deprives natural wetlands of the sediments normally deposited during flooding. Wetlands rely on sediments from distributaries and flooding to counteract subsidence, the compaction of sediments under their own weight. Water flows faster in subsidized areas, and distributaries can rapidly expand into wide channels, causing wetlands to disappear under the influx of water. The coastal marshes of Louisiana provide a natural barrier against the erosion causes by the fierce storms which often come from the Gulf. Because of the loss of these wetlands, the Louisiana coast has receded several thousands of feet over the past few decades, and commercial fishermen have also been deprived of a ready source of income. Most of the problems resulting from the levee system, including wetland degradation, stem from channelization. While the levee system could not be scrapped without a large financial loss, the USACE realized that diversion structures could help alleviate some of the problems caused by channelization. Diversion structures diminish some of the force of flood waters and the likelihood of crevasses (breaks in the levee) by providing flood waters with established escape routes. The first diversion structure, the Bonnet Carre Spillway, was built in response to the great flood of 1927. It was designed to discharge excess flood waters into Lake Pontchartrain and thence into the Gulf of Mexico.
In the 1870s hunters managed to to kill 6 million buffalo, almost eradicating a species.
In ten years! With just guns.
buffaloes were so thick in western Kansas that an immense herd held up u Kansas Pacific train for nine hours while it crossed the track
By the way, all that prairie we hard about on Little House on the Prairie? And that all that buffalo ran across?
Only 1% of it remains.
That massive prairie ran from Texas through Canada.
There is a 17 mile ring around Chernobyl of land that can't even be touched by humans for 200 years. Animals died and stopped reproducing.
There are ten miles of the red forest of trees that dies shortly after the accident.
The radioactive fallout was found as far as Sweden.
I will leave you with the Great Sparrow campaign:
The campaign was initiated by Mao Zedong, the first President of the People's Republic of China. Sparrows were included on the list because they ate grain seeds, causing disruption to agriculture. It was decided that all the peasants in China should bang pots and pans and run around to make the sparrows fly away in fear. Sparrow nests were torn down, eggs were broken, and nestlings were killed. Initially, the campaign did improve the harvest. By April 1960 the National Academy of Science found that sparrows ate insects more than seeds. Mao declared "forget it" (Chinese: 算了; pinyin: suàn le), and ordered the end of the campaign against sparrows. By this time, however, it was too late. With no sparrows to eat them, locust populations ballooned, swarming the country and compounding the problems already caused by the Great Leap Forward and adverse weather conditions, leading to the Great Chinese Famine in which around 30 million people died of starvation
Once I get out of the military I don't really plan to do much else since I will be studying to learn a new language and hopefully within 6 months head out to Japan to backpack cross country from Tokyo to Kyoto.
Maybe when I have settled down in a place where I can do some of the same things you are doing I can mention them in my egotistical repertoire...
...however if I ever mention it in an argument to show that I am better than someone...
...I'll make sure that they aren't someone whose life span is less than 30 years. Not saying a 22 y/o is incapable of doing things similar or better but its generally uncommon.
Originally posted by Iseekthetruth!!!!!!!!
posted on 21-9-2009 @ 12:38 AM
Ah, our farming and agriculture, do you mean the genetically modified foods the the big agro farms are spewing out? It seems that a Lot of the smaller farms and farmers are being forced off their land so that the Big Agro Businesses can come in and grow foods I wouldn't want to feed my dead dog.
I guess we should be like China? One child per family? How do you propose we limit our population?
I agree that we need to do something about the waste and trash we produce, so what is your solution?
What is an Environmental Support Technology?