The Desperation and Dangers of the Far-Right Extreme Evangelical Sub-Culture

Originally posted by Angus123

You're not a christian? LOL!! I call BS on that one! Isn't lying one of the no-no listed on the magic rocks?

[edit on 17-9-2009 by Angus123]

Dude, since when is it okay to trash Christians like you do? It smacks of bigotry.

Has anyone else ever noticed that it's okay for people to speak so disrespectfully of the Christian faith, but they're too cowardly and "politically correct" to say these things to a Jew, Hindu, Buddist or a Muslim? Sure, you can talk smack about Jesus because people like you try to make it "cool" and "acceptable", but let's see you go off on Yahweh or Mohammed like that. Woooo, Allah help you, buddy. To act so enlightened but seemingly display such bigotry - which is one of those wonderful bi-products of ignorance and intolerance.

Oh, you know, I just realized something: Your reference to the "magic rocks" is, what I'm assuming, to be the Ten Commandments. Well, that's Jewish, so does that make you an Anti-Semite? Or do you just like to trash admonishments to show respect to your spouse, your neighbor and to life, to be truthful and content with what you DO have instead of what you DON'T have, and to not kill or steal? Wow. Those are horrible things, and anyone who believes in them or tries to live their life by them must be total idiots. Right?

I'm sorry for the rant, but I have just had my fill of attitudes like this. I'm so tired of the hypocrisy and anti-spiritual/religious zealots who cry intolerance, racism and bigotry every time you either challenge them or disagree with them, but when words and actions are objectively examined, it becomes clear that they are exactly what they accuse others of being. It's mindblowing that people can be like this can claim or act to be so illuminated with knowledge and understanding, yet they can't see their own display of the very same accusations.

Your right not to believe has been respected. You should be civilized enough to return it.

This thread has run its course...

*edited to add a few second thoughts.

[edit on 18-9-2009 by islandwillie]

[edit on 18-9-2009 by islandwillie]

reply to post by islandwillie


No I pretty much think faiths of all stripes are backward superstitions.
Jew, Muslim, Hindu... what have you.
They are all crutches for the weak minded... too afraid to face life knowing that they alone are responsible for their destiny.

But thanks for playing

Interesting to note all the same-ol' same-ol' coming into this thread patting the OP and each other on the back for such a good thread. Also interesting how some people can put 'birthers' into the same group as fundamentalists, and present such with a straight face. That's as bad as, if not worse than, saying that everyone that doesn't approve of Obama MUST be a republican, or a racist. You folks really need to paint your pictures with a more precise brush, really.

Chrono

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I can see how the FED is screwing things up, and how big government and spending screw things up. If we are spending borrowed money, the government is bound to fail big time when no one will loan us the money and they start printing it. So I am conservative with respect to fiscal matters.

I can't help it, but when I hear a politicians talk it comes out lies. Either party.

I think we have common ground if you can get past the fears.

I completely agree with your take on spending and think that its pretty much universal that people want their tax dollars to be used in the most efficient way possible.

The only thing I can say is that the 9/12 demonstrators could learn a few lessons from the anti-war/tax cut/environment protesters that have come before them and do a little self policing. Kick the obvious racists out, help the crazies moderate the messages to a point that they make sense, get a coherent message out there. because if you dont, you will be judged by the weakest of your coalition.

[edit on 18-9-2009 by candide]

Originally posted by candide

I can see how the FED is screwing things up, and how big government and spending screw things up. If we are spending borrowed money, the government is bound to fail big time when no one will loan us the money and they start printing it. So I am conservative with respect to fiscal matters.

I can't help it, but when I hear a politicians talk it comes out lies. Either party.

I think we have common ground if you can get past the fears.

I completely agree with your take on spending and think that its pretty much universal that people want their tax dollars to be used in the most efficient way possible.

The only thing I can say is that the 9/12 demonstrators could learn a few lessons from the anti-war/tax cut/environment protesters that have come before them and do a little self policing. Kick the obvious racists out, help the crazies moderate the messages to a point that they make sense, get a coherent message out there. because if you don't, you will be judged by the weakest of your coalition.

[edit on 18-9-2009 by candide]

I suppose the same could be said of the globalization protesters that start smashing windows. The trouble is how does the group exclude such individuals from participating? I accept that these few do not represent the whole. Now I didn't notice a lot masks hiding identities at the tea protests as opposed to the conventions. The masks showed intent of causing some property damage. What are you going to do? Curtail someones free speech?

There is a town hall meeting this weekend I might attend. I might wear a dust mask and see what happens. I'll tell them I'm afraid of H1N1.

[edit on 18-9-2009 by A52FWY]

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by candide

 

The big difference is that conservatives are much more organized via churches

That is just not true, you don't think liberals go to CHURCH?

Brother ain't you never been to no black church?

Are you somehow assuming black folks are liberals?

I thought this didn't have anything to do with race?

I don't know which one scares me more, the far right or the far left. They both have a history of being anti-mankind. Nothing wrong with looking into what the far right is doing, but what is the far left doing while you are doing that.

Take either one of the two extremes, the far right or the far left, imagine the other being eliminated. Now because the other has been eliminated, do you think mankind's problems are over? Many do believe so.

Or by the same measure you can do this with Republicans vs Democrats. Imagine one being totally eliminated. Would America's problems be over with one of these eliminated? There are those who do.

I believe these two extremes are evil and rotten to the core. If you can imagine such a thing as evil incarnate, do you honestly think it would infiltrate only one side of the ledger and leave the other pure?

As a highly compensated employee of a global company, I have to say I am very proud that there are Americans that are really pissed about the global trade policies that have evolved in the last 30 years. And while I definitely dont agree with vandalizing property or menacing bystanders, you have to say, the protests are very focused and singular in their message.

On the other hand, while I am very much behind the people that protested on 9/12 because of libertarian views. The many people that were blatantly raciest on the other hand should be taken out to the woodshed for polluting the message. Beyond that, there is the whole astroturf thing going on. Big insurance money has turned into busses and organization help for protesters.

Its a miracle of modern marketing that anyone at all is protesting against reform of an industry that is so inexcusably expensive and immoral.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by candide

 

The big difference is that conservatives are much more organized via churches

That is just not true, you don't think liberals go to CHURCH?

Brother ain't you never been to no black church?

Are you somehow assuming black folks are liberals?

I thought this didn't have anything to do with race?

Assuming? Show me any kind of numbers that Black or Hispanic people are not majority and trending higher toward Democrat.

Also young people and people living in wealthy states are majority Dem.

Retirees as well as the southern and midwestern poor are the Republican base.

Whats your point?

The fundamentalist Christians and the far left extremists are useful idiots for both parties they cater to the extremist elements and bilk them of their cash which in my view they deserve to be ripped off.

reply to post by dbates




if there was such a thing as an "antichrist", the pope would be my number one suspect:

-he can go to any country in the world
-he has a large amount of money at his disposal
-he has followers all over the world
-the pope drives the worlds worst genocide machine in the catholic religion. think of how many millions died during the inquisition, the dark ages, and who knows how many others we are not aware of yet.
-what man of god dresses in gold to talk to others about helping the needy?

my 2cents

-subfab

reply to post by Avenginggecko



A middle ground you say? I am not a GOPer. Neither am I a liberal. Your prediction for the for the GOP, are mine for the Democrate. Even more so with the ACORN flop and the resignation of the guy Obomber appointed for the green jobs.

reply to post by candide


You say, "The many people that were blatantly raciest on the other hand should be taken out to the woodshed for polluting the message."

This is the first I've heard of There being "raciest" at the 9-12 event. Haven't even heard The MSM bring it up. Could you be more specific or possibly give an example?

reply to post by candide


"The only thing I can say is that the 9/12 demonstrators could learn a few lessons from the anti-war/tax cut/environment protesters that have come before them and do a little self policing. Kick the obvious racists out, help the crazies moderate the messages to a point that they make sense"

Please give an example of this "Obvious racism" you speak of. This is the first I have heard of this.

reply to post by loam


Sorry to say this my friend but they have learned from the best when the Republican party reign was on.

For those of you who continue with the Straw Man arguments, just to be clear (again), when I refer to the fundamentalist/Anti-Obama/“birther” subculture, I'm NOT talking about people who are fundamentalists OR people who are "Anti-Obama", OR people who are birthers (OR Republicans OR conservatives OR Christians.) I'm talking about people who are ALL THREE.

I have no problem with fundamentalists as long as they leave me alone.
I have no problem with people who don't like Obama or his policies.
I have no problem with "birthers" who are questioning the legitimacy of the president based on the Constitutional requirements.

It's people like this who preach that God Hates Obama... They are fundamentalist, birther, Obamahaters. It's the people who hold their hatred for Obama like a religion and are bound and determined to oust him on the basis that God hates him and wants him out. It's the Westborough Baptist Church types whose focus is Obama instead of gays.

I can write it and explain it many times. Unfortunately, I can't force you to comprehend.

Originally posted by thomasc83
As usual, someone takes a peaceful movement such as Christianity and perverts it to gain control, power, etc.

Exactly. These extremists have hijacked the terms Christian and conservative as surely as terrorists have hijacked Islam.

Originally posted by TruthParadox
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

I agree with most of your post - extremists are a danger to America.
But I'm curios... Do you feel only the right wing extremists pose a problem?

New Thread Here

THANK you for this question! I was going to post about it today. I wanted to make another thread this morning about left-wing extremists, so I started thinking about it last night. Because I agree with you that it is the extremists that are the problem, regardless of their political and religious affiliations...

So, let's identify this left-wing subculture. I think most would agree that it would have something to do with Obama worship (real worship, not just support), socialism, maybe people to the left of Obama - who think Obama is too conservative? And maybe a religious element... ?? I know there are some children who sang songs about Obama when he was elected. I know there are people who back Obama no matter what he does. I don't know of a socialist organization pushing that agenda... My problem is identifying the cub-culture and I would love some help with it.

Who are they talking about killing?
Who do they hate?
To whom do they present a danger?
How do they display their desperation?
What is their propaganda?
How is it disseminated?
Who are their leaders/organizers?
Who are their propagandists?

These are the questions I think we need to answer to ID this desperate and dangerous left-wing cult. I need help with it, though.

New Thread Here

[edit on 18-9-2009 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by Angus123
reply to post by islandwillie

 

No I pretty much think faiths of all stripes are backward superstitions.
Jew, Muslim, Hindu... what have you.
They are all crutches for the weak minded... too afraid to face life knowing that they alone are responsible for their destiny.

Don't want to argue about technicality too much, but in many branches of Hinduism and Buddhism you are like so totally responsible for your karma

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


You don't need to apologized for those that doesn't want to see and to listen, you will be wasting your time.

I know exactly what you are talking about, like I said before I did a thread on Radical fundamentalist and let me tell you those are no only dangerous but outright worst than radical Muslim without the martyrs.

Their agenda is scary and growing and gaining ground every year, their view for the new America is going to make the middle east Sharia and Islamic laws look like a walk in the park.

Because their God is instructing them do its work.

Sadly since the Republicans embraced the Dixiecrats who bolted the Democratic party over civil rights and desegregation, it seems that they have also embraced all that is hateful, narrow minded, greedy and dark in the American psyche and have remarketed it as light, patriotism, Godliness and true Americanism. In the process they have become profoundly corrupt morally.

I wish this were not the case. While I disagreed with most of what Goldwater, Buckley and even Nixon said or stood for there were things I agreed with and admired...I cannot say the same about a single Republican in (or out of) office today.

As for the Democrats they seem to have embraced incompetence as a party platform...consequently the moderates and liberals have bolted both parties and have become the real silent majority. There are no real leftists in the Democratic caucus and when push comes to shove there are no real conservatives left in the Republican base...just those who position themselves as such.

Still I prefer Democratic incompetence to Republican moral corruption.

I have said before I have no faith in the Democrats but I have less faith in the Republicans and it is true.

I had no faith that Obama was the real deal and I have not been pleasantly surprised but after 8 years of the corruption and deceit that was the cheney/bush minor administration it is at the very least a change but not the one I would have. I understand that all presidents become right center after awhile in office...even the most liberal ones... I had hoped that it would take longer with Obama, not quicker.

The only real reason I continue to take a stand for Obama is the rabid opposition to him. They claim their opposition to the man is not about him or his race but about his policies...perhaps...but generally speaking you do not see such incoherent hatred of an individual simply because of their politics...there has to be something more...something darker at work because the level of hatred the hard right expresses for Obama borders on the pathological.

As for the religious right all I can say about them is that the Jesus I know from the bible wouldn't have anything to do with them. They are a travesty. But then all funnymentalisms are travesties of the faiths they profess.