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The Desperation and Dangers of the Far-Right Extreme Evangelical Sub-Culture

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posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 08:25 AM
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reply to post by grover
 


I agree my friend, sometimes I wonder if the radical branch of Christian fundamentalist has become a cult on itself.

We have to be honest here, they are not many but they are the loudest and the boldest.




posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by grover
something darker at work because the level of hatred the hard right expresses for Obama borders on the pathological.


Quite right. Reminds me of the S. Caroline candidate in the governor race, who was joking with his fellow hunters that while there are now licenses to hunt wolves, alas, there is no license tags to shoot and kill Obama.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by grover
The only real reason I continue to take a stand for Obama is the rabid opposition to him. ... because the level of hatred the hard right expresses for Obama borders on the pathological.


As someone who is known (in my circle) to fiercely fight for the underdog, I can totally relate to this statement! I'm still going to give Obama a couple or 3 years to make a final judgment about whether or not my vote for him was the right decision, but I've got to agree that what some see as my "unwavering support" for the man is because of the rabid hatred, false accusations and unreasonable criticisms of him.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 08:33 AM
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At the very least...speaking specifically for myself...my opposition to bush minor was to his polices and not to him individually. I did not and do not hate him (or even cheney) rather I object vehemently to their policies and the damage I feel they have done to our country.

That the huge difference between (most) of the liberal opposition to bush minor and visceral hatred the hard right expresses for Obama.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 08:40 AM
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I am consistently amazed at the directions certain branches of protestant Christianity have taken over the past few decades...some embrace more of the old testament than they do the teachings of Jesus...keeping him as a figurehead but scuttling his most compassionate and non judgemental statements. But the one that really throws me for a loop is the gospel of prosperity. It is so far removed from "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven" or the injuncture to sell all that you own, give the money to the poor and follow me...that I am left breathless.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 09:46 AM
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It's people like this who preach that God Hates Obama... They are fundamentalist, birther, Obamahaters. It's the people who hold their hatred for Obama like a religion and are bound and determined to oust him on the basis that God hates him and wants him out. It's the Westborough Baptist Church types whose focus is Obama instead of gays.


Oh please.
Using a Phelps Churcher to try to make a point.:shk:

Lump 'birthers' in with them. From there, a short step to including Tea Partiers and any other group you want to disparage.

Sure they hate Obama. But then again, they hate everyone that isn't a member of their cult.



Originally posted by grover
The only real reason I continue to take a stand for Obama is the rabid opposition to him. ... because the level of hatred the hard right expresses for Obama borders on the pathological.


As someone who is known (in my circle) to fiercely fight for the underdog, I can totally relate to this statement! I'm still going to give Obama a couple or 3 years to make a final judgment about whether or not my vote for him was the right decision, but I've got to agree that what some see as my "unwavering support" for the man is because of the rabid hatred, false accusations and unreasonable criticisms of him.


While on the one hand that explains your support for Van Jones, et al, it doesn't explain why neither of you supported GWB because of the rabid hatred, false accusations and unreasonable criticisms of him.

At least be honest as to why you are so enamored with Obama.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 09:52 AM
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I had never heard of Van Jones until the blow up with that moron beck.

I have never been enamoured of any politician and as for hating bush minor I have said repeatedly both when he was in office and since that I did not hate him...his policies yes but the man, no.

You have to care about something in a person to hate them.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by Angus123
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No I pretty much think faiths of all stripes are backward superstitions.
Jew, Muslim, Hindu... what have you.
They are all crutches for the weak minded... too afraid to face life knowing that they alone are responsible for their destiny.


Don't want to argue about technicality too much, but in many branches of Hinduism and Buddhism you are like so totally responsible for your karma



No I understand what you're saying. I mean that in the context of not having the invisible sky daddy there for backup at all times. Rather than face life as their own master they pray for this pray for that, go running into the loving but non-existent arms of jeebuz/yawhew/vishnu/allah/flying spaghetti monster/who or whatever to make everything okay.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
Oh please.
Using a Phelps Churcher to try to make a point.


Are you denying that the subculture of which I and Frank Shaeffer speak exists? I can show you plenty of sources that prove their existence.

I used a Phelps Churcher as an example of the "God Hates Obama" sect. What better example? If you want to see YouTube videos, propaganda and dogma of the people I'm talking about there are PLENTY:

Associated Baptist Press Pastors praying for Obama's death...



"Are you praying for his death?" Colmes asked.

"Yes," Drake replied.

"So you're praying for the death of the president of the United States?"

"Yes."


FOX News



A Phoenix-area pastor has started to draw protesters to his congregation after he delivered a sermon titled, "Why I Hate Barack Obama," and told his parishioners that he prays for President Obama's death.


American Grand Jury



I am praying very hard for Judge Carter personally and professionally. With God’s help, he will do the right thing. There is no way BO should be allowed to stay in office until he DISPROVES these documents, which he can’t do.




Lump 'birthers' in with them. From there, a short step to including Tea Partiers and any other group you want to disparage.


Some birthers and tea partiers fit into this extremist group. I will not disparage them all just because you would like me, too. In fact, I support a return to the Constitution and I supported Ron Paul for a while. You know this. You're just on another rampage.



While on the one hand that explains your support for Van Jones,


Like grover, I had never heard of Van Jones until reading your thread about him. And in that thread, I said:


Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I have never heard of him before today. I can't make that judgment.


That's hardly "support". But if it makes sense in your head, have at it.


it doesn't explain why neither of you supported GWB because of the rabid hatred, false accusations and unreasonable criticisms of him.


I did support him after 9/11. My support only waned after I realized that he lied to the nation and started the war under false pretenses. At that point, the accusations weren't false and the criticisms were very reasonable.



At least be honest as to why you are so enamored with Obama.


I have always been honest about my views of Obama and the reasons I have those views. I have no idea what you're trying to imply... But your personal comments about grover and I are hardly on the topic of the thread.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 10:34 AM
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the Far-Right Extreme Evangelical Are in the same vane as the Muslim jihadist.

No they don't blow up things YET but they are just as fanatical. They are also twice as dangerous to the United States as any jihadist will ever be.

[edit on 18-9-2009 by angryamerican]



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by angryamerican
the Far-Right Extreme Evangelical Are in the same vane as the Muslim jihadist.

No they don't blow up things YET


Oh they do. Remember the Rudolph guy, the clinic and Olympic park?



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 10:46 AM
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Divide and conquer

Divide and conquer

Divide and conquer

We are all obsessed with cult acts.

We are all played as instruments.

The meme agents are working over-time to fracture peoples minds into only hating each other!

As we slip into cold uniform world order, we will not even be able to see our freedom, what little we have left, slip away. We will be too busy saying how stupid other people are.

It is WE who are STUPID. Like children arguing in a burning house.

Chaos and hate will fill our plates.

Over and out.

I mock the whole god damn empire.

[edit on 18-9-2009 by depth om]



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 12:33 PM
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I myself grew up in the Evangelical, Nazi, Conservative Christianism environment by a mother with less than two pennies worth of brain cells who endlessly searched for a church mentality that was just as devoid of thought as she is. She only grew in her hatred as ignorant church goers encouraged her bad behaviors only to talk about her in hushed circles, but still choosing to believe her constant stream of lies.

I lived eight years of Conservative Christian hell with no one to help until the very end where I left. Rush Limbaugh, Focus on the Family, Gospel Bill (I still remember that show somewhat fondly
) , the 700 Club, Davey and Goliath, etc. were my ONLY sources of social information, as well as a plethora of media that simply finds the spookiest music videos to illustrate how evil everything is.

I remember watching Quiet Riot's "We're Not Gonna Take It" video on a taped christian 'newsreel', and I was so controlled I actually believed that if you listened to the music, you would literally turn into a rocked out mutant that charges out the door in a Satanic display of parental disrespect (I was that bad off). They tell you to never watch exactly what they are making you watch, so you will never be exposed to what you are watching.

I remember listening to Rush as a kid and what he used to say is nothing really like how he talks now. Jerry Falwell is the archetype for all these commentators, and I am noticing the trend of his transformation into a 'dark general' for the anti-not-rich-at-birth establishmentarianists (what a mouthful!). Rush has been preaching a dialogue of Individual Freedom and a Consumption based society structure.

Individual Freedom essentially means that the rights of the individual leaders of a nation are more equal, than the people they are elected to represent, whilst everyone else either has to kill their way to the top, or simply accept cheap Chinese toxic trinkets as the establishment bleeds us dry and runs Western society into the ground.

All of this is connected and it leads to a massive mess, and we really can't clean up.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 12:40 PM
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I stand corrected. The Muslim extremist and the Far-Right should now be considered the same enemy.

Its pretty sad when our most dangerous enemy is those that we pay to lead us to greatness. We are paying for our destruction one tax dollar at a time.

They keep our eyes focused out to hide the tyranny with in



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 12:45 PM
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I am very taken with you post, how can somebody with obviously the views you have survive in that kind of environment with out going mad.

You are a true surviver.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 12:55 PM
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I have started a thread to Help Identify "The Desperate and Dangerous Far-LEFT Extreme Sub-Culture" in an attempt to explore the other extreme of this phenomenon. Your participation is appreciated.


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Wow! I agree with Marg. You are a true survivor! Thank you for elaborating on your experience.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 12:56 PM
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Foolish nonsense.

The so-called "Right" represents the status quo. These are the people whose families invented America in the first place.

Do you know nothing of the delibereate agitation of the 19th C "anarchists"? Well we called them "anarchists" because no one here had ever heard of "communist" in 1901 when President McKinley was assassinated by son of Polish immigrants Leon Czolgosz, a disciple of fellow immigrant the Lithuanian-Jewish "Red Emma" Goldman, the Queen Mum of anarchism.

Your ideology is a direct, lineal descendant of that anarchism which in Europe was better known as "Bolshevism".

In other words, you advocate an alien philosophy, one that has wrought untold deth and destruction in every land it has been forced upon.

More to the point, if the Anglo-Protestant culture is so inherenly offensive, Why did your grandfather come here? Was he brought here against his will or did he think it was a good source of food and easy cash?

Apprently, it had little to do with Liberty or the natural rights enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, Constitution or Bill of Rights.

After all, the same first amendment that allows you this site allows all of us the freedom to political speech, freedom to worship the Christian religion as we see fit and to associate or not associate with whomever we please.

No doubt you understand that latter right as you castigate and occassionally censure or ban those who disobey your house rules.

Why would you deny that Liberty to others????

Charity begins at home. So too does "setting the example".


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[edit on 18-9-2009 by joeofthemountain]



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 01:12 PM
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Nonsense.

America has never been about one ideology...the Federalist papers prove that.

And the founding fathers were all children of the enlightenment and the vast majority of the ideals the hard right and especially the religious right propounds are in direct opposition to those of the enlightenment.

The fundamental struggle in American ideology has specifically been one of communitarianism i.e.

• A theory or system of social organization based on small self-governing communities.

• an ideology that emphasizes the responsibility of the individual to the community and the social importance of the family unit. From my Mac's Oxford American Dictionary


Vs. individualism i.e.

• The habit or principle of being independent and self-reliant.

• self-centered feeling or conduct; egoism.
• a social theory favoring freedom of action for individuals over collective or state control. ditto source


Examples of this range from the communitarian ideal of the Puritans of New England to the rugged individualism of the old west.

The Jefferson ideal was communitarian...
The Jacksonian one was individualism.

European Anarchism had its roots in the gross inequity of the old world order coupled to those of the industrial age. Anarchism and Socialism took root here because of the gross inequities of the gilded age.

The liberalism that you try to tie so desperately to the Anarchists of Europe has its roots here on American soil. Read Mark Twain or William James or even Emerson. For that matter read Jefferson and Franklin.

Liberalism is as American as the right wing conservatism you try so hard to claim as the purely American ideology.

[edit on 18-9-2009 by grover]



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 02:00 PM
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I read your whole post thinking, Who in the heck is joeofthemountain talking to? At the end, I saw it was a reply to me! LOL I have no idea how you came to these conclusions about me, or what relevance they have to the subject in question, but thanks for sharing your opinion.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 02:42 PM
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What I am saying that if the purpose of posting on this subject matter was to communicate with those on the extreme right and promote a dialog that will make them think even the slightest bit about what they are doing, telling them that they don't think and essentially will never change isn't the way of going about it.

You are just fueling the fires of what they believe about "the left", and justifying their opinions.

If this dialog was to communicate to the closer to the center conservatives about what is wrong with the extreme right you may have a few conservatives (the ones that felt hijacked by Bush and Cheney) that agree, but they will wince because of the language and tone of the article and it while it may engage some, it will still raise others to the defense as they think about the times when vocal celebrity liberals clumped them in together when they said "Republicans" or "Christians" like they are dirty words.

The article may encourage some to think, some to post here and engage in dialog, and it will also provoke some to post swinging right.

The purpose of the original post to me remains unclear--not that it has to be. It feels like another dropping of the gauntlet in the left-right paradigm. It also feels tribal-ish.

I am certainly no friend to Bush (read past posts on him), and I think if they ever get around to convicting Cheney my hope is he will get the death penalty and I am not a death penalty supporter, so as to your question if I feel that the far left liberals "compare" to the Republicans I am a rather biased source.

I see that there is no equivalent of Anne Coulter or Michelle Malkin on the left, but while they do not flush as extreme as the right there is more anti-Christian, anti-Republican talk that is demeaning in general and gets to the point where this seed of rebellion makes me want to start arguing for the Republicans.

My point, I suppose, is that I don't find the article generally helpful in breaking down the differences and building us up as one nation. It just seemed...more of the same.



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