Congressman Yells 'You Lie' During Obama Speech

no respect at all,his actions should be punished as if he told him to F off,its the mantality of this guy that shows the level of respect he holds for PBO and i can bet he's not the only one that feels the same.

Originally posted by TheTruthShallFreeYou
Now BH, if I have to define deflection for you, this is going to be a long day.

You don't. Tell me where I deflected. I answered every single question you asked me.

For the sake of this thread, I will assume you are being honest about not knowing that you did deflect, and readdress the issue.

Not only am I being honest about not KNOWING I deflected, I deny that I deflected. Show me where I deflected.

The fact is, regardless of your feelings for the current President, that this has not been a bipartisan push. It started with Republicans whining, but progressed when the Dems refused to participate in a discussion that represented both sides.

I never made ANY claim that this was a "bipartisan push", whatever that means. I said that there were several good ideas Obama got from Republicans (he talked about them in his speech) and I hope they can all work together to get it done.

No wonder you got so uptight. You're reading all sorts of things into my posts that I didn't even say. Next time, try responding to what I SAY, not whatever fantasy you've got going on.

You also said:

Originally posted by TheTruthShallFreeYou
You say I should take the President at his word.

Now you say that he said last night he wanted everyone involved.

When I never said either of those. Either you have me confused with another poster or you are dreaming. Wake up and read what I say. Maybe you won't get so confused.

[edit on 10-9-2009 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by TheTruthShallFreeYou
reply to post by Jasperfox

 

So although once we "switch" to universal care, or care that insures everyone has some type of "insurance", every type of care will be "paid" for by the government, private insurance, etc.
That means that anyone who shows up at the hospital to get care, like the majority of illegals who are not covered do when they need care, this will be paid for by all of us. There may not be "coverage" of illegals, but with all of us, (should have put that in quotes too) paying for any care given.

Is this a difficult leap?

If the only care availible is always covered, then we will be covering illegals as well.

Unless this means that we get to ask immigration status at hospitals?

And then we deport said illegals?

I think not.

Ok, this has been said MULTIPLE TIMES.... ILLEGALS.... ARE already covered. Already, by other programs that are government run.

Paid for by our taxes. By taxes I pay, but get zero benefit from as my children are not covered.

Get your facts already.

reply to post by xmaddness

"I would rather the president worry about other things than spending every waking moment working on one bill, you know, things like national security and running two wars."

Or pretending to be a teacher or a doctor?

[edit on 10-9-2009 by Mailman]

I heard on the news this evning the Rep. Joe Wilson's opponent in the upcoming election raised $400,000 in political contributions since last night "you lie" statment.

When I think of what we were suppose to be getting from this administration...I would imagine this guy yelling out should be accepted?

Watching Nancy Pelosi during this speech, you can see she isnt listening to a word he is saying, his words are completely blocked out of her head...yet she claps. Biden is contorting his chin to appear majestic or somthing.. These people arent even serious about what they are supporting.

I think that alot of Sheeple chose to put their undying faith in what Obama had to say when he was running for president, and actually believed that he was telling the truth because he was the first black person to run for president, and we the people were looking for a change.....

Do you think we saw a change in the presidents race, as a chance for us to elect a president that wouldn't lie to us ? Maybe.


I guess just like a job interview, anyone can put on an awesome show, full of lies that they make believable about how hard/dedicated/talented they are. And when it comes to doing the job, the employers are usually stuck with a sub par worker that wasnt what they expected, but keep them anyways... Kinda like we are the interviewers and the candidates are the employees


[edit on 10-9-2009 by TheFaiThfulSkepTic]

Looks like congressman joe was in "townhall" mode. Funny though, how so many republicans won't do anything to curb illegal immigration since their big business pimps rely on the cheap labor to be able to afford to pay them off. Both parties make me more sick every day, they are ALL hypocrites.

[edit on 10-9-2009 by 27jd]

What's funny is Joe Wilson recieved around 500,00 dollars from the med and pharm companies to run for congress. I wonder if he has an agenda???

Rep. Wilson Outburst Leads Senate Dems to Close Loophole in Health Reform Bill

www.foxnews.com...

"The Congressional Research Service has indicated that indeed the bills that are before Congress would include illegal aliens," Wilson said. "And I think this is wrong.
House Republican Minority Leader John Boehner amplified the complaint that without proof of citizenship, illegal immigrants could be insured.

"There were two opportunities for House Democrats to make clear that illegal immigrants wouldn't be covered by putting in requirements to show citizenships," he said. "Both of those amendments were, in fact, rejected."

In the Senate, Democrats in the so called "Gang of Six," a group of bipartisan senators on the Senate Finance Committee which is the last panel yet to release its bill, began moving quickly to close the loophole that Wilson helped bring greater attention to.

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the gang of six began moving quickly to close the loophole that Wilson helped bring greater attention to.

I must say he has gonads.

It goes on to say,

House Democrats have left open the option to sanction Wilson for violating a House rule that expressly prohibits members from accusing presidents of lying. But they signaled a preference to move ahead without further distraction.

"Let's not spend time on that," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said.

There is a House rule that prohibits members from accusing presidents of lying?

Odd.



[edit on 063030p://bThursday2009 by Stormdancer777]

The congressman was right. Obama was telling a whopper of a lie.
But the congressman shouldn't have yelled.
He apologized. The White House accepted.
Emotions are running high.

Seriously, I am amazed anyone buys the special interest agenda. Are some people so stupid they believe the propaganda about the health care reform?

The health care bill is currently a compromise to the republicans. If it passes in its current state as the Obama administration wants, it will still be, (if you compare it to the health care systems of US's western allies countries like Canada, UK, Germany, France etc) a right-wing health care system.

Still it would be an improvement from the current extreme right wing cynical system that only favors the greedy insurance companies and leaves millions of americans without health care.

I mean come on, do the Obama haters actually think the greedy CEO's of the insurance companies actually give a damn about you? That congress man might have a hidden agenda, maybe's he got a fine little bribe for disrupting the president, who knows.....

Originally posted by FlyersFan
The congressman was right. Obama was telling a whopper of a lie.
But the congressman shouldn't have yelled.
He apologized. The White House accepted.
Emotions are running high.

No emotion. Can't you hear the voice of James Carville in the back of your
mind? Just turn on the TV. Scan cnn and msnbc. Clearly, they got
the email from Big Lib Headquarters . Blow this "lie yell" up as high
as you can! Milk it for all it's worth! This will help unite those
terrible democrats who say they will not vote for ObamaCare.
This is all orchestrated James Carville nonsense.

One term sadly summarizes Wilson's disrespect.... "South Carolina". SC has many good people, but their politicians have historically played a central role in dividing the nation ...Calhoun (1840 - nullification, secession, states rights...all rationalizations to preserve slavery and PROFIT) and now comes Joe Wilson, the newest "Jack Phogbound" (Al Capp's pompous, anti-FDR dixiecrat and corporate puppet from the 1930s-70s comic strip, “Li’l Abner”). But don't forget Mark Sanford. With these two, South Carolina is once again the American comic-symbol for social and political regression and primitivism, the drag-anchor on America's progress, the 21st century’s " Jack Phogbound". Wilson is this week's actor of throwback stage. South Carolina looks to be the foot-dragging-tantrum-throwing child throughout the Obama presidency. (But the Dems, ‘bless em, keep hoping for a natural coming around by the new dixiecrats. Clue: not going to happen! So let’s get on with the agenda.)

Context. South Carolina and Alabama were the last states to erase state laws banning interracial marriage which SCarolina did in only 1998!!.....thirty (30) years after the US Supreme Court (1967) declared anti-interracial marriage laws unconstitutional for promoting white supremacy. 1998 is practically yesterday!!! No wonder ole Joe Wilson couldn't restrain himself.... simply race rage. And, I hope Joe doesn't claim God made him do it; that will be too much for me and I will donate big $ to Wilson's pponent, MARINE and Iraq VET, Bob Miller. Miller has received over $500,000 overnight since the "Lie" outburst.

[edit on 10-9-2009 by havanaja]

[edit on 10-9-2009 by havanaja]

politics are corrupt. every single one is a trained liar.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Your letting your hatred of Obama get the best of you.

Joe Wilson of South Carolina said Obama lied, but he didn't

But it's worth pointing out that illegal immigrants participating in the exchange [color=Gold]would be paying for their insurance like everyone else. That's similar to the current system -- we're not aware of any particular restrictions that stop illegal immigrants from buying private insurance now. Under health care reform, illegal immigrants would be able to buy private insurance or the public option.

When we look at all of this evidence, it seems that health reform leaves in place the status quo on illegal immigration, and certainly does not provide any new benefits particularly for illegal immigrants. We hope to look at this issue more in the days ahead, because some hospitals are particularly concerned about recouping their costs for treating illegal immigrants, and we're curious to know more about that problem and how it might or might not be solved by reform.

The best argument that we find that health reform would help illegal immigrants is that some might be able to purchase the public option -- if it passes, and it might not -- on the new health insurance exchange. They would purchase that at full cost. Obama's said "the reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally," which Wilson said was a "lie." Actually, Obama can make a pretty thorough case that reform doesn't apply to those here illegally. We don't find the public option argument enough to make the case that Obama "lied." We rate Wilson's statement False.

Obama didn't lie on this point. Sorry.

No free health care for illegal immigrants in the health bill

We read the bill and its legislative summary, and could find nothing about free health care for anyone, much less noncitizens.

To confirm our examination, we turned to Jennifer Tolbert, an independent health care analyst at the Kaiser Family Foundation, a nonpartisan foundation that studies health care reform. Tolbert has read and analyzed all the major health proposals, including those of the Republicans, and the foundation provides point-by-point analyses of the plans on its Web site.

"No one's provided with free health care. That's ridiculous," she said.

Page 50, which the e-mail references, is part of Section 152, which includes a generic nondiscrimination clause saying that insurers may not discriminate with regard to "personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services."

The section says nothing about "non-US citizens" or immigrants, legal or otherwise. In fact, the legislation specifically states that "undocumented aliens" will not be eligible for credits to help them buy health insurance, in Section 246 on page 143.

The bottom line here is the e-mail is making things up. The bill does not say anything close to "All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free health care services." We rate this chain e-mail statement Pants on Fire!

[edit on 9/10/2009 by whatukno]

reply to post by whatukno


Thank you for that post. It's important to work with facts and not simple gut feel.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
Not very mature if you ask me. This is a speech not a town hall meeting. What an arse.
Did any of the Congressmen call names when Bush spoke? just asking.

Pelosi, Reid, Kerry, Kennedy - well maybe not exactly when he spoke to congress, but they did not hold back afterwords and no one ever complained...

Just saying ...

[edit on 9/10/2009 by centurion1211]

Originally posted by AceWombat04

If people disagree with the president, I hope they passionately, and vehemently voice that disagreement. Just not while he's speaking before congress.

That's my opinion.

I respect your opinion, but I've got to ask? When would be an ok time to voice your disagreement? When he's not around? When you're having a town hall in your home town? On The Factor? Would those be better times to talk about your beef with someone/their policies? Or, do you think...speaking directly to/at him would be the better time?
It seems to me like our government is acting like a bunch of schoolgirls talking behind each other's back and talking about each other in general. Socialist left, terrorist/unpatriotic/nazi right, etc....And I believe that was Pelosi and some others calling the CITIZENS these things. Not only is our government fighting itself, one side is against some of the people(the right), and is encouraging more people (the left) to be against them. I won't even mention anything about biting fingers off.

Personally, in regards to my previous paragraph, I think there could not have been a better time to do this! On NATIONAL TV! Tons of people watching! People have been talking and talking, and now, somebody is DOING!


Too bad I found out early he apologized, that made all this almost not worth typing.

edit: changed "with beef" to "your beef"

[edit on 10-9-2009 by sr_robert1]

Originally posted by CoffinFeeder
There are many that say that we should show respect to the man because of his office.

it's odd, I thought respect is something you earned and gained, like trust.

What most are talking about is actually fear. They expect you to fear the office/man so thus feign respect for fear of what might happen to you if you don't, like in the medieval days when it was bow and scrape and act submissive or get killed.

Respect is a powerful tool and a tool that can be used for good and evil. What happens when you don't respect someone CoffinFeeder, your rude or say things that you wouldn't say to a person in polite society. In essence you treat that person like a "non-person". You say that respect is something you earned and gained like trust, but I think that is from the point of view of the freightened giving respect because he "earned it" and "gained it", but did that person earn or gain it or was he or she strong enough to in essence TAKE THAT RESPECT FROM YOU. Then there's the taught concept of HAVING RESPECT FOR OTHERS, which is the Ethic of Reciprocity or in laymens term the Golden Rule. They have this because in REALITY they knew or know that there are people and groups that won't respect certain people or groups no matter what they do, so people have to be told that you respect that person because it's the right thing to do and in turn they can respect you.

You want to treat people like a human being and a fellow citizen, but in the US we have dumbed down the masses enough that Brutishness and intolerance and stratification of class etc. etc. is the norm. If your not part of a certain crowd, you are an outsider and are "worthy" of that crowd being disrespectful to you and outright hostile. And you and others wonder why there so many problems in this country, it's because it's better to have people like this and in tribal mode to be able to control them. If people all treated each other by having respect for them, we would be more of a unified society. And the powers that be can't have that and the useful idiots in training don't want that.

Earning Respect should be give respect and have it given to you, but thats to hard a concept for many of us in the US and even overseas to understand anymore.