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Topic started on 9-9-2009 @ 08:33 PM by xmaddness

Congressman Yells 'You Lie' During Obama Speech


www.foxnews.com
President Obama's address Wednesday to Congress was greeted warmly by applause from Democrats, but also some disruptions, including one moment in which a congressman accused Obama of lying.
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reply posted on 9-9-2009 @ 08:33 PM by xmaddness
Edit for better discussions:
Do you think what Rep. Joe Wilson did was justified? Why do you think this?
Does this outburst set a new precedent for more "colorful" debates in the house and congress? If so, is this a good thing or a bad thing?

Source: South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson shouts, 'You lie' at Obama
After the speech, South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson issued a statement apologizing for his outburst. "This evening, I let my emotions get the best of me when listening to the president's remarks regarding the coverage of illegal immigrants in the health care bill," the statement said. "While I disagree with the president's statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere apologies to the president for this lack of civility."



Source: Congressman Yells 'You Lie' During Obama Speech
"Anybody who would cat-call the president of the United States addressing this body is very, very inappropriate, and he will hear from a lot of us about that," Rep. Jerry Lewis, R-Calif., told FOX News Radio.


House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who spoke to FOX News before learning who delivered the yell, said she didn't intend to move to sanction anyone for it.


Original video link provided by member Iago18 here



I am amazed at the outburst from South Carolina Republican Rep. Joe Wilson. In a time when we need bi-partisan support from both sides, it is clear that some republicans are simply going to dig in and continue to be part of the "party of no".

What furthers my anger of such outbursts is the fact that there is no final bill drawn that would even be able to prove that this is in fact a lie. Where does he get off calling this a lie without anything to back it up? Incidents like this are exactly what is causing the propagation of propagandist mis-information in this country on this issue.

Amazing.



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edits to add more discussion, updates and video

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reply posted on 9-9-2009 @ 08:38 PM by xmaddness
reply to post by crimvelvet




He was clarifying what he wants to see -IN- a bill. He also went on to say he has already received four PROPOSED bills. A proposed bill is not a final bill by any means.



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reply posted on 9-9-2009 @ 08:42 PM by stevegmu
reply to post by xmaddness



Why hasn't he written the guidelines for a bill, and submitted it to Congress? Answer- if it fails, he can blame Republicans and Congress. If he writes one, and it fails to pass, or turns out to be a disaster, he would have to take the blame.


reply posted on 9-9-2009 @ 08:50 PM by xmaddness
reply to post by stevegmu



A bill can be presented by the president, but it still has to be passes by the Congress and the House in order to become law. A bill of this size is very difficult to write and keep everyone happy in both parties, it would be impossible for a president to draft a bill, and edit the bill, while keeping all interested parties in mind. There are simply not enough hours in the day for the president to have to do the job of what is essentially the jobs of the congress and the house. This is the reason of why bills are created by the house and the congress, because they have the means of discussing these bills in front of their respective peers.

I would rather the president worry about other things than spending every waking moment working on one bill, you know, things like national security and running two wars.


reply posted on 9-9-2009 @ 08:51 PM by Lemon.Fresh
reply to post by xmaddness



This is not a time for bi-partisanship. This is the time to listen to wtf the American people are saying!


reply posted on 9-9-2009 @ 08:59 PM by FantasmaTaans
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh



You do know V for Vendetta was made for President Bush Right?



reply posted on 9-9-2009 @ 08:59 PM by stevegmu
reply to post by xmaddness



I am well aware as to how a bill becomes a law. I was a staffer back in the day. The President would just draft an outline- something I assume a Harvard lecturer would have no trouble with. His enormous staff would fill in the details. He would then review the draft, submit changes, review it again, then present it to a member of the House, who would lay sponsorship to the bill.


reply posted on 9-9-2009 @ 09:07 PM by DarkStormCrow
reply to post by FantasmaTaans



V for Vendetta was based on a comic book series that ran from 1982-1988 , way before Dubya was on the radar.
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