Senator Ted Kennedy has died of Brain cancer at age 77

Originally posted by Mak Manto
I'm not supporting what Ted did in the incident, and I don't want anyone on here saying I am, but it's not murder. Murder means Mr. Kennedy had the intent to kill her. He didn't. What he did was wrong, yes, very wrong, but it's not murder.

I beg to differ. If you're driving drunk and you drive off of a bridge and kill a passenger, that's not murder. You were already committing a crime (driving drunk), and somebody was killed as a result. At worst, it's manslaughter.

But... If you're driving drunk and you drive off of a bridge and leave a live passenger trapped in your vehicle while you go make phone calls for several hours to cover up the truth, then that, my friend, is murder.

The coroner who received Mary Jo Kopechne's body determined that she did not die from the wreck, and she did not drown.

Mary Jo Kopechne died of asphyxiation... She suffocated. Ran out of air.

The rescue team that brought up her body found her in the back seat of the car, where there was a small bubble of air for her to breathe for a short period of time. Police speculated that if they had been called immediately, they could have arrived on the scene within 20 minutes and could have rescued her before she suffocated.

But the police were not called immediately. Senator Ted Kennedy had other phone calls to make for 10 straight hours, arranging a cover story, getting his ducks in a row, protecting his political career.

Meanwhile, Mary Jo Kopechne ran out of oxygen and died.

And that is homicide, as well as conspiring to cover up a homicide.

— Doc Velocity

I feel no sorrow for someone who stood by and watched his brothers murdered and decided to take the cowardly way out. If my brothers had been murdered i would avenge them by any means!

What usually happens in this strange life has happened here.The good died young(bobby johnny)and we got left with this drunken murderer, I'm glad he's gone.

[edit on 26-8-2009 by genius/idoit]

Originally posted by Doc Velocity

Originally posted by Mak Manto
I'm not supporting what Ted did in the incident, and I don't want anyone on here saying I am, but it's not murder. Murder means Mr. Kennedy had the intent to kill her. He didn't. What he did was wrong, yes, very wrong, but it's not murder.

I beg to differ. If you're driving drunk and you drive off of a bridge and kill a passenger, that's not murder. You were already committing a crime (driving drunk), and somebody was killed as a result. At worst, it's manslaughter.

But... If you're driving drunk and you drive off of a bridge and leave a live passenger trapped in your vehicle while you go make phone calls for several hours to cover up the truth, then that, my friend, is murder.

The coroner who received Mary Jo Kopechne's body determined that she did not die from the wreck, and she did not drown.

Mary Jo Kopechne died of asphyxiation... She suffocated. Ran out of air.

The rescue team that brought up her body found her in the back seat of the car, where there was a small bubble of air for her to breathe for a short period of time. Police speculated that if they had been called immediately, they could have arrived on the scene within 20 minutes and could have rescued her before she suffocated.

But the police were not called immediately. Senator Ted Kennedy had other phone calls to make for 10 straight hours, arranging a cover story, getting his ducks in a row, protecting his political career.

Meanwhile, Mary Jo Kopechne ran out of oxygen and died.

And that is homicide, as well as conspiring to cover up a homicide.

— Doc Velocity

Whoa! Set the time frame. It was the late 60's. Drunk driving was not such a big deal. Not until MADD came along in about 1984 or so.

Remember, Unless you were a total dickhead to the cops, if they caught you drunk driving, they'd have you pour out your open container and make you hit the road. If you couldn't pour out an open container THEN you got busted.

Also, smoking was still very PC and encouraged by the Hero's in Movies ... Today only villain smokes and/or drinks (And the Doctor in Battlestar Galactica.)

Times change but Jacko and Kenno are still dead.

Originally posted by Red Dawn 09
I feel no sorrow for someone who stood by and watched his brothers murdered and decided to take the cowardly way out. If my brothers had been murdered i would avenge them by any means!

You mean the law abiding way out?

You are upset because he didn't act criminally toward the unknown assailants?

[edit on 26-8-2009 by HunkaHunka]

Originally posted by DrMattMaddix
Whoa! Set the time frame. It was the late 60's. Drunk driving was not such a big deal. Not until MADD came along in about 1984 or so.

Not at all true. Drunk driving has been a criminal offense for decades, and the police have always treated it with the utmost seriousness. My grandfather was a county sheriff, and three of my uncles were patrol officers in the 1960s, and I know wherefrom I speak.

More than likely you don't understand the climate of the 1960s because you weren't yet born. But I remember very clearly.

— Doc Velocity

[edit on 26-8-2009 by 12m8keall2c]

For a forum that the users proclaim knowledge unsurpassed anywhere on the net...

Kennedy info:
1. He was caught cheating at Harvard when he attended it. He was expelled twice, once for cheating on a test, and once for paying a classmate to cheat for him.
2. While expelled, Kennedy enlisted in the Army, but mistakenly signed up for four years instead of two. Oops, the man can’t count to four. His father, Joseph P. Kennedy, former U.S. Ambassador to England (a step up from bootlegging liquor into the US from Canada during prohibition) , pulled the necessary strings to have his enlistment shortened to two years, and to ensure that he served in Europe, not Korea , where a war was raging. No preferential treatment for him like “he” charged President Bush received.
3. Kennedy was assigned to Paris, never advanced beyond the rank of Private, and returned to Harvard upon being discharged. Imagine a person of his “education” NEVER advancing past the rank of Private.
4. While attending law school at the University of Virginia, he was cited for reckless driving four times, including once when he was clocked driving 90 miles per hour in a residential neighborhood with his headlights off after dark. Yet his Virginia driver’s license was never revoked. Coincidentally, he passed the bar exam in 1959, amazing!!!
5. In 1964, he was seriously injured in a plane crash, and hospitalized for several months. Test results done by the hospital at the time he was admitted had shown he was legally intoxicated. The results of those tests remained a “state secret” until in the 1980’s when the report was unsealed. Didn’t hear about that from the unbiased media, did we.
6. On July 19, 1969, Kennedy attended a party on Chappaquiddick Island in Massachusetts. At about 11:00 PM, he borrowed his chauffeur’s keys to his Oldsmobile limousine, and offered to give a ride home to Mary Jo Kopechne, a campaign worker. Leaving the island via an unlit bridge with no guard rail, Kennedy steered the car off the bridge, flipped, and into Poucha Pond.
7. He swam to shore and walked back to the party, after passing several houses and a fire station. Then two friends returned with him to the scene of the accident. According to their later testimony, they told him what he already knew, that he was required by law to immediately report the accident to the authorities. Instead Kennedy made his way to his hotel, called his lawyer, and went to sleep. Kennedy called the police the next morning and by then the wreck had already been discovered. Before dying, Kopechne had scratched at the upholstered floor above her head in the upside-down car. The Kennedy family began “calling in favors”, ensuring that any inquiry would be contained. Her corpse was whisked out-of-state to her family, before an autopsy could be conducted. Further details are uncertain, but after the accident Kennedy says he repeatedly dove under the water trying to rescue Kopecne, and he didn’t call police because he was in a state of shock. It is widely assumed Kennedy was drunk, and he held off calling police in hopes that his family could fix the problem overnight. Since the accident, Kennedy’s “political enemies” have referred to him as the distinguished Senator from Chappaquiddick. He pled guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, and was given a SUSPENDED SENTENCE OF TWO MONTHS. Kopechne’s family received a small payout from the Kennedy’s insurance policy, and never sued. There was later an effort to have her body exhumed and autopsied, but her family successfully fought against this in court, and Kennedy’s family paid their attorney’s bills… a “token of friendship”?
8. Kennedy has held his Senate seat for more than forty years, but considering his longevity, his accomplishments seem scant. He authored or argued for legislation that ensured a variety of civil rights, increased the minimum wage in 1981, made access to health care easier for the indigent, and funded Meals on Wheels for fixed-income seniors and is widely held as the “standard-bearer for liberalism”. In his very first Senate roll, he was the floor manager for the bill that turned U.S. immigration policy upside down and opened the floodgate for immigrants from third world countries.
9. Since that time, he has been the prime instigator and author of every expansion of and increase in immigration, up to and including the latest attempt to grant amnesty to illegal aliens. Not to mention the Pious grilling he gave the last two Supreme Court Nominees, as if he were the standard bearer for the nation in matters of right. What a pompous ass.
10. He is known around Washington as a public drunk, loud, boisterous and very disrespectful to ladies. JERK is a better description than “great American”.

Thank you Rephaim. That was much better than the knee-jerk "condolences" that "all Americans must mourn his loss" for probably the next 3-weeks.

Don't question the man, mourn his loss you fools! You bearers of ignorance and hate!! Mourn his loss! Mourn the death of your demi-god now!!

"Hasta Victoria" as Teddy once said in a speech to a mob of illegal aliens. Can he please take the 12 million illegal aliens who have successfully invaded our sovereign nation without the benefit of a mobilized army with him? Please?

Sucks for his family, good news for America.

The man had no respect for the oath that he swore to uphold. He was a US Senator which means his votes directly effected everybody's life in America. He gets no respect from me.

The icing on the cake is him trying to get a law overturned that he championed in MA all because one of the "team" is in power in his state. His passing just means one less corrupt politician pushing legislation that has helped destroy America.

One down, 99 to go.

Yeah. It's one line, but I think it pretty clearly represents my opinion on the matter anyways.

Well, I wish his family condolences. However, for him, I have nothing but contempt. A teenage girl never had the chance to live HER life to age 77, because this coward was more interested in covering up his drunken stupor, rather than trying to save a young girl. He was a despicable human being. It's disgusting how MSNBC and CNN are falling over, praising this murdering political hack.
My sincere condolences go out to Mary Jo Kopechne's surviving family. Not having to view this poor excuse of a human being and political crook any more should give them some closure, finally.

i dont think any of you actually knew him enough to comment on his personal life.

a couple things comes to mind.

Yes he did leave a woman to die, and the biggest recourse to him was the fact that he couldnt run for president.

yes he was in a very rich family that made their money criminally

yes he did some bad things in his life (so have i, never killed anyone though)

today he died.

no one has to respect him.

no one has the authority to make someone respect him. (by yelling at people because they dont, doesnt really look good on you either)

yes it does look bad on your for just cursing someone on the day they die.

yes it does look bad on you for making a man who passed questionable laws, killed without recourse, and did pretty much what he wanted because he was a kennedy, look like he is some saint who needs to be worshipped.

i did hear that he called one of the victims of 9/11's families and had them come sailing with him.

not sure why he would do that for only one family, but it is a nice story.

he was also known to want to revamp health care because he was so privileged that he wanted others to be given what he had. this revelation came after his plane crash.

socialism isnt the path though, but it was still a nice thought.

for those of you painting him evil, you are wrong
for those of you painting him a saint, you too, are wrong.

you people need a life, and stop praising others like a god. i swear im in BC times with all the idiots around me.

edit: o, and respect to his family for their loss.

its not my place to wish a destination for someone after they pass.

[edit on 8/26/2009 by mahtoosacks]

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To my Understanding. The Young Hot Girl that died was his secretary, that he was fooling around with while he had just gotten married and When they did the Autopsy she was pregnant with his child 4 months if I am not mistaken. It was in the middle of winter there was fog and ice on the road and the car ended up in the Water. She drowned. He swam to safety.

It took 3 hours for him to report when he got home yet he lives 20 miles from the scene of the accident. Dry when they came.

Anyone else have some research on this? I forgot most of the details.

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Yes he did leave a woman to die, and the biggest recourse to him was the fact that he couldnt run for president.

Yep, another reason why I'm not sad for his passing, when all the people like him are not involved in politics anymore and people with integrity and honesty are in positions of authority maybe just maybe we can actually have the same standards apply to everybody regardless of family clout and position.

He should have been rotting in a jail cell, if that same situation happen to anyone of us, that is exactly where we would be, on the hook for first degree murder with no possibility of parole.

Must be nice to be able to get away with murder and the biggest punishment you receive is not being able to run for president.

reply to post by Thiaoouba Prophecy


sounds pretty accurate to me.

you might get attacked now. people on the left seem to hate being proven wrong and the slinging with entail. that or they will ignore that you said anything.

im not right or left. so dont even start on me. i dont like any of you

Originally posted by Rephaim

For a forum that the users proclaim knowledge unsurpassed anywhere on the net...

Speaking of "proclaiming knowledge", did you steal this from CraigsList? Wouldn't it be funny if plagiarism was on the list that you copied from another site?

:shk:

So... do you have an original thought about him?

[edit on 26-8-2009 by Benevolent Heretic]

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Here is the story:
en.wikipedia.org...