There is no such thing as a "chemtrail".

That's a fact.

Chemtrail threads belong with reptilian & rods threads.

I think it's a dam shame there are people out there who are losing sleep over this nonexistent issue.

i am an airframe and powerplant trained tech... that stuff that you think is a chemtrail is just simple physics.. a jet engine is basically a huge compressor.. when you compress air what happens ? it gets hot .. if the humidity in the air is high enough you get a visible water vapor trail.. why is this so hard to understand and also... if the government wanted to poison us they would just put it in our food and water ??? oh.. yeah... i forgot. lol

Chemtrail "debumkers"? They're "losing"? Hardly.

Look, not everyone who questions the existence of chemtrails, or the significance of them, is a "debunker". Many people simply haven't seen any credible evidence that there is any such phenomenon as chemtrails.

I think everyone agrees that there are contrails coming from high-flying jets. These are said to be condensation of moisture in the atmosphere that results from water vapor cooling after the jet passes. The water vapor is a product of the fuel burning. When it condenses, it is visible as a whitish streak in the air. I have never seen a contrail do anything except either slowly expand and lose shape until it fades away, or else break up into parts as wind gusts push it around. Not once have I ever seen a contrail descend even a little bit, far less all the way down to the ground. Not once have I ever seen any fallout from a contrail.

Chemtrails are supposed to be mysterious trails of various chemicals or other substances released by someone - government jets, corporations, secret governmental projects, etc., that do a variety of things. Theories vary from them being relatively harmless, to inducing psychiatric illness, physical illness, poisoning, even causing deaths.

I can't "explain" chemtrails. In fact, I have never seen a chemtrail, nor have I ever seen any convincing evidence that any such phenomenon exists. I have seen endless photographs of chemtrails, but there was nothing about them that would distinguish them from the thousands of contrails I've seen in my life. Not saying they're not chemicals, but there's nothing about the photos that is suspicious.

Supposedly some scientists have examined these chemtrails and found various chemicals in them, or, at time, other substances, known and unknown. But who are these scientists? Where are they? Where are their reports? Zip.

The "debunkers" really don't have to do much. It's up to the people who think these chemtrails are dangerous, to somehow show that they are. This isn't happening. For all the various "reports", actual evidence is very sparse, a handful of questionable evidence such as tiny fibers found somewhere, some silky stuff that could be spiderweb for all I know, stuff like that.

I know you can't just open up a bottle and catch the chemicals in a chemtrail. Obviously, these chemtrails are thousands of feet above us in the atmosphere. By the time those chemicals reach the ground - assuming they *ever* reach the ground - they'd be so diluted you wouldn't be able to tell if you had anything.

But that's the point. How do we know *what's* in those contrails? Who's grabbing the samples and analyzing them?

You complain that finding an "honest scientist" is nearly impossible. What you are actually saying is, it's almost impossible to find a scientist that will support your claim. The reason for this, I believe, is not because so many scientists are dishonest. The reason is that honest scientists generally don't think much of chemtrails, and will say so. The definition of "honest scientist" is not, "a scientist who agrees with my theories".

So yes, it is difficult to find scientists who will seriously discuss chemtrails as sinister chemical pollution deliberately inflicted on America's people for various unknown, shady reasons. Most scientists will simply say that what are called "chemtrails" are simply contrails from ordinary passenger or military jets. Nothing more harmful than the usual emissions from burning jet fuel.

As long as the definition of "honest scientist" is "one that agrees with me", then no, you aren't going to find a whole lot of "honest scientists".

Originally posted by sanchoearlyjones
I did back it up. there is a link in one of my original posts.

SAPS...

1.2 Special Access Programs Pertaining to Intelligence Activities. The National Security Act of 1947 and Executive Order 12958 authorize the DCI to create special access programs pertaining to intelligence activities (including special activities, but excluding military operational, strategic and tactical programs). This Directive covers all such programs.

Please note the exclusions.

Now, what do they have to do with this nonsense?

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Originally posted by sanchoearlyjones
Again, for anyone new to this discussion: I pointed out that aircraft have incredible take off weights in excess of 800K+ pounds. I pointed out they have ranges of 7k+ miles. I pointed out that through Special Access Programs there is no way to prove ****undeniably**** that chemtrails aren't real.

So, you're simply going by the theory that, thru a Special Access Program, chemtrails can exist?

That's quite a leap of faith!

"Hey, the US government has SAPs!! That's proof of chemtrails!" Not freakin' hardly.