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Originally posted by brocket99
I still don't understand how they Chemtrail debunkers ignore the skies. Maybe you guys live in different countries, or smaller cities, but it is going on.
I am not saying we are being poisoned or anything conspiracy related, it could just be weather modification, but if you saw the amount of contrails in the skies today creating entire cloud cover over the city...it was happening from 8am-5:30pm, it was crazy.
If it is is weather modification I would prefer to be told, as I don't love the idea of aluminum iodide being sprayed, just because its probably not very healthy for anyone.
Lastly, I watched 2 planes spray miles long "contrails," turn around, repeat, turn around, repeat, turn around repeat. Lining up 6 contrails in a row going the same direction, than change direction and criss cross. JUST today.
I doubt they were passenger jets, and they were so high up you couldnt make the type out.
I am not interested in arguing, I am not lying, I am stating exactly what I witnessed today...so I would sincerely like to know what these planes were doing? By the way, I was outside playing in a softball game....so I had plenty of time to watch it happening.
Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by sanchoearlyjones
So SAPS is real, now prove that chemtrails are part of this secret keeping program
As stated in the OP there are hundreds of thousands of google search hits on the word chemtrail yet you want us to believe that these chemtrails are part of a super secret, black operation??
I see too that you've not answered my questions in that thread that you've mentioned countless times in this thread.
Why does that list of Military Industrial Complex Companies include companies like Campbellsville Apparel Company?
Campbellsville Apparel Co., Campbellsville, Ky.,* is being awarded a maximum $12,574,000.00 fir fixed price, total set aside contract for men’s undershirts. Using services are Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps.
Are you suggesting that the supply of men's undershirts are somehow related to SAPS and black operations?
Maybe these undershirts are chemtrail proof...?
Originally posted by SantaClaus
Any chemtrailist still contributing this thread who has continued to use "I SAW IT" logic to assert their claims should be written off as a unreliable sensationalist.
Seriously, these threads are killed by logic so often it hurts to know how many stupid people are still allowed to vote in this country or any.
You guys continually spout the same idiocy and never argue the people who provide the real evidence. You avoid it because you know its true.
Before you believe all your sad, stupid bunk, please research it..
Here's an example... I could say, "I SAW A JACKELOPE LAST NIGHT!" Which of you would believe me? I could certainly dress a bunny with antlers and take a pic, but there is still NO EVIDENCE worth such an argument. Tissue samples? Fur? Droppings?
When one of you cares enough to get a pilot's license, in whatever plane that allows a 40,000 foot altitude, and legally obtains the chemical output of one of these planes by means of collecting their contrail (which would not be difficult), I will believe you. But all of you are insane, and it makes the rest of the skeptic world seem stupider for it.
Originally posted by brocket99
How do we find out what planes were flying today and at what altitudes? Is that information available, or were they just figments of my imagination.
Originally posted by brocket99
You are essentially mocking me, and treating me like a fool by suggesting I couldn't tell the difference between a holding pattern and something that looks bizarre and out of the ordinary.
Originally posted by brocket99
Let me know how I can look up my city air traffic so I can see the flights and flight patterns and I'll let you know if I am wrong.
ESPERANCE LEAD CONTAMINATION
Esperance is 721km South of Perth, Western Australia.
Generally known for it's tourism industry, Esperance has one of the deepest ports in Southern Australia.
You can find more info here:
Magellan Metals use this port to load their lead mined in the area onto their ships, not long after this resumed, birds started to die:
Testing to determine the cause of mass bird deaths in the Esperance area suggests the small number of birds tested died of lead poisoning. Up to 4000 birds were estimated to have died in Esperance between early December and January, and more than 100 bird deaths have been reported in the Esperance townsite this week. Samples of these birds have been submitted for testing.
This was just the beginning it seems, the article goes on to say that the Environmental Health director, Jim Dodds said the Department
had not seen any evidence to suggest the general population has been exposed to a health risk.
It is sad to see just how wrong he was.
ESPERANCE children were exposed to an invisible chemical attack on their vulnerable bodies because government agencies - who were meant to protect them - failed to heed their own advice. On the eve of today's parliamentary inquiry into lead contamination that resulted in 4000-plus birds falling dead from the sky, The Sunday Times revealed a litany of oversights that may have resulted in irreparable damage to the health of infants in the town. Adults also have been exposed to highly toxic lead and nickel dust blown from the town's port, but it is the effect on young children that is causing the most angst. Lower levels of lead exposure can affect a child's mental and physical growth.
I recommend everyone read that story.
I guess why I used this story as an example is because it shows us a few telltale signs of mass poisoning.
Firstly, smaller animals like birds will be effected before humans will, why do you think they took canaries down coal mines?
Secondly, if you were in a town like this being poisoned, EVERYONE, and that literally means EVERYONE will show similar symptoms. Not just your neighbour, not just the guy at the shop you chat to. EVERY man woman and child will be showing the same symptoms.
All this from a single ground based source, nearly 15,000 people were effected in some way.
So the signs are there, unfortunately in Esperances case the signs weren't acted upon quick enough, both by the environmental department and by Magellan Metals themselves.
Originally posted by OzWeatherman
Think about this for a moment. If you were to poison a population, what would be easier?
One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.
In another chapter, 'Large Area Coverage Trials', the MoD describes how between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii , which mimics anthrax. These releases came from a military ship, the Icewhale, anchored off the Dorset coast, which sprayed the micro-organisms in a five to 10-mile radius.
Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: 'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public.
'The results from these trials_ will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.'
Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.
Thank you for your email dated ******** in which you write regarding your concerns over spraying in the sky. I am sorry for the delay in replying.
According to the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs and the Ministry of Defence, despite having been actively engaged in spraying chemicals or particles from aircraft in the past, the UK Government is not presently involved in any activities in which chemicals or particles are purposefully emitted from aircraft.
The supposed ‘chemtrails’, shown in the Youtube video in which I have been mentioned and which I assume you have seen, are known as vapour trails, or, more commonly, contrails. The official explanation is that these contrails are produced by aircraft engine exhausts. The combination of high humidity and low temperatures is said to allow the formation of contrails and, depending on the temperature and the amount of moisture in the air, contrails can either evaporate quickly or persist and grow. According to the government, contrails are composed primarily of water, of which the main part is naturally present in the air; therefore they do not pose a health risk.
In the UK, the high volume of air traffic has undoubtedly led to increased cloudiness. Estimates in the scientific report ‘Aviation and the Global Atmosphere’ indicate that in 1992, contrails covered about 0.1% of the Earth’s surface, by 2050 it is predicted that this percentage will increase to 0.5%. Contrails continue to be the subject of research to help better understand both how they are formed and what affect they have on the atmosphere.
For my part, I intend to look further into this area when time allows. In the meantime, I hope this is helpful in taking matters forward.
Thank you again for writing.
Norman Baker MP
Lib Dem Shadow Transport Secretary