Missing ship may have secret cargo

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by Gordi The Drummer

 

Hey Gordi
Maybe the cargo of nuclear tipped tomahawk and cruise type missiles are headed to the Mediterranean in those Russian military ships.
Any info on what kind of vessels they rescued the Arctic Sea with?
Where they are now? Where did the new crew come from?
How did they get to the A.S.
Let me know when the book is ready!

Hi Donny!
Yeah, they might be... but if they wanted to take nukes / tomahawaks / cruise to the Med... they could just have put them in the warships in the first place! (No need for hiding them in Timber Freighter!)

The only vessel that the Russians have named as being involved in the "rescue" is the Submarine Support Frigate "Ladny" - There is a link to a photo of this vessel, kindly supplied by northwoods in a post on the previous page.
Funnily enough - This vessel was named about a week or 10 days earlier, supposedly tracking the Arctic Sea down the African Coastline??
The Russian fleet is supposedly heading back up to the Baltic now.
The new crew are probably russian navy? from one of the warships.
But there are two stories of what is happening to A.S.
1)It is damaged and is being nursed back to Baltic Sea
2)The owners are intending to complete the journey to Algeria! (It is their property and cargo after all!!)

It is my guess that, whatever "cargo" was hidden on board, was long gone before the russians were allowed to find A.S. again.
Maybe it'll turn up in Chicago in a few weeks? With a huge ribbon, a bow and a big card which reads "From Russia With Love"! (Post Marked Washington DC)

Artic sea"s bulkhead configured to carry secret payload for anti ship or nuke missle. Somehow someone was tipped off or someone leaked info for a huge payday. Top secret arms dealing delivery between russia and syria. Russia decides that they can not allow secret to get out. That explains why emergency session and laws were passed so that russia could watch or oversee shipment(

why they had subs off of the U.S coast in the first place/ russia was watching and tracking events/ possibly intercepted transmissions that someone knows whats going on and sends battlegroup to shadow, protect, cover their secret shipment. Remember that the U.S tried to talk to syria and syria basicaly gave U.S the middle finger and ran straight to iran. Russia has an alliance with iran. If U.S / israeal strike iran, they will probably look to take out syria as well and syria will help to attack israel, so maybe russia's trying to supply syria in order to have surprise trump cards to play in the game. Russia has gotton away with the whole scam, they protected artic sea, arrested supposed hijackers, retrieved their arms and are in the process of brainwashing crew and everythings been a compleate cover up. But why no other nation did anything but just watch? Remember georga? Russia didnt like that and look at the whole missle defense and whos involved. This is a stratiegic game being played and if syria is armed this is a win for russia/ iran

it would appear that this event has had a great deal of coverage from all angles. you can bet that the powers that be will have been monitoring all sources of information including sites like this . they will have formulated several possibilities as to what went on or is going on and will of put a reactoinary force on stand by. if there was an attack planned against the states i dont believe it will happen now as too much info has been compiled . were on page 37 of this topic and every page has yielded information. how many other forums are running similar threads full of information

reply to post by JacKatMtn


Hi,

Okay, I watched the video, and I noticed a few things..

The Anchorwoman I think was directed to ask specific questions.

She said something along the lines of.........:

"Okay, so these are not pirates; then ****who**** are they?"

"Okay, so it's not timber, drugs, but ****something**** else; what is it?"

Solely my intuition, but I think she was trying to get the man to say something along the lines of NWO intervention, and covert operation....leaning toward terror attack/false flag.

I know at the very least she was subtly trying to lead the audience into thinking outside the box over this......Something I would not see on US TV.

I started off with my OP, and still firmly believe that. However, I have changed my opinion a very little bit. Here goes:

The NWO are Illuminatists. They know about a lot of esoteric knowledge, and are into numerology.

I don't think it will be one terror attack.

I think there will be three types of terror attack/False Flags. Each with 3 of the same False Flag.

1. I believe the Swine Flu is the False Flag FLu. They are already proving the vaccines are killers. This year there are 3 shots. I think the third one is the KILL charm.

2. The US economy, and two other countries economies will be tanked as the second False Flag. I have an opinion on which two, but that's not for now. Tanking these economies will be the final death blows to said nations as we know them.

*******3. The actual False Flag attacks as we know them now. I believe three world cities will be nuked; more than likely with what was carried on the Arctic Sea. I think their was an at sea transfer to 3 other ships each with a port destination in the world; one destination being the US.
The other two nukes would be going to the same countries alluded outlined in #2 above.

It's the ultimate tri fecta. It adds up to 9. Any dates, or multiples that can come close to that I think are possible.

reply to post by JacKatMtn


One thing I noticed more than once while watching Russia Today (now I have it on cable, along with other Russian, Ukrainian and Chinese channels, and the more main-stream channels), is that they always show on their map the ship coming from a place in Finland that was not the port in which it was loaded with the timber.

Edited to add: I forgot to say that guy has appeared many times on Russia Today, and his idea is that was too well orchestrated and was probably done by NATO.

[edit on 19/8/2009 by ArMaP]

reply to post by sanchoearlyjones
Hi Sancho, the thing about your theory of a nuclear strike is that everyone is vunerable, both during and after, long after. The NWO would also need its financial institutions intact...although I suppose they could relocate to Cape Verde so a non radioactive fallout device would be a candidate, a Neutron bomb. In theory a Neutron bomb should blow everyone to wherever they came from, and with less infrastructure damage. China is said to have Neutron weapons and so has Israel, in what form I have no idea. Israel has also used dirty material in its military weapons,wherever that stuff came from.
So all around the Med and the Red Sea are parties interested in procuring dirty material, and have done before. I begin to wonder if the Arctic Sea hijack was actually an attempt to stop it from reaching the Med or the African continent, who knows maybe the hijackers are the good guys, and I can say that because at this stage noone wants to tell people what is going on.

reply to post by ArMaP
The thing is that Mikhail Voitenko did have a salient point about the mobile 'phones though, unless there is some maritime restriction on them, although he would know if that were so.
Interesting however, that the Mail online is not buying the latest episode.

www.dailymail.co.uk...
Mikhail Voitenko also has some new words on the subject.

[edit on 19-8-2009 by smurfy]

You don't suppose that there may have been a connection do you??
www.radianceweekly.com... Fully-Operational.html

But why load the cargo on a freighter when naval vessels are making the trip regularly? Was it too unwieldy to ship securely otherwise? If it was truly unwieldy then it would be a bit difficult for the hijackers to offload it from beneath the deck cargo of lumber. If it was an official military cargo bound for the Middle East, then one would expect it to have been transported overland and shipped from one of the black sea ports.
www.jamestown.org...[tt_news]=32866

It is possible that the supposed "hidden cargo" was "unauthorized” and therefore shipped by unconventional means. Who Knows? Maybe those responsible for the shipment (the Russian Mafia?) sent something that they thought was going to one party when they were really involved with clandestine representatives of some other party.
It would seem unlikely that any major ship modifications would be made under the noses of the Russian military without their knowledge, but on the other hand there is such a thing as hiding in plain sight.
My supposition is that, by some means or another, the "West" may have come into possession of something that was considered critical and highly classified by the Russian Government, therefore the uncommonly aggressive reaction to the purported "hijacking" by the Russian military and the seeming nonchalance of the western nations.

reply to post by smurfy


Okay, So You see plausibility in my ideology? I can see Your point on the actual bombs....

The Russians developed barometric pressure bombs which are just as powerful as something nuclear, but imho far worse in the short term. No long term fall out, but short term it blows up all internal organs.

Hyjacking/stealing these from Russia, and then using them sure would point a lot of fingers in their direction..............just a thought.

reply to post by Old Farmer
I would suspect that there are too many,(and hostile?) land borders with inspections to make such a successful journey, much simpler by sea with something able to carry a possible large load.
One thing that struck me though looking at your post, is that Russia, or rather the old Soviet Union did have prototypes or working prototypes of mobile nuclear power stations, for both land and sea. I wonder what happened to them? I'm not talking about nuclear subs, these were mobile power generators.

englishrussia.com...

gadgets.boingboing.net...

some interesting comments on the latter site.

[edit on 19-8-2009 by smurfy]

reply to post by sanchoearlyjones
Yes there could be something there, but you would have to tie it up with the planned NWO monetary system and NWO idealism and why that way?
Barometric pressure would be just be a way to trigger any explosive device, (that doesn't mean to say it hasn't been used in recent scenarios) it is something to take into account.

Originally posted by jate 2000

...why they had subs off of the U.S coast in the first place/ russia was watching and tracking events/ possibly intercepted transmissions that someone knows whats going on and sends battlegroup to shadow, protect, cover their secret shipment.

While there may be something with the timing... remember that Russia is disparately trying to prove that it has just as much capability as it did in the Soviet days. That's why the Tu-95 flights resumed, the shadowing of battlegroups etc. Soviet subs used to be parked off the US coast all the time. Before satellites became mainstay, sigint ships were always parked in international waters pickling off telecommunications intercepts.

Why expect anything different now?






[edit on 19-8-2009 by RoofMonkey]

reply to post by smurfy


Ok, my mistake. We were thinking about the same incident after all. I'm very curious about who ordered the firemen to measure the radioactivity. News said that the results were to be reported directly to the Ministry of Interior. On the other hand the ship had been missing for quite some time at that point, maybe some mid-level administrator was paranoid

Originally posted by PsykoOps
reply to post by smurfy

 

Ok, my mistake. We were thinking about the same incident after all. I'm very curious about who ordered the firemen to measure the radioactivity. News said that the results were to be reported directly to the Ministry of Interior. On the other hand the ship had been missing for quite some time at that point, maybe some mid-level administrator was paranoid

Corrected and last news about this said that it really was some rumor and "stupid" firemen go to play with geiger. Pietarsaari is peaceful little seaside town where never happens anything. It was "very cool" to feel to be part of some mysterious operation and geiger on hand amplifies the feeling. I still believe that this was one line in National Burea Police's investigation but they don't want to admit it. Finnish are officially always little bit on tiptoe with Russians. It is balancing between neighbour and friends. And there is a term for that: Finlandization. It is weak but one can still hear and see ghost of Finlandization in some political level in Finland.





[edit on 20-8-2009 by northwoods]

Russian Nuke ends up in US port, explodes, blame goes to some rouge elements or false flag operation.. Perhaps Russia joins in search for those elements, or proving it's a false flag.. it'd need to denounce those elements/do everything possible to avoid war.

How about looking at this another way...

What if a nuke ended up in a US port but didn't explode.. it was found in time by the calvary and defused..

Not being mean but as Brit looking at the fever pitch that has been created over the Evil socialist nazi NHS... was surprising..

So how about coming hot on the heels of the evils of socialism debate going on right now, a Russian nuke is found in a US port.. Not appearing a false flag operation as it's been defused...

So my questions are, does a Russian nuke need to explode in a US port to cause maximum damage? and what would be the impact on the American people be to finding a Russian nuke in a US port?

I'm just questioning why a nuke would need to explode to cause maximum damage/start a war.

Rumors spreading...Arctic sea has transported four cruise missile but what was the destination..another cargo ship or African west coast. And why such operation. Smokescreen is dense.

I have seen on Euronews (but it's not on their site, I saw it on TV) images of the hijackers entering a bus in Cape Verde, and images of the Arctic Sea crew also coming to land.

Russia Today says that the crew is already in Moscow.

Here is a Google translated version of a Cape Verde news piece that talks about how things happened in Cape Verde.

[edit on 20/8/2009 by ArMaP]

reply to post by ArMaP


Good site!


Some hijackers pics, or are they member of special forces ;-)

reply to post by northwoods


Yes, those were the images I saw in Euronews, apparently the only images that were taken during the transfer of the hijackers to the school bus in which they were taken to the airport.

Ship crew members:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5ad345047922.jpg[/atsimg]

One hi-jacker:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/29566bb60bbe.jpg[/atsimg]


[edit on 20-8-2009 by hande]