Black president: Will the blacks rule? A question...

Which never ending war? Iraq? Seems we are just about done with that. Personally a tad premature I think but we have a reduced role in that sandbox. Afghanastan? Oh yea we are trying the same approach there we used in Iraq. That will be a abyssal failure. Just cuz it worked once doesn't mean it will again. Different factors in each.

Where does it say that everyone should get equal health care? Personally I have issue with the people taking advantage of our system without putting in to it! Turning our economy around? Yea the TARP was passes by Bush, but look what has been done with it since. Bailing out auto manufacturers was a pay off to the UAW. The inmates run the asylum thanks to O.

The problem the citizens are having now are due to the manner in which the POTUS has tried to push his agenda through! Nothing like trying to rule from up high. Look at the way the president stuck his foot in his mouth over that Harvard prof. That was a little racist of him.

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Not ignoring you...didn't know you wanted me to reply. What do I think of people voting based on identity politics? I dunno. It's pretty stupid. Just as stupid as people who vote on a single issue like abortion.

It's understandable, though, that the African American community voted overwhelmingly for a viable African American candidate. I'm not defending it. I'm just saying it's easy to understand. I personally didn't vote for him based on his skin color...I personally preferred Kucinich. But a Democrat was bound to win that election, whether he was black, white, brown or purple.

Again, I believe there was a substantial number of people who voted against him because he's black, too. My opinion on them is the same - pretty stupid.

Can I digress for a second? Last summer I saw Patton Oswald do a live comedy show in Seattle. He told a joke that had the entire theater rolling - he said, basically, there are some people who will never accept Obama. Even if he came in & fixed EVERYTHING, there would still be people saying "yeah, there goes that n****r that gave us health care!"
--so true. I TRY not to let it bother me, though.

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Well, I suppose we could debate these issues all day, to no avail.
I don't think either of us could reconcile our views.
But, one thing you said...well, I can't help myself:

You STILL think the President "put his foot in his mouth" over that issue? You think it was "racist" of him? Either you're a cop, or so blinded by circumstance that you simply can't see the truth of the matter.

The cops are there to protect citizens - to maintain a safe society - to uphold the laws of the state. The problem is that so many of them have an authoritative attitude - that they are a privileged class, and that they have the right to arrest people that offend them personally.

Think about it. The cop arrested a man for disorderly conduct, in his own home. By all accounts, this "disorderly conduct" consisted of the professor mouthing off to the cop.

So what? The situation was over. The professor had proved he was in his own home, and that he hadn't broken into someone else's home. There was no burglary attempt. So...the cop decides he doesn't like the guy's tone of voice, and arrests him for pissing him off. Not because he posed a threat to society. Not because he hurt anyone. Because he pissed the cop off.

The cop was acting outside of his rights, and above the law. That's why the charges were dropped.

Yeah, I'd say that's stupid behavior. But then, you'll probably call me a racist too.

So great to live in America, isn't it?

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I would bet you...
7 out of 10 "Up high government agents" will be African American by the end of Oboma's term in office. This does not mean he will be firing people. He'll just add more. Does this scare me? Nope. Im on SSI. Hes going to be a good president for me and the poor people, regardless of race.

- Blond haired, blue eyed
and meek.

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can you define "up high government agents"?
and can you tell us what kind of medicine you're on? sounds like a great time.

Originally posted by nicholaswa
reply to post by Azen thorhammer

 

can you define "up high government agents"?
and can you tell us what kind of medicine you're on? sounds like a great time.

What ever he decides he needs them for.
He's the president after all. Hez getz whatz he wantz.


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Does your friend have an issue with blacks?

i also wonder if this is the the case.i find it funny that when people use
the "no offense" claus or open w/" i don't mean to offend "anyone. what
they should be saying is if your "this or that or the other" to read any further, is very definetly going to offend you.
besides, if the black people were to rule over us, who's to say they wouldn't
show us the same mercies, and compassion, and love of your brother, that we have shown them for so long.
when the shoe is on the other foot, you have no choice but to wear it as best you can pal. what comes around .goes around.
universal law always finds justice.
for the record only( not in my defense ) i have always been completly
disgusted w/ my fellow whites. who are capable of cruelty to any living thing.let alone another human being. be he red, black, brown, yellow and
white too. i don't like your thread .i don't like what it implies. i don't like
how your friend thinks .matter of fact, i think "your friend "sounds like a coward. how bout that?

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I agree with you 100%. While I did not vote for him (because I saw a little too much socialism in his policies), if he deserves credit for doing a good job, then I will give it to him. I hope, with all my heart, that he and his staff can fix this mess. If they do, I will swallow my pride and congratulate them on a job well done.

Originally posted by nicholaswa
reply to post by hangedman13

 

Well, I suppose we could debate these issues all day, to no avail.
I don't think either of us could reconcile our views.
But, one thing you said...well, I can't help myself:

You STILL think the President "put his foot in his mouth" over that issue? You think it was "racist" of him? Either you're a cop, or so blinded by circumstance that you simply can't see the truth of the matter.

The cops are there to protect citizens - to maintain a safe society - to uphold the laws of the state. The problem is that so many of them have an authoritative attitude - that they are a privileged class, and that they have the right to arrest people that offend them personally.

Think about it. The cop arrested a man for disorderly conduct, in his own home. By all accounts, this "disorderly conduct" consisted of the professor mouthing off to the cop.

So what? The situation was over. The professor had proved he was in his own home, and that he hadn't broken into someone else's home. There was no burglary attempt. So...the cop decides he doesn't like the guy's tone of voice, and arrests him for pissing him off. Not because he posed a threat to society. Not because he hurt anyone. Because he pissed the cop off.

The cop was acting outside of his rights, and above the law. That's why the charges were dropped.

Yeah, I'd say that's stupid behavior. But then, you'll probably call me a racist too.

So great to live in America, isn't it?

You are debating Massachusetts State Law now. Having grown up there, I can tell you that the cops up there do have attitude problems and will arrest you for that because they are allowed to do so. The State gives them the opportunity to.

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Actually the arrest would have happened white, black whatever. He impeded their investigation of the complaint. The police are not their to protect private citizens they are there to protect the public well being! A very subtle difference! Really what point is it to go on a rant against the police at that time. They were responding to a complaint about suspicious activity! The situation was blown out of proportion by the homeowner! The police can not just assume. Like I said anyone in that same situation would be arrested, but the charges were dropped because of who he was and what he would cause! The racism in it was that the charges were dropped as not to be a pr nightmare.



I am not trying to inflame you nor call you a racist I find that blacks tend to be very sensitive to the issue but are the first to use it to their advantage. I could care less about any of the stupid little variable of humanity other than integrity! I am white but my circle of associates is quite diverse. I find the integrity of most people to be sorely lacking! You sir seem to have quite a few -isms under your belt!

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Actually the arrest would have happened white, black whatever.
--I disagree. But, that's the kind of statement that we're bound to disagree on, given our variant life experiences. But, I don't think that an affluent white professor would've been arrested.

He impeded their investigation of the complaint.
--No, he didn't. He was the subject of the complaint. Once they ascertained that there was no burglary attempt, the complaint was rendered irrelevant.

The police are not their to protect private citizens they are there to protect the public well being!
--yeah, that's my point. They're not there to serve themselves, or eachother.


A very subtle difference! Really what point is it to go on a rant against the police at that time. They were responding to a complaint about suspicious activity! The situation was blown out of proportion by the homeowner!
--so? blowing something out of proportion isn't a crime.

The police can not just assume.
--right.

Like I said anyone in that same situation would be arrested, but the charges were dropped because of who he was and what he would cause!
--NO, NO, NO. The charges were dropped because there was no way a judge/jury would convict the accused...the charges were unfounded!

The racism in it was that the charges were dropped as not to be a pr nightmare.
--I'm glad we can keep a civil tone in this discussion. I'm often guilty of flying off the handle, and this statement, on a normal day, would send me into a typing fit....but it's payday, I've got an unshakable smile, and all I can do is sigh and think it's really interesting how our country has forced us so far apart that we look at this situation from completely opposite perspectives, just because our parents had different skin colors. It's amazing really...future societies will (hopefully) look at discussions like these as primitive - almost barbaric - and feel sorry for both of us.

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I did give him a chance at cutting the debt.

But I'm from the common sense era where you can't spend money to save money. In the last 8 months all Obama has been talking about is spend, spend, spend or the good ol US of A will not survive.

Bush put us in a hole, Obama new what he was getting into. He needs to own up to the fact that it is his debt now and not something that he "inherited", but something that he spent millions of dollars to have.

Until he owns up to that responsibility he will never work at cutting our debt, because he will just pass it off on W.

The sad thing is that he will get away with it.

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Hehe good for you! I agree with you about the typing frenzy! On both sides it's really a matter of honest discussion and not being on tip toes around the real issue with it. Actually the biggest eye opener for me was seeing the other flavors of racism in action. I was involved with a Guyanese woman [Indian descent] who opened my eyes to some interesting points of view. The Indians in Guyana are extremely racists towards the Guyanese of African descent. In the US it has a very interesting effect on my area. But in the end dude we can respectfully agree to disagree!

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just pass it off on W.

i'm opposed to anything that takes the heat off this guy. sorry.
he is scum from a family of scums.

Dude , you act like friggin Louis Farrakhan is President. It's Barack Obama... henry kissinger's Favorite Son & NWO Puppet. This reeks of Trollage.

Originally posted by randyvs
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just pass it off on W.

i'm opposed to anything that takes the heat off this guy. sorry.
he is scum from a family of scums.

That is the train of thought I am talking about.

Who says Obamas honeymoon is over? He still has 3 1/2 years left.

I have a few Pakistani friends but what i find is that they simply dont like white people - regardless of where your family migrated from. (Mine from ireland, but it makes no difference to most of them because of the colour of my skin i am automatically from a family of racists) Now back to my point.
Ive learned that although Pakistani's (the younger generation) have mostly adopted a western view of life you will find that they will incorporate there parents values and such. This means that there class system exists in this country. For example, My friend couldn’t marry below her class because of the social reasons. How does this fit in with your question? Well, Paki's (not using it as a racist term) are very religious. Yes, some of them will drink and smoke but you will always find that at the end of the day if you insult their faith you might as well be spitting on them. Again you ask, how does that fit in with your question?

Asians look out for one another - They've had to. (so did the Irish) If we had an asian guy/woman running this country you would see alot of favouritism for segregated schools (for muslims only) more worshipping places for there faiths and possibly other faiths and maybe even a relax in rules about how much you could send to your family in another part of the world.

However, asians get things done. They need money? they earn it. Leaky pipe? They get it fixed. Someone insult's them? they get there guys together. I think that if an asian got into power here you would see a tightening in laws. Longer sentences, more… Suitable conditions for offenders (Like taking out there TV's, Play stations yada yada yada)
Funding for police would likely be increased as well as new policies that actually act on underage drinking, Drugs and Prostitution.

Though it is very wrong to stereotype, that is loosely what i would expect from an asian as PM. I'm not racist, but i know that this response doesn’t exactly back me up XD But in summary, Ying and Yang. Peace out

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The bottom line is Yes there are Racists and Yes there are people that still believe that the color of someones skin defines them. If there wasn't then this thread would not exist. When I was stationed in Okinawa in 2000 there were old people protesting outside the main gate that were alive when we dropped the bomb on them. I'm Half Black and Half Puerto Rican and they were pissed at me like I did it. It didn't matter the race they just didn't want Americans there... could you really blame them!?!

The sad truth is people are afraid of what is different from them (or perceived to be different) and those fears can make them easily manipulated by others that are pushing agendas. Fear is a VERY powerful tool.

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
Hmmmm ... well it's happened in music, why not in politics?

Best post of the day! So true.

Originally posted by Death_Kron

Black people who attended his acceptance/winning (whatever you call it) speech were over-joyed with happiness and some even crying. Why would they be so happy that their president is black?


[edit on 13/8/09 by Death_Kron]

Because now they can begin the sinister Phase II of the operation.

Probably for the same reason that women and people of color were overjoyed when their (respective) civil rights movements gave them the ability to vote. And pee in the same toilet as the rest of us.

It was about time.