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What will you do when it passes?

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posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by inthesticks
If the government wants to make me sign up for their health insurance, they are just gonna have to make me.


There is nothing mandatory about signing up for this. You don't have to. You don't have to have insurance if you don't want it. It's an option for those who don't have it.

I can't believe people even think that... I can't believe what people believe about this bill. It's really very sad...




posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 09:14 PM
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I'd like to know if you've read the bill. Have you just watched MSNBC? Listened to Pelisi's talking points? I don't mean to be ascerbic but you appear to be for this bill.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 09:52 PM
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By no means is this the death knell for the Democratic party.

In case anyone has forgotten, healthcare reform was one of the major issues that democrats across the country campaigned for. Now they're delivering it. The reason it's 'taking so long' is that congress is out of session. These town hall meetings are their attempts to go to the people and say "Look, we're doing what you've asked us to do."

The disruptions, which get a lot more airtime on the news, are the result of a BALLSY disinformation campaign by the Republican party to derail what would otherwise be an extremely popular program enacted by the Dems. If they fail to pass a bill, they will be seen as ineffective, but if they succeed they will be seen as delivering on one of their major campaign platform points.

That would be extremely helpful for their election chances in November of next year...



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 09:56 PM
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Well, I hope the 'majority' is happy with what they'll get. As opposed as I am to the bill, I can almost guarantee that it'll pass.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 10:15 PM
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reply to post by mikerussellus
 


What will you do when it passes?


I'm going to go to the doctor and take care of my lower back which gives me constant pain, lack of mobility, and several other issues as a consequence.

All of which is not covered by my current insurance policy as a pre-existing condition.

Is viagra covered?

That would be second.
then lipo, bosley institute ...



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 10:22 PM
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Buy a gun that I can buy ammo for. Get a CCW so that I may keep the gun 'on my person' in the open or not.

Write more emails and letters.

Vote them out of office.

Figure out how to make the biggest, nastiest, permanent stink bombs ever and drop them in the appropriate offices. Hey! It's a way to get them out of the office. I'm just being creative and thinking outside the box.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 10:23 PM
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Honest question, kids. . .

you all aren't concerned? Am I making a mountain out of a molehill? Convince me. (seriously)

I've read the bill and it made me sick (almost went to see a doctor
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what am I missing? I see it as a power grab, not about healthcare. Where am I wrong?

Please educate me.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 10:25 PM
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See? I read your reply and I think that I am on the right track. How can one thing be seen so differently by so many people?

Are we wrong, Nivcharah? Or are we the smart ones?

I'm going to vote for "smart" until someone can logically explain where I'm wrong.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 10:31 PM
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Oh it will pass, Obama will see to it. They all want it to pass if you ask me. It will it is just when. I personaly am working very hard to become as healthy as possible, I take a couple of RX now and my goal is to be off of them ASAP, so that I do not have to depend on the Gov't. But in reality life happens and we all need haelth care at one time or another so what will I do? I have no idea, I have thought about stocking up on herbals before they are no longer allowed to be sold to the public and self medicating as needed. I have a background in nursing and the medical field but I aint no doctor. I am scared to be honest, but being a Christain all I can do is pray and prepare to the best of my ability then the rest is up to the Big guy.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 10:33 PM
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But Melissa, according to some on this thread, you will get all the care you need. everything will be fine.

I mean, how could they be so wrong?

Side note, I agree, will be stocking up on everything!


edit for spelling

[edit on 12-8-2009 by mikerussellus]



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 10:35 PM
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Originally posted by milesp
In case anyone has forgotten, healthcare reform was one of the major issues that democrats across the country campaigned for. Now they're delivering it.


A couple of the other major issues that democrats across the country campaigned for were TRANSPARENCY IN/WITH FEDERAL GOVERNMENT & LOBBYIST/LOBBYING REFORM.

When should I be expecting delivery?




posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 10:36 PM
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I can't say that we are the "smart ones" or not. What I can say, is that I am awake and looking at the whole picture. I do not like what I see. It looks like "the slippery slope of Auschwitz". I have friends who have read the page numbers and items I found from a previous post on ATS deciphering the meaning of those items. The are only seeing what is in black and white, but refuse to read between the lines.

Maybe because I am from German descent and have a Jewish past this bothers me in a different way. Maybe because of everything that is currently happening in the world (China's infanticide of female babies, genocide in Darfur, etc.) I am more sensitive. Maybe it's because I have first-hand experience with negative reactions to govt mandated vaccinations. Maybe it's because I limit my exposure to the TV and internet sites and focus on reading books and internet sites for spiritual development. Maybe it's because I limit my consumption of processed foods. The govt has not been able to shut off my brain and turn me into a zombie.

Or maybe you're right. Maybe we're just too smart for these smarmy F-M'ers and it's not only pissing them off, but it's finally scaring THEM!



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 10:37 PM
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I am going to quit my job and go fishing.

Get free insurance, about 550 dollars in food stamps, move into a government subsidized house, let government help me pay most of my bills, work part time at wal-mart to maintain my benefits, have few more babies to ensure my earned income credit stays intact, and fill out applications for every little thing the government says I am entitled to.

It is getting clearer that the welfare life is becoming more attractive by the day.



Gone Fishing!



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by mikerussellus
reply to post by schrodingers dog
 


Honest question, kids. . .

you all aren't concerned? Am I making a mountain out of a molehill? Convince me. (seriously)

I've read the bill and it made me sick (almost went to see a doctor
)
what am I missing? I see it as a power grab, not about healthcare. Where am I wrong?

Please educate me.


No I am right their with you. I have to admit I have not read the whole thing but I have read some of the highlights and I agree, everone deserves affordable health care, I do not object to the idea of a government health care system in and of itself. What I object to is I see it as a power grab too. I think it will eventualy run private health insurances out of business and we will all be on the Gov't plan. I also see it as taking our rights away, for example; charging me a penalty because I smoke, charging someone a penalty because they are obiese? Forcing us to take vacines weather we wnat them or not. I could go on and on, but if they start taking these rights away z(and get away with it) then what is next???? If my mother in law wants to weight 300 lbs that is up to her no it aint good but have mercy this is a free country. If I want to smoke my lungs to death well it is my body. If my husband does not want to take the H1N1 vacine and he gets the flu and dies well that is his right, not MF Obama's. And if my daughter WANTS to go to boot camp then I will support her 100% but if Obama makes her go thatis just wrong. I think boot camp would be great for my daughter but do not make her go, then you are taking our freedom away, taking away our rights. If it starts here where will it end? That is my point.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 10:47 PM
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It scares me too.

We have seen alot in this country, and I have the luxury of growing up in the UK to give me more perspective.

I think we're entering a time that no american has ever seen before.

Brave New World, anyone?



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog

reply to post by mikerussellus
 


What will you do when it passes?


I'm going to go to the doctor and take care of my lower back which gives me constant pain, lack of mobility, and several other issues as a consequence.

All of which is not covered by my current insurance policy as a pre-existing condition.

Is viagra covered?

That would be second.
then lipo, bosley institute ...


You are dreaming big boy.
And dreaming big.
You might get some help for your back but I doubt it will be the help you think you will get. I hate to hear that you are in pain and I truly hope you can get better, but this ain't the answer. It is an answer but not the right one. All yall wanted change well yall are about to meet the mother of all change I hope she likes you...



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by inthesticks
If the government wants to make me sign up for their health insurance, they are just gonna have to make me.


There is nothing mandatory about signing up for this. You don't have to. You don't have to have insurance if you don't want it. It's an option for those who don't have it.

I can't believe people even think that... I can't believe what people believe about this bill. It's really very sad...


that is not true. WAccording to the bill we will all be commiting a crime if we do not have some type of health insurance. It will be manditory, now you do not have to have the gov't insurance but you have to have insurance. Read the bill it's in there.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 10:59 PM
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I haven't had health insurance for prob over 6-7 years. Either the companies that I worked for did not offer, or I was being staffed their by "an agency" which offered something ridiculous to the tune of $800/mo.

I haven't seen a dentist in probably that long either. I really wish that decent health insurance was affordable, but I will not give up my rights, liberties, or privacy, to obtain it. The government says that they would like to help me out here, but in the bill we would be surrendering some of our freedoms of choice, and our privacy, so it seems.
The gubmint has crossed that privacy line so many times over the last 10 years (and continues to), how can any of us trust them anymore??



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by Paroxysm

Originally posted by milesp
In case anyone has forgotten, healthcare reform was one of the major issues that democrats across the country campaigned for. Now they're delivering it.


A couple of the other major issues that democrats across the country campaigned for were TRANSPARENCY IN/WITH FEDERAL GOVERNMENT & LOBBYIST/LOBBYING REFORM.

When should I be expecting delivery?



That's a great question. I'd sure like to know the answer to that one...

Please don't mistake me for a partisan hack. I'm just trying to analyze and observe the situation.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 11:02 PM
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Melissa, that's why I asked these folks to try to defend the bill. They can't because they haven't read it.

This site is to Deny Ignorance, not espouse it.

I have yet to talk to a single person who has read the bill, defend the points made.

They don't KNOW what they're getting themselves into.

As dangerous as it will be for everyone, it'll be a bigger shock to those who expected sunshine and happiness and instead, get just the opposite.



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