Originally posted by jam321
Could you please give me at least one issue that somebody can criticize Obama on and not get labeled a hater, or racist, or any other label one cares to invent?

Health Care
Economy
Foreign Relations
Gun Control
Tobacco Regulation

I'm sure there are other legit topics ya'll can talk about...

Unfortunately for the nation, the Republicans are to busy crying about the birth certificate non-issue, and now we have "Beer-gate" I guess.

Get your stuff straight and start debating real issues, because while everyone is trying to get the birth certificate out of his right hand only god knows what he's doing with his left hand.

If you want to defeat Obama's agenda then do it, and stop playing these petty games.

Seriously, why do ya'll think you can fall back onto "he's a commie!" or "he's not a citizen!" or "he's a racist"? You'll never win any debate like that, especially now with this President.

Note: I do not mean to group all republicans into one group here.

And YES Bush made far to many gaffs for ya'll to ride Obama's back for the same.

[edit on 30-7-2009 by XTexan]

Originally posted by jerico65
The country is at war, we have legions in the field, and Obama is still screwing around with this? What a joke.

Tho seeing him try to do a keg stand would be pretty interesting.

You're right, screw trying to fix a race issue.

I think it's mighty pleasant this meeting took place. Although it was not needed, it was still nice.

[edit on 30-7-2009 by GorehoundLarry]

Originally posted by XTexan

Originally posted by jam321
Could you please give me at least one issue that somebody can criticize Obama on and not get labeled a hater, or racist, or any other label one cares to invent?

Health Care
Economy
Foreign Relations
Gun Control
Tobacco Regulation

[edit on 30-7-2009 by XTexan]

Gun control needs to be much more strict.

And tobacco? Yeah, you're right. The increase tax on something that kills you is totally bogus. Cancer should come at a cheaper cost. But that's just my opinion.

[edit on 30-7-2009 by GorehoundLarry]

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
You're right, screw trying to fix a race issue.

And who made it a race issue? And I thought Biden was the one that had the big mouth that was always in overdrive?

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
I think it's mighty pleasant this meeting took place. Although it was not needed, it was still nice.

Well, it may not have helped, but it sure didn't hurt any, that's for sure.

When Bush was president you have a dozen networks, most print media and Hollywood all working to torpedo Bush. We had negative stories daily from the day he was inaugurated (which briefly let up after 9/11). We had one news network (Fox) that was a shill for Bush.

Now we have a dozen news networks, print media and Hollywood all working to "make Obama successful" and one network (Fox) being critical of him.

Does anyone else not see the problem with this? If this incident with the cop and gates had happened to Bush, the media would be using it to beat him over the head. Instead they are actually part of the subterfuge!

Does anyone else see the major problem with this, or am I alone?

Well you know, you just can't call a black person a monkey... I've known that for over 20 years now. It has a stigma to it that comes from back in the day.

There is a stigma, because black people don't put up with it. The fact is, Irish immigrants were often called monkeys also. This idea that white people have to just sit back and take racial attacks of any kind if utterly stupid.

[edit on 31-7-2009 by Wimbly]

This is the way I see things, and I look in and around many corners. I am not trying to be too forceful, but this is the way I see things, so I will share.

Anyone who bashes one and not the other, in reference to Obama and Bush, among other things, is still a satellite orbiting. They are still a a mere angle to counter the opposite angle. They are still a half divided against their other half.

I am not referring to seeing flaws in the presiding, and limited ideology permeating these individuals. Their ideologies are clearly short sighted. However, regardless of how stacked the game is, and it indeed is, these individuals are mere mirror images of the warring masses. One serves to be half the mirror image, the other, the other half. Whose mirror you identify with depends upon how you have split yourself, in the vain desire for acceptance. Peace and love. Please step outside your perceptions. You just might get mad at first, but you'll come to realize it is not so bad. It is all in your head. Jump into the wave that you were meant to ride. Love.

I just wanted to add a little more IN...SIGHT. I think Bush and Obama can be seen to represent the classical masculine and feminine, respectively. I am certainly not putting the men and women reading this post into any box. I am just referring to societal conceptions of the perspectives of masculine and feminine. They are both bull crap without the other. Whichever one without the other fuels war and strife and hate and destruction. We need to stop defining ourselves by what we are not, but by what we are, and then quit defining, in a sense. Defining ourselves by what we are not is the very fuel that feeds the machine of divide and conquer. The machine of divide and conquer then creates war and death and destruction and separation and total ignorance of all things outside of the divided self. I don't know about you, but I try to overcome individuality. I don't much like to be divided inside all the way down the spiral. I like to be integrated higher and higher....

[edit on 31-7-2009 by orwellianunenlightenment]

Originally posted by jam321
Could you please give me at least one issue that somebody can criticize Obama on and not get labeled a hater, or racist, or any other label one cares to invent?

I really have no interest in Obama's beer bash. IMO, it is a publicity stunt. Instead of mediating between his buddy and this cop, why doesn't Obama go mediate between Israel and the Palestinians?

At least then I could respect the guy for trying to do his job rather than criticize him for butting in where he doesn't belong.

When did it become America's duty to "Mediate" between nations?
America isn't a global police force; or judge, jury and executioner.
Good for Obama, dealing with problems in his own country.