Shock: Inside the Obama Healthcare Bill

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posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 06:06 AM
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Listed below are some crazy regulations/laws inside the Obama Healthcare Bill.

The list is from Peter Fleckstein (aka Fleckman).
Here is the article: economicpolicyjournal.com...

The list is his interpretation but the few I checked seem to be right on the money.
Here is the actual Healthcare Bill for reference: Obama's Healthcare Bill


Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed

PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u have, you'll all be paid the same

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage

Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs


[edit on 7/22/2009 by WhatTheory]




posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 06:32 AM
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which way will the cookie crumble?

this is going to be interesting


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posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 06:38 AM
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Originally posted by WhatTheory
Listed below are some crazy regulations/laws inside the Obama Healthcare Bill.


And if it did not have a bunch of strict parametres, you'd be on about that, too. Why not just say you don't like Obama and spare us the rest.


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posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 06:50 AM
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Has it ever occurred to anyone that this has been a LONG TIME in the making. I mean just think about how long and how many people and how much time it takes to come up with such a HUGE and MASSIVE document. This is the exact thing with the economic bailouts. They don't come up with this overnight. This is all planned years ago. And this is why they are so hell bent on ramming this legislation through Congress.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 07:35 AM
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Indeed. This bill has been cooking in the crock pot for some time now and Obama is the poor sap that has to try and sell it. It kind of reminds of a Ford Pinto that someone tried to sell me in High School. "Hey dude I've got 3 other buyers looking at this gem, you'd better decide by tomorrow".

Barry has been busy making back room deals with hospitals and pharm. companies. He just has to push this through now or he will lose his kickbacks or hopefully his job.

[edit on 22-7-2009 by jibeho]


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posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 07:47 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by WhatTheory
Listed below are some crazy regulations/laws inside the Obama Healthcare Bill.


And if it did not have a bunch of strict parametres, you'd be on about that, too. Why not just say you don't like Obama and spare us the rest.


Obama admitted in a taped recording he does not know what is in HIS health care bill HE is pushing for. He is committing himself to this, but doesn't know what is in the bill. Been on the front of Drudge for awhile. Whether you like Obama or not the absolute LEAST you can expect from him is to know what's in the bill he's campaigning for.
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posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 07:48 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Why not just say you don't like Obama and spare us the rest.

Well, I thought that was obvious.
I'm glad you finally caught up with everyone else.


Way to NOT comment on the bill.
Since you said nothing, I guess you like the way this healthcare bill is written right?

If all you are going to do is make sly, snarky comments without any word about the actual bill then please keep them to yourself. Thanks!



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Why not just say you don't like Obama and spare us the rest.

Well, I thought that was obvious.
I'm glad you finally caught up with everyone else.

If all you are going to do is make sly, snarky comments without any word about the actual bill then please keep them to yourself. Thanks!


Well it is obvious and just because I saw to mention it in this thread doesn't mean it was beyond me. And it is obvious that your politics taint anything that come into play, in my humble opinion.

As to the content you cite...this is a huge bill...it has to be to be plug-and-play for the American people. I'm sure that many of these strange little clauses are meant to plug loopholes along the way. We all know that the greatest danger to the concept of Universal Health Care for Americans is the pork along the way. The greatest criticism I see is that "The Government will screw it up"...you can't trust them.

I see where Senator Max Baucus, Chair of the Senate Finance Committee, has accepted a couple of pieces of silver from the minions of Big Health:

Here's why Baucus is not doing the people's business:

According to OpenSecrets.org, over his career he has taken donations from:

* The Insurance Industry: $1,170,313
* Health Professionals: $1,016,276
* Pharmaceuticals/Health Products Industry: $734,605
* Hospitals/Nursing Homes: $541,891
* Health Services/HMOs: $439,700

Baucus has shown his bias and should be removed from leading the health care reform effort by the Democratic Party leadership. www.commondreams.org...


There is so much crap getting in the way of an honest deal for the Americans...and God only knows, y'all deserve it...that the ways and means are going to be a matter so dense it will bend light. And there will be an army of lawyers assailing it from two fronts...one set to scuttle it, the other to bleed it. Now a corporate lawyer could dissect your post and likely come up with reasonable responses for all of your queries. Or not. But for a lay-person...as I assume you are...to present it as a partisan issue is disingenuous because you don't know what you're talking about.

Beyond slagging your President.

Which is why I restricted my comments to that action...'cuz ultimately the rest seems immaterial to you. That about cover it?


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posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 08:32 AM
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First, do not paint Obama as a sap. He accepted the nomination and now he has the job. He is beyond his 90 day blame everything on everyone else stage.

The fear here is that it is being pushed through with no debate. This is like the stimulus.It is being voted upon without reading it. It is being promoted with even the president not knowing what it is about. He stated that in an interview yesterday.

Where the system may not be perfect it does provide care. This will punish those who have private insurance and provide to those who do not want it or do not work hard enough to have and pay for it.

I would rather them pass a bill that provided government health care for all children and the elderly rather than enable non working people access to health care while those out there working 2 or 3 jobs are forking over 1/4 of their pay for insurance.

Regulation is needed not a revamp just like the financial sector. I lay this directly at the feet of the current administration since they are pushing it along with the House and Senate. Some one in the government needs to show some balls and call the current admin out on this bill.... transparency anyone...where is it?



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 08:45 AM
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what I didn't see (good post though, well done!) was the clause that gave you the option of what pictures you want to look at and what music they will play for you as they slowly, but kindly, euthinized you for the soylent green company.
As someone who is nearing the 50 year mark, I can be assured that I'm pretty much screwed if this thing passes. But since I lost half of my 401k last year I guess Obama has saved me from working hard to remake my losses.
-sigh-
It's not even eight am and I need a drink!



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 08:54 AM
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posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
Has it ever occurred to anyone that this has been a LONG TIME in the making. I mean just think about how long and how many people and how much time it takes to come up with such a HUGE and MASSIVE document. This is the exact thing with the economic bailouts. They don't come up with this overnight. This is all planned years ago. And this is why they are so hell bent on ramming this legislation through Congress.


From what I can gather, this has been in the works at least since Clinton. Why? Because that's when his Bulldog faced wife Hillary brought up this issue. We didn't want it then, and a good percentage of us now STILL don't want it. So I gather this has been in the works for a t least a good 16 years, if not, a little longer.


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posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 09:01 AM
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Let get something clear here, Obama has this agenda way before he took office, to supposedly fix the health care system, remember this is Hillary and Kennedy bill.

Second the bill have over 1000 pages and growing along with the cost to the tax payer in the nation, something that they have been keeping out of the public ears, the bill have the marks of private interest in it as usual.

The bill will be puling for the big pharma as they are the biggest donors in Washington second by oil barons.

What makes me laugh about all this and shows the blatant agenda of a government run health insurance is how Obama keeps telling the public that the government have no intention to run health care and here you have the bill, I wonder who is Obama lying too.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 09:04 AM
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I think you'd have a much smaller list if you just wrote down when Obama has told the truth!



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 09:07 AM
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this is a forum that denies ignorance ... it would probably be best if you kept your uninformed opinions to yourself considering you didn't add to the discussion one bit.

i work for a living. i'm not a retard i have a pretty high IQ. i work but don't get healthcare.

if your employer all of a sudden stopped paying for your healthcare, you'd most likely tuck your ego between your legs and keep your mouth shut.

if you don't know what your talking about, you shouldn't say anything. its as simple as that.

sometimes i think some of these people don't even deserve to be members of ATS. all they do is spread hate and ignorance. they might as well join the government.

by the way, if i were your parents i would be the one that was ashamed

[edit on 22-7-2009 by 12m8keall2c]



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 09:08 AM
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There aren't enough words to express how much I hate this. So much for cigarettes. So much for anything that doesn't promote wellness in a police state.

If this goes through, we'll all be screwed by big brother. I think it's best to start stocking up on lube now.

As for the other, if this bill were being backed by Ron Paul - my pick that lost - well, I'd be all over it, supporting it as if it was our sole life-support system; one that's even more important than the air itself.
- Would I really back it because my candidate backs it?

No. But then, I know better than to talk out of my *ass, too.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Let get something clear here, Obama has this agenda way before he took office, to supposedly fix the health care system, remember this is Hillary and Kennedy bill.

Second the bill have over 1000 pages and growing along with the cost to the tax payer in the nation, something that they have been keeping out of the public ears, the bill have the marks of private interest in it as usual.

The bill will be puling for the big pharma as they are the biggest donors in Washington second by oil barons.

What makes me laugh about all this and shows the blatant agenda of a government run health insurance is how Obama keeps telling the public that the government have no intention to run health care and here you have the bill, I wonder who is Obama lying too.


You mean how he also stated that he didn't want to get into the auto industry and now the Govt. and the UAW now OWN 70% of GM? Yeah he sure was telling the truth there...
How about how he didn't want to run or nationalize the banks? Guess that's why some of the banks that accepted Bailout money are now scrambling to pay off as much as they can so they can avoid it. They know what's coming.

And the liberal hippies bought all this cr@p hook, line and sinker. I think what Obama really means to say when he says that line ("I have no interest in running the auto/bank industry") is that HE, HIMSELF has no interest, and he himself will not become a CEO for these industries. But he will GLADLY appoint government officials to do so for him. This is what is simply called Word Perception. Make people believe you're saying one thing, when what you really mean is completely different.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 09:11 AM
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Nice to see a level-headed, unbiased commentary coming out of the right.

Don't you think that the Dems are looking for re-election at the end of this cycle? If every middle-class privately insured person gets screwed by this system, are they going to want to support Obama with their money and their votes?

As to providing medical care for those working poor who are going bankrupt if they get ill...where's that Christian ethic to love they neighbour? What about helping out a fellow American?


How come Canada has the wherewithal to do it, and the States can't? This apparently retarded unemployed pot-smoking hippie twit seems to think you American are better than all that. If only you could convince yourselves.

[edit on 22-7-2009 by 12m8keall2c]



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 09:13 AM
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Oh, and if you think the government hasn't handed YOU anything.... your completely delusional. where do you think the schools, roads, post office, etc. come from?

there are better ways to express your opinion other than making yourself look like a fool



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 09:14 AM
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the more and more i hear about the bill its my understanding, i could be wrong, non-employed/ employed persons will have the same level of health care or pay a fine if they choose not to have any, arent they modeling this after some bills that went thru in MA. a few years ago now # amount of people in MA pay fines for not having the state health care or something close to that, They pick up coverage when there sick ect. ect. get treatment drop the coverage when there better cause its just cheaper to pay the fines and either it was the state or the goverment that absorbs there medical bills. more and more you can live of the goverment and have the same benefits? i might not have the type of life i want but its a hard debate when non contributing citizins get just about everything for free. the average working american is the sucker, me included

look at canada they come into the US, what does that say?


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