I know Muslim women who are not at all happy that Sharia is now part of the legal system in the UK; they came here to escape it.

Now to find that they are bound again by the very thing they sought to escape is upsetting for them (to say the least).

Politicians do not think of this when they strive to be tolerant of other peoples beliefs.

I'm a bit disappointed with all the ad hominem in this thread. Daily Mail too. Surprise surprise. Fear & hate: always sells. I'm all for devolution of justice to local communities. Get it away from the out of touch twerp judges. But shari'ah? Regardless that the violent punishments could never be legal in the uk, it's sexist & borderline racist. Still, so's the torah & bible. But we did deal with domestic abuse before. Police were instructed to prosecute regardless of victim statements & social services helped out. We'll have to tackle muslim attitudes to women eventually.
You know tho? F**k the whole lot: islam, judaism, christianity, isis worship, whatever. Since when did we recouple religion & law? Religious law was superceded cos its crap: by definition out of date. This just legitimises it.
Ah, I remember when! The 80s when Thatcher & Co started lecturing us on family values. All of a sudden the religious crawled out of the woodwork to spout off, even if not a few years before they'd have been mocked into oblivion. Too late now... Still, no need to ban such courts. What we need is more devolution: secular local community courts. Let religious drivel stand on its own 2 feet side by side with ordinary people debating the issues.
Oh, we've got this thread to see what'd happen, eh? Oops... Haven't thought that 1 through!

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
The jewish commnunity can do this also, whats the problem, how is it effecting you?

If your not from that part of the community it wont apply to you. Stop spreading fear about Muslims

muslim law does not apply under western laws. why don't muslims learn to live within the country they move to?...it's because they don't give a damn about our laws and customs, and thus do not respect western culture, as they keep saying they do. they have been lying to us westerners for years, all the while trying to slowly change our laws and customs, claiming religous freedom. they hate western culture and western laws, due to the fact that they keep imposing their own rules, instead of imbracing ours. it is still baffleing why westerners don't see this.
this is why religion is dangerous and should be feared. it is the ultimate mind control. c,mon...hundreds of millions of people bowing five times a day to pray? NOW THAT'S CONTROL!!!! no free-thinking allowed, no logic involved, crictical thinking punished.

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[edit on 29-6-2009 by jimmyx]

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
The jewish commnunity can do this also, whats the problem, how is it effecting you?

If your not from that part of the community it wont apply to you. Stop spreading fear about Muslims

Uhh, but EVEN IF YOU ARE part of that community, it SHOULD NOT affect you.

Therein lies the concern, I believe.

Originally posted by Solomons
Lets make one thing clear,it is for domestic issues...british law still reigns supreme.It is simply giving muslims some leeway in the courts like jewish law already has in Britain.And the daily mail...who wudda thunk it

[edit on 29-6-2009 by Solomons]

That's the same issue in Australia. The sharia courts would be only for laws applicable within islam, and that do not conflict with the law of Australia. Australian law would overrule any law involving rape, subjugation, discrimination, et al.

And up and until this is forced on members of the muslim community who do not wish to participate in this, I have no objection to it. It's not different, really, to a family setting rules on their children - no drinking, no staying out after 10pm, no boyfriends sleeping over, etc..

But - and I stress the BUT - if it starts to impinge on an individual because of their faith, who otherwise wishes not to adhere to sharia law, THEN I will really dismiss it as a corruption of the freedoms our societies offer.

2c w/ change.

Originally posted by sueloujo
If you live in a country..you abide by the laws of that country. We all have to do it....no grey areas. If you dont like the laws of that country..then go back home.

I hope Im not reiterating what others may have already said, but...

It would not overrule the laws governing the host country.

It would be for domestic matters where it would be optional to take it to a legal status within the host country.

The laws of the country would still be the overruling status in criminal activity, and not overrules by these courts.

At least, this is how it is pandered to the Australian people. Hard to argue with it, but we also have Aboriginal tribal law, that DOES outweigh the legal laws put in place here.. oO

I think I'll read the thread before posting more, incase I am indeed repeating the sentiments of others, OR the thread derails into something different where my posts would not offer anything to the topic at hand.



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So many people complaining about Sharia law without even understanding British law. How can you comment on any law if you don't even understand your own?

Originally posted by symmetricAvenger

Originally posted by Laurauk
Everyone knew this was happening in the UK. Most have just decided to turn a blind eye. Oh we do not want to discriminate against muslims, lets have a muti cultural PC Brigade society, and bring this law through the backdoor.

Sadly this is what has happenned. Thanks to this Labour GOV. By the time we get rid of them it will be too late to do anything about it

there... let me show you how it sounds to someone with an IQ

Who is that? You don't mean.... Noo.. surely not..

lets get rid of the damn Muslims before its to late!!! ...

THEM would imply the people being talking about in this thread...

who is THEM? the Muslims or just anyone you have been brainwashed to hate?

Lets see.

Thanks to this Labour GOV. By the time we get rid of them it will be too late to do anything about it

Ahh, to the one with no IQ, it appears the them is in direct relation to the subject of the preceding statement. IE; the Labour GOV.

Are they in this thread? Wow, they probably are, come to think of it, at least in part.. Nothing precludes a member of government from joining the forums, I suppose.

And the bbc only STREAMS sessions of PARLIAMENT..with your lack of understanding or willingness to READ. what is the point?

^^

Why do they call them courts if they are arbitration bodies, and not courts?

Why not call them arbitration boards or something to that effect?

As for the concept of following the same set of laws, if they follow the same set of laws, then there is no need for them. By definition of their existence, there are two flavors of justice now in operation in Brittain, handing out different decisions.

One class of justice is based upon religious belief, and the other is for the non-believers.

Once you establish a religious cast system, it is not good to be a non-believer among a minority of non-believers with a seperate justice applied to your caste.

You should immediately begin praying to Allah for mercy! Allah is merciful!


[edit on 30-6-2009 by Cyberbian]

we talk about muslims fitting in with British Culture? But what is British Culture?
Im British, but not sure I consider i totally fit into British Culture. So when we say, people must take on the culture of Britain. What do we expect. The women start wearing short skirts, binge drink at weekends and going to the bingo!

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
we talk about muslims fitting in with British Culture? But what is British Culture?
Im British, but not sure I consider i totally fit into British Culture. So when we say, people must take on the culture of Britain. What do we expect. The women start wearing short skirts, binge drink at weekends and going to the bingo!

To fit into the culture is to be like, anyone of any other race or religion who has emmigrated to Brittain in any prior wave of emmigration in Brittain's history. It is that simple.

I only know of one other example of "Seperate but Equal" in the history of nations. It did not work out so well. It was the black man in America.

Seperate but equal will split your nation like like a mellon dropped from a roof.

Originally posted by Cyberbian
Why do they call them courts if they are arbitration bodies, and not courts?

Why not call them arbitration boards or something to that effect?

As for the concept of following the same set of laws, if they follow the same set of laws, then there is no need for them. By definition of their existence, there are two flavors of justice now in operation in Brittain, handing out different decisions.

One class of justice is based upon religious belief, and the other is for the non-believers.

Once you establish a religious cast system, it is not good to be a non-believer among a minority of non-believers with a seperate justice applied to your caste.

You should immediately begin praying to Allah for mercy! Allah is merciful!


[edit on 30-6-2009 by Cyberbian]

If your worried about names. Some of them are called mosque committees. There are not two flavours of laws in the UK as I explained in my earlier post, these bodies operate within the bounds of English law and are subservient to it. Would you ban Industrial relations tribunals? Family Conciliation Panels? Employment Tribunals?