Britain has 85 sharia courts: The astonishing spread of the Islamic justice behind closed doors , page 7
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reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 04:54 AM by Laurauk
reply to post by Freeborn



Thank you for your civil responce Freeborn.

That is what I fear is going to happen in this country,Conflict will arise due to allowing religions to use thier on laws in closed courts. And do not tell me that this has not happened before it has, look at the recent riots downinengland between whites and asian. Even look at scotland, orbetter still northern ireland wehre recen events conflict has arisin, not due to religion, but of racism.

The country is going downhill.

This needs nipped in the bud before it ges outof control.



reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 07:00 AM by neformore
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Originally posted by Laurauk
reply to
post by neformore



So it is fine, if Muslim females do not have a say in the matter, It is okay for females to feel that thier rights are not being heard in these so called courts?


Who said its fine? I didn't.

If any party involved in arbitration does not feel they are being treated fairly the matter can be referred to the main legal system. Simple as that. Thats the same for every single person in the country that goes through arbitration.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.




reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 07:04 AM by Freeborn
reply to post by Nammu



Because most British Jews have been here for centuries, there was no such thing as israel when their ancestors came here!

Oh, and because they don't want to forcibly convert me to their religion and to brutalise women and they don't go around criticising the armed forces of this country, they don't turn a blind eye to those who try to blow me and my countrymen up, they don't want to turn this country into a replica of the backwater #hole they came from.

To be perfectly honest the list is endless.


reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 07:13 AM by badw0lf
reply to post by neformore



This is the concept being lost in translation I think..




reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 07:19 AM by badw0lf
reply to post by Foppezao



??? What does a community going to a gathering of their own in order to determine the outcome of something that is not illegal in your country, but only relevant to their own community, have to do with taking over a public restaurant and nicking off with the sweets?

RED SKY RED SKY!!!!!!1



reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 07:28 AM by Foppezao
Originally posted by badw0lf
reply to
post by Foppezao



??? What does a community going to a gathering of their own in order to determine the outcome of something that is not illegal in your country, but only relevant to their own community, have to do with taking over a public restaurant and nicking off with the sweets?

RED SKY RED SKY!!!!!!1




It was a metaphor [but really happenend]
If i was the hotel owner or chef i wouldnt allowed that since, most of the budget is spend on food[they drink me rich, they eat me poor ], and actually in most parts of France it is forbidden to picknick at a restaurant..which should be normal...
but back on topic.
It scars me this is happening next door to me, and it shouldnt happen at all in the EU..Domestic issues should not be judged by an Imam or mullah, we have a written constitution and i know the Uk only has a partly written constitution and part common law, those Sharia laws should not be part of that common law, and the written constitution or jurisprudence should make that clear...

[edit on 30-6-2009 by Foppezao]


reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 07:32 AM by neformore
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Arbitration Act 1996


1 General principles

The provisions of this Part are founded on the following principles, and shall be construed accordingly—

(a) the object of arbitration is to obtain the fair resolution of disputes by an impartial tribunal without unnecessary delay or expense;

(b) the parties should be free to agree how their disputes are resolved, subject only to such safeguards as are necessary in the public interest;

(c) in matters governed by this Part the court should not intervene except as provided by this Part.


This is the legislation the idea is based around.

And what the bold is saying is that, where a decision is not in the public interest - ie contrary to British Law - then the "court" can interevene.

And for completenesses sake


105 Meaning of “the court”: jurisdiction of High Court and county court

(1) In this Act “the court” means the High Court or a county court, subject to the following provisions.

(2) The Lord Chancellor may by order make provision—

(a) allocating proceedings under this Act to the High Court or to county courts; or

(b) specifying proceedings under this Act which may be commenced or taken only in the High Court or in a county court.


People just seem to want to stigmatise this, and scream that its about "sharia and dem muslims" but in actual fact anyone in the UK with a dispute can follow these procedures - and if you've ever wondered why professional sports people such as footballers can get away with acting like common thugs when they are at work without being arrested for GBH all the time, its because the legal system defers to the FA in such matters as an arbitary body recognised as the lead in its field in order to punish the players involved unless the CPS and the Police see fit to prosecute

When a criminal action takes place, the established British Law always takes precedence.

I realise that I'm probably blowing smoke in the wind trying to explain this, but right now there are a whole rack of threads from people trying to deny the holocaust on ATS, and blaming the jews for all the worlds evils and what people don't understand is that its the kind of hysteria, xenophobia and lack of understanding that we're seeing in threads like this that caused an event like the holocaust to happen in the first place.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


[edit on 30/6/09 by neformore]


reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 07:37 AM by Freeborn
reply to post by neformore



Did you read the article about Muslim women being 'put under undue pressure' to agree with Sharia Court proceedings and decisions.

I know you are not too naive to understand exactly what that means Nef.

And these women feel they have no alternative but to accept it because we have sanctioned these courts.

It is the thin end of a barbaric wedge, we should not allow religion to govern any form of law.

One law, fair and just, for all!
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