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Britain has 85 sharia courts: The astonishing spread of the Islamic justice behind closed doors

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posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 04:46 AM
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The concern is that this is the thin edge of the wedge.
Some, if not all, proponents of Sharia Law beleive it is their duty to impose ALL aspects of Sharia Law upon everyone.

Jews do not wish convert us all to Jewry, (uncertain if that is the correct terminology).
Sikhs or Hindu's do not want to convert us all to their religions.

Do we allow the same rights to followers of other religions?

And the other major issue with Sharia is the place and role of women within it.
Apparently a disproportionate number of cases dealt with by these Sharia Courts have concerned matters of divorce and custody.
We all know that a women's rights are judged as half of that of a man's within Sharia.

Please take the time to read the whole report.
www.christian.org.uk...

However, on a positive note, maybe, just maybe, things are changing for the better??
www.religionnewsblog.com...

I also think it is fair to compare British society and Law with countries that practice Sharia based law because many, if not all, advocates wish to replicate such societies here, regardless of our wishes.
Of course this will not happen.
But it will lead to much conflict.
Let's nip this in the bud now!

One law, fair and just for all!
pretty simple really.




posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 04:49 AM
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I think these Sharia Law courts were inevitable as Britain has buried it's head in the sand regarding Polygamy and the cultural set up of Islamic families.

What laws there are , are conflicted and confusing.

For instance, Polygamy is illegal and yet with Social Security and the distribution of welfare funds, these marriages and the children who are born into them are acknowledged and paid for.

I can only imagine the absolute legal nightmare of trying to work out alimony, child support, divorce and other issues regarding these marriages via British law.

It's all a dogs breakfast because cultural protectionsism rather than integration has been the order of the day in most countries where Muslims have migrated to.
No one wants to tackle the issue head on and so these people have used the opportunity to not only keep their cultural and lifestyles from the homeland intact without having to conform, but now also their legal system.

It's not surprising really, it was all inevitable. IMO



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 04:54 AM
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Thank you for your civil responce Freeborn.

That is what I fear is going to happen in this country,Conflict will arise due to allowing religions to use thier on laws in closed courts. And do not tell me that this has not happened before it has, look at the recent riots downinengland between whites and asian. Even look at scotland, orbetter still northern ireland wehre recen events conflict has arisin, not due to religion, but of racism.

The country is going downhill.

This needs nipped in the bud before it ges outof control.



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 05:12 AM
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To the people who think this does not concern them
To the people who fail to see the harm in this

What happens when there is a conflict of laws?

Shall we wait to address that issue when it raises its ugly head?

British Law is not a choice, it's part of being British. It has it's own rules and regulations.

You scream and shout when the government push through a law you don't like, but, hey it's OK if Islamics and Muslims decide to have their own laws to obey.
How about if I started going around enforcing my laws? You'd be against that wouldn't you?

You want Sharia law, go and find a country that already has it.
You want British law, live in Britain
You want American law, live in America
if you can't see the pattern forming, then you have your eyes closed



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 06:45 AM
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I'm getting bored hearing about what the Muslims are upto in this Country.... why have they bought their mosques and laws over here? This is Britain and i'm getting pis sed! Too many here now walking around in their dresses.... I say if you want to pray in mosques then go back home and do it.... if you want your courst then go back home and have them.....

I'm sick to death of it!

NB I'm not rascist..... just adding my views! Or at least i never used to have a rascist bone in my body but these people are starting to rile me.....

What will be next?



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 06:46 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
The jewish commnunity can do this also, whats the problem, how is it effecting you?

If your not from that part of the community it wont apply to you. Stop spreading fear about Muslims


True indeed, although certain members enjoy highlighting this fact over and over again in an attempt to show how Jews apparently want "special treatment." It will be interesting to see if these same people object to these findings or dismiss them as fair because the religion involved happens to be Islam.

Of course if this story were about the large number of Christian courts, there would be protests, jokes, parodies and anything else that degrades the name of Christianity.



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 06:51 AM
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Originally posted by Daisy-Lola
You want Sharia law, go and find a country that already has it.
You want British law, live in Britain
You want American law, live in America
if you can't see the pattern forming, then you have your eyes closed


So you're demanding all the Jews go back to Israel then? Why has no one had a problem with Jewish law and courts being used in Britain for all this time, then suddenly crack up because Muslims get the same?



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 07:00 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



Originally posted by Laurauk
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So it is fine, if Muslim females do not have a say in the matter, It is okay for females to feel that thier rights are not being heard in these so called courts?


Who said its fine? I didn't.

If any party involved in arbitration does not feel they are being treated fairly the matter can be referred to the main legal system. Simple as that. Thats the same for every single person in the country that goes through arbitration.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 07:02 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



Originally posted by Daisy-Lola
British Law is not a choice, it's part of being British. It has it's own rules and regulations.


Yes.

And allowing arbitration between parties is one of them.





As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 07:03 AM
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First of all this issue was adressed by the thinktank Civitas.The Daily Mail just printed the news, just like most of the newspapers in the Benelux..
And precisely because its about domestic issues this is dangerous, it is in that sphere where the women is inferior to the man according to most Sharia laws..disputes between neighbours is another thing, but normal courts should be the only ones to speak about domestic issues, it is exactly that sphere where we should begin by integrating those people in our community, not isolate them!..
We really underestimate the power of those mullah's and imam's in their communities, and how they speak about us natives, about women, about gay peope and so on[we had a imam here who preached how muslims should throw gay men from the top of a building with their face to the ground]...whether they[the imams the responsible] 're born in here in the EU or not, most of the time they dont speak our language and have two passports..
Very simple just take the EU passport and throw 'em out, it is that simple...



[edit on 30-6-2009 by Foppezao]



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 07:04 AM
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Because most British Jews have been here for centuries, there was no such thing as israel when their ancestors came here!

Oh, and because they don't want to forcibly convert me to their religion and to brutalise women and they don't go around criticising the armed forces of this country, they don't turn a blind eye to those who try to blow me and my countrymen up, they don't want to turn this country into a replica of the backwater #hole they came from.

To be perfectly honest the list is endless.



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 07:09 AM
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Wow what a thread.

Look, people using this as an excuse to 'attack' islam and say go home, you're doing NO ONE a favour.

It serves to only create a further divide between everyone.

This is *NOT* the way to prevent an infiltration of islamic laws that become enshrined in the current legal system, all you are doing is making people think "Hey these people arent even reading or listening to what is said, they are clueless!" and forcing eyes shut when there is indeed, IMO, a problem we should consider.

Again - that is my honest opinion, because ever so slightly I do see how "WE" cater to others over ourselves, but Im not bringing this up outside of this thread, and so my opinion here is not the point - just to preempt that.

You are no less humming the x-files theme while asking people to believe in UFO's.

Sharai law is not something I agree with. But this is not enforcing sharia law on the public. Nor is it enforcing it on individuals - YET.

Sure, there is a slippery slope, but until something stands out, you cannot berate a separate groups own lifestyle. As long as they abide by the laws of the land and do not seek to evade current laws, what is the problem?

Once this becomes a "We have our own laws, your British laws are pointless!" then I will agree. Same as here in Aus.

But please, do not paint the sky red yet. It darkens the sun for us all.




posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 07:11 AM
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And we should make no exception for jewish courts either..They also like to do things on their own its ridiculous some times..Was in a Hotel in Lille some time ago and they just claimed a part of the Hotel with their own Kosher cook and stuff making their own meales..But hey when we got desserts at the buffet they suddenly wanted some as well and took most of our desserts on a big plate and got away to their own "enclave"

I tell everybody in the Hotel was friggin' pissed...

Now how's that for a metaphor



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 07:13 AM
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This is the concept being lost in translation I think..




posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 07:19 AM
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??? What does a community going to a gathering of their own in order to determine the outcome of something that is not illegal in your country, but only relevant to their own community, have to do with taking over a public restaurant and nicking off with the sweets?

RED SKY RED SKY!!!!!!1



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 07:19 AM
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If we were to go on holiday over to an Islamic country and walk through the streets with shorts and no top on during the hot months what would happen? If the women went out in their bikinis on the streets what would happen?

We have all seen the latest demonstrations in Iran.... what do you think they are demonstrating about? The people are fed-up!!

I thought the people of those country's wanted out of those country's to get away from those rulers and laws not to bring it all over to other country's who don't want it and never will want it.........

All this stuff is only stoking the fires..... i can see big problems arising in the future!!!!

And before you start harping on about allowing other relions to do certain things..... these religions are mainly within the law and don't go about spouting their mouths and berating the people & country who have let them in.....

[edit on 30-6-2009 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
If we were to go on holiday over to an Islamic country


Then as a good citizen knowing the laws of their land and understanding their culture, you would abide by their laws and rules.

Or why the effing hell would you go there?




posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by badw0lf
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??? What does a community going to a gathering of their own in order to determine the outcome of something that is not illegal in your country, but only relevant to their own community, have to do with taking over a public restaurant and nicking off with the sweets?

RED SKY RED SKY!!!!!!1




It was a metaphor
[but really happenend]
If i was the hotel owner or chef i wouldnt allowed that since, most of the budget is spend on food[they drink me rich, they eat me poor
], and actually in most parts of France it is forbidden to picknick at a restaurant..which should be normal...
but back on topic.
It scars me this is happening next door to me, and it shouldnt happen at all in the EU..Domestic issues should not be judged by an Imam or mullah, we have a written constitution and i know the Uk only has a partly written constitution and part common law, those Sharia laws should not be part of that common law, and the written constitution or jurisprudence should make that clear...

[edit on 30-6-2009 by Foppezao]



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 07:32 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Arbitration Act 1996



1 General principles

The provisions of this Part are founded on the following principles, and shall be construed accordingly—

(a) the object of arbitration is to obtain the fair resolution of disputes by an impartial tribunal without unnecessary delay or expense;

(b) the parties should be free to agree how their disputes are resolved, subject only to such safeguards as are necessary in the public interest;

(c) in matters governed by this Part the court should not intervene except as provided by this Part.


This is the legislation the idea is based around.

And what the bold is saying is that, where a decision is not in the public interest - ie contrary to British Law - then the "court" can interevene.

And for completenesses sake



105 Meaning of “the court”: jurisdiction of High Court and county court

(1) In this Act “the court” means the High Court or a county court, subject to the following provisions.

(2) The Lord Chancellor may by order make provision—

(a) allocating proceedings under this Act to the High Court or to county courts; or

(b) specifying proceedings under this Act which may be commenced or taken only in the High Court or in a county court.


People just seem to want to stigmatise this, and scream that its about "sharia and dem muslims" but in actual fact anyone in the UK with a dispute can follow these procedures - and if you've ever wondered why professional sports people such as footballers can get away with acting like common thugs when they are at work without being arrested for GBH all the time, its because the legal system defers to the FA in such matters as an arbitary body recognised as the lead in its field in order to punish the players involved unless the CPS and the Police see fit to prosecute

When a criminal action takes place, the established British Law always takes precedence.

I realise that I'm probably blowing smoke in the wind trying to explain this, but right now there are a whole rack of threads from people trying to deny the holocaust on ATS, and blaming the jews for all the worlds evils and what people don't understand is that its the kind of hysteria, xenophobia and lack of understanding that we're seeing in threads like this that caused an event like the holocaust to happen in the first place.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


[edit on 30/6/09 by neformore]



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 07:37 AM
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Did you read the article about Muslim women being 'put under undue pressure' to agree with Sharia Court proceedings and decisions.

I know you are not too naive to understand exactly what that means Nef.

And these women feel they have no alternative but to accept it because we have sanctioned these courts.

It is the thin end of a barbaric wedge, we should not allow religion to govern any form of law.

One law, fair and just, for all!




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