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Obama's Healthcare Plan = Nazi Eugenics Plan?

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posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 08:45 AM
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This was posted on Infowars.com.

www.infowars.com...

I am going to have to do a little more digging and reading to verify for myself what this guy is saying. None the less quite scary indeed. Not to mention this proposed health care plan will cost 1.5 trillion. That would essentially mean we would have to double our income taxes to pay for it.

I do know already the regulations that the Federal Gov. has imposed has cost the healthcare industry billions and has made it much more inefficient such as digitizing all medical records. There was standard set forth so now everyone has digital records on the computer that other doctors and hospitals may or may not be able to read after spending billions on new IT infrastructure to store them.

Anyways here is this video... what do yall think?





posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 09:58 AM
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This thread is a foregone conclusion for like minded individuals... We the People already saw this coming!

Remember the thread on the Progressives?

Eugenics are so obvious at this point, it's moot that it came from Alex Jones for the source of the OP.

S+F for keeping the truth about this important issue in the spotlight, "AA"!

Too bad ATS is a digital graveyard on summer weekends!



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 10:59 AM
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S&F!!! I just saw this last night and I could not believe what I was seeing. I just keep hoping this fellow , Burgermeister and the man who reported on RT about the swine flu do not vanish or get silenced. I just keep hoping more sheeple wake up and give their heads a shake.

Edit : several typos

[edit on 27-6-2009 by Solar.Absolution]



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 11:50 AM
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The speaker is insane.

The Obama administration has proposed a plan to provide HEALTH INSURANCE for ALL Americans.

There may be cuts in medicare and medicaid but the poor and elderly will still have coverage, through their universal health insurance.

The proposal is to provide HEALTH INSURANCE, not to directly administer health care.

The base of Obama's support is largely made up of the less affluent members of society. Far from neglecting them, he is expanding their benefits.

What on earth would possess anyone to accuse him of practicing eugenics?



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 11:59 AM
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reply to post by Sestias
 


I fear you have not began to actually study and read what Obama's healthcare plan is.

I suppose you could just take his word for it right? I mean because he has followed through with all of his promises...
Definitely no one who works for him with any special interests.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 12:26 PM
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You left out that illegal aliens will be covered as well
People seem to forget that elderly people have been PAYING FOR YEARS
so now they get to suffer for their remaining years or commit assited suicide so illegals can get healthcare
This, along with the recent and upcoming hailstorm of, of idk what all to call it but this is eugenics for America



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 01:24 PM
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I am trying to find more information about the video, but I'm not having much luck.

Where and when was this testimony given? And to whom?

LPAC TV is, of course, the Lyndon LaRouche Political Action Committee, which should give us some pause to think. I searched their site to try to find this particular video, but was unable to find it.

So where and when and whom? Any one know?

*Copy of my post in the other thread*



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 02:23 PM
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The base of Obama's support is largely made up of the less affluent members of society. Far from neglecting them, he is expanding their benefits.


You mean people like Bill Gates, Colin Powell, Bill Clinton, Warren Buffet, Oprah Winfrey, Ceo of General Electric, Al Gore and George Soros????????? Let's not forget all the less affluent people on ABC, MSNBC, CNN, BET, and MTV. Obama received 51% of the american vote, are all these people less affluent than the other 49%? If a revolution happens in this country, YOU BETTER HOPE NOT!!!



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 02:41 PM
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I don't know about this. Although Obama's healthcare plan is highly flawed, comparing all this to Nazi Germany is a bit EXTREME...IMO



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 03:59 PM
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What the administration needs to do is bypass the greedy insurance profiteers who are the middle men and go between the patient and the care giver. Executives at many of these insurance outfits make more than 400 times what the average worker makes and you call that efficient?

The present system costs us far more many times over than most industrial societies and gives us a product that is substandard measured in increased infant mortality rates, decreased life expectancy and works to block care to more than 40,000,000 of our CITIZENS. Moreover, another 100,000,000 or so are under insured.

So we pay more and get less. When you measure our present horrible system against any other socialized medical system anywhere in the world we don't get the same bang for the buck.

Eugenics has nothing to do with it whatsoever. Why hang on to a broken system

Time to pour out the cool-aide and move on!



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 04:12 PM
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In Obama's infomercial on ABC he said that people would have to be "evaluated in a case by case basis" and that in some cases people would be better off to take pain pills and not have surgery.

Health care reform will mean quite frankly that treatment will be denied based on a person's "viability" ... Age, overall health condition, and contribution to society will be factors in that evaluation.

Many people who would be healed from chronic conditions and injuries may be given pain pills and sent home to die.

Look, they have to cut costs, these are the only ways they can do it.

It may not matter to you now, but it will when it happens to someone you care about, or to YOU... But it will likely be to late.. You can bitch and moan all you want, if this health care reform passes you will not be able to fight the bureaucracy.

Take your pills and die!

BTW, several pages in the health care reform plan are going to exempt the members of congress and top government officials and their families from this health care reform plan.

Think about that for a while.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 04:39 PM
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Yada yada yada, compare Obama to Hitler and America to Nazi Germany, yada yada. Yes, that'll convert the non-insane people to your cause. The world is a screwed up place as it is, why do people feel the need to sensationalize things to the point that they lose all credibility? Obama's health care plan has flaws. There are things in there that I strongly disagree with. Comparing it to the nazi eugenics does a disservice to anyone who disagrees with it. The more exaggerated the claims get, the more it proves how some people have completely lost touch with reality. It also pushes the die hard believers further into their belief because the only other option they see before them are the crazy extremist lunatics under the Fox news banner.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 04:46 PM
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We are already having to fight the corporate bureaucracy. Get ready for this same bureaucracy made up of the medical elite, big pharma, and big insurance to pour $ Billions into a propaganda campaign to convince you that the big fat pigs in these huge corporations can provide health care better. It's like a giant huge welfare check given to them and the shareholders, and meanwhile the American people are getting screwed.

We need a uniform health system that is single payer and covers all. We need a system that bars profiteers like big corporate insurance and health management bureaucracies from getting in between the patient and the caregiver and driving up costs.

It's been said that the definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing but expecting different results. The reality is that the "free market" system does not, will not, and has no intention of offering health care to all. Moreover, what it does offer to those fortunate enough, is substandard and extremely costly when compared to other systems we see in Europe and around the world.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 05:01 PM
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If you want to do eugenics, eliminate the intellectuals not the the poor or sick. Those will be put to work.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 05:04 PM
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I believe it is time for the mass media to receive a "cease and desist" order to stop the spread of dis-information.

As Dick Durban said recently "The banks own the place".

I was impressed to hear a politician tell the truth.

It could be seen as a revelation to the pending Revolution.

"The International" was an interesting recent movie for the times. Your going to need to keep your finger on the pause button. Too much to say in so little time with a limited budget.

The International (synopsis)

I suppose that after the 'flu' season this Fall, with the help of a few hurricanes and tornados and such, there will be much less old folk around to apply for those health care benefits.

Seems like a rational 'Design' by a demented lunatic though what did you expect from the NWO crowd? They have had enough of 'you people' messing with their planet.

They would have you believe that you polluted your planet rather than their polluting factories that profited from it. When you control the media, you control the perception. The 'peoples' perception seems a bit skewed, No? Their simply told what to think and how to respond.

It is time for the Shephards to tend the wolves. It is time to bring the Dogs out.

[edit on 27-6-2009 by Perseus Apex]



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 05:09 PM
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I'll save these words in the event that the current health care plan is passed, it will be interesting to revisit this when ALL of the details are laid out.

The Obama health care plan is going to have to cut costs my friend, in fact it is more about doing just that, not necessarily providing quality care for EVERYONE... which is impossible without massive deficit spending increases. Either they raise taxes in BIG way to fund their plans, or they control the care that is provided to everyone by cutting costs... which frankly means that to save money "costly procedures and treatments" will be denied and people WILL DIE!

It may not be eugenics, but in the end the results will be similar.

You had better start praying now that you do not get some kind of condition that requires a treatment that will be denied as "cost prohibitive" after this plan passes.

Members of the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the government will be exempt from the health care plans.

If they plan to be exempt from something they plan to force on the people then that alone should raise serious questions about the plan.

I guess we will have to wait and see what they come up with ultimately and if it passes.

If our health care system is so badly broken, why do people come from all over the world here for medical treatments that they cannot get in their own countries?

If it is so bad then why do the polls show that the majority of Americans are satisfied with their current health care plans?

It is not broken, perhaps changes need to be made, but we have the best health care system in the world.

What the Obama administration needs, wants is more power, by taking control of the health care industry, the banks, the auto industry, financial institutions, along with cap and trade will mean that this government will have ultimate power over everything.... Is that something you really want?

With that kind of power there will be no stopping them, and our constitution will be worthless... They are over half way there at this point, just a few more legislative items to pass and you can forget your American dreams because you will become a socialist citizen of the world!

Careful what you wish for.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 05:10 PM
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This is absolutely horrible stuff.

Thankfully I've gotten to the point where I just sorta' laugh at the sensationalism coming from Alex Jones.
The guy speaking? Probably pissed that at the idea that Socialized Medical Care inevitably leads to Doctor's making less money.
Trying to alarm people into rejecting what is a good thing.

Stuff would hit the fan in a very, very big way if any of this were true.
People would revolt.

I mean, what happened to that Bird Flu that Alex Jones was screaming about a little while back? Remember, how some company mixed the bird flu with a common flu strain and ignorantly told people they were out to kill them in spite of the fact that you can't just blend viruses together?

Sure, socialized care must have the goal of lowering costs. Which leads to degraded care, but I doubt our friends up in Canada believe the Government is actually killing them off.
Jesus Christ.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 05:11 PM
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I doubt they are going to tell me I can't have an MRI done.

And if they do, I'll just go somewhere else to get it.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by Walkswithfish
 


I doubt they are going to tell me I can't have an MRI done.

And if they do, I'll just go somewhere else to get it.


Where will you go?

Canada?

You fail to understand the size and power of the federal government and the bureaucracy they will have in place over health care.

Why do you think people come here from Canada and Europe where they have socialized health care?

They do that because the CANT GET treatment in their own countries... They were either denied treatment, or forced to wait for too long.

I suggest you go get your MRI now before the changes take place.




posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 05:22 PM
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Jeez, like this is much different from what is going on now? Poor people die everyday cause they don't have money to be treated. They die sitting in Emergency rooms in county hospitals waiting for care.

Those that do have insurance get denied life saving procedures. I remember the case last year of the California girl who needed a heart transplant that Aetna denied because it was "experimental". They finally decided it wasn't, but too late for the poor girl because she died. By denying her life-saving care, the insurance companies basically committed Euthanasia.

I find it very difficult that people are already saying things such as this for the proposed health care plan, because quite frankly it hasn't even been written. I am more of proponent for single payer system, that what is being proposed, but it's better than what we have.

I've watched C-Span and the debate going on in conference. So far, the only limitations on care that have been proposed were submitted by Republicans. The thing is that the Republicans limitations on care are being put in amendments that seem to be good ideas on the surface. It is very interesting to watch, very interesting indeed.

The health industry is a very very powerful lobbyist. I think it should cause more alarm that the people who run the business of making us well, are more concerned about their obscene profits. In 2008, Cigna profited 19B, Aetna 31B. And they don't cover everyone.




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