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Are you arguing about the numbers killed...even a million is too many.
If the number of victims did not matter, there would be no reason for making it a taboo or even go so far as to protect it by laws, as it happens in several European nations. Apparently, there is more behind this figure of six million than just the sum of the individual fates of the people involved. It has become a symbol which must not be abandoned, because any justified doubts about this number would quickly lead to more undesirable questions into other aspects of the Holocaust. It is absolutely dumbfounding that, on the one hand, anyone who questions this figure of 6 million victims is made an intellectual outcast or will even suffer legal persecution, whereas, on the other hand, whenever valid arguments against this figure are raised, society and even judges will sound a retreat, claiming that precise figures are not the point and insisting on the criminal character of even a single victim. Is this figure of six million a legal yardstick or is it of no importance? It cannot be both.
What is your real agenda?
The question really shouldn't be why do we make a big deal out of the holocaust, but why don't we make as big a deal out of every genocide.
It's like saying you feel sorry for a serial killer because he got caught and you are arguing the he be let free because you think the body count is too high even though it proven beyond a doubt that he killed people.
An analysis of the proceedings of the Nuremberg Tribunal tells us that the figure of six million Jewish victims was based neither on statistical evidence from census data nor on the results of an investigation into the material evidence connected to the crimes, but merely on hear-say statements given by two German SS-bureaucrats. One of these statements, given by Wilhelm Höttl was produced only in writing; the other, coming from Dieter Wisliceny was given by the witness in court. However, Wisliceny was never cross-examined. Both witnesses assert to have heard the figure of six million mentioned by Adolf Eichmann, but the latter denied this during his own trial at Jerusalem in 1961. In a monograph on the Nuremberg Tribunal he published in 1996, David Irving,now black-balled because of his controversial ideas, wondered about some Zionist leaders who were able, in June 1945, immediately after the cessation of hostilities in Europe, to come up in Washington with a precise figure for the Jewish victims – 6 million, of course – even though it was plainly impossible to do any kind of census work in the chaotic conditions prevailing in Europe at that time. A year earlier than Irving, the German historian Joachim Hoffmann who had worked for decades in the German Federal Research Office for Military History, noticed that Ilya Ehrenburg, the chief atrocity specialist of the Soviets, had published the figure of six million in the Soviet foreign language press24 as early as December 1944, more than four months before the war came to an end. In May 1944, Zionist activist Rabbi Dov Weissmandel stated that up to that month six million Jews of Europe and Russia had been annihilated
From about 1915 onwards, various American newspapers, especially the New York Times, reported that the Jews in central and New York Times, May 7, 1920: “[…] Jewish war sufferers in Central and Eastern Europe, where six millions face horrifying conditions of famine, disease and death […].” New York Times, May 5, 1920, p. 9: “To save six million men and women in Eastern Europe form extermination by hunger and disease.” New York Times, May 5, 1920, p. 19: “Six million starving, fever-stricken sufferers in war-torn Europe appeal to us […]” New York Times, May 3, 1920, p. 11: “Your help is needed to save the lives of six million people in Eastern and Central Europe.” New York Times, May 3, 1920, p. 12: “In Russia and the neighboring countries the Jews have been subject to a particularly malignant persecution […]. It is estimated that more than five millions are actually starving or on the verge of starvation, and a virulent typhus epidemic is raging among them and is already spreading among neighboring populations.” New York Times, May 2, 1920, p. 1: “Six million human beings, without food, shelter, clothing or medical treatment.” New York Times, May 1, 1920, p. 8: “But the lives of 6,000,000 human beings wait upon the answer.” New York Times, Apr. 21, 1920, p. 8: “In Europe there are today more than 5,000,000 Jews who are starving or on the verge of starvation, and many are in the grip of a virulent typhus epidemic.” New York Times, Dec. 3, 1919, p. 19: “nothing on earth except a miracle can prevent the death by freezing and starvation of from 5,000,000 to 10,000,000 people in Europe and the Middle East this winter […] atrocious Jewish massacre.” New York Times, Dec. 3, 1919, p. 24: “Five Million Face Famine in Poland […] The war has left 5,000,000 destitute and stricken Jews in Eastern Europe.” New York Times, Nov. 12, 1919, p. 7: “tragically unbelievable poverty, starvation and disease about 6,000,000 souls, or half the Jewish population of the earth […] a million children and […] five million parents and elders.” The American Hebrew, Oct. 31, 1919, pp. 582f.: “From across the sea, six million men and women call to us for help […] six million human beings. […] Six million men and women are dying […] in the threatened holocaust of human life […] six million famished men and women. Six million men and women are dying […]” New York Times, Oct. 26, 1919, p. 1: “4,000,000 Starving Jews of Eastern Europe.” New York Times, Sept. 29, 1919, p. 7: “tragically unbelievable poverty, starvation and disease about 6,000,000 souls, or half the Jewish population of the earth.” New York Times, Aug. 10, 1917: “Germans Let Jews Die. Women and Children in Warsaw Starving to Death […] Jewish mothers, mothers of mercy, feel happy to see their nursing babies die; at least they are through with their suffering.”
The earliest report found so far dates from the first year of the war: New York Times, Jan. 14, 1915, p. 3: “In the world today there are about 13,000,000 Jews, of whom more than 6,000,000 are in the heart of the war zone; Jews whose lives are at stake and who today are subjected to every manner of suffering and sorrow […].” In 1900, Rabbi Stephen Wise made the following statement before Jewish welfare organizations in the USA:33 “there are 6,000,000 living, bleeding, suffering arguments in favor of Zionism.”
Further more, one can not be pro holocaust. That's like saying you're pro morning or pro afternoon. These are times of the day that happen whether we want to believe it or not. The holocaust happened whether we want to believe it or not.
Originally posted by KRISKALI777
reply to post by amazing
Learn from the Cambodians. The rest of us whom had families involved and deceased within the great wars want to move on. Why on Earth cant the Jewish community? Oh I forgot- empathy is your tool.
Crying about what one ethnic group does or does not must take up a lot of your time. I'm glad that it does not take up my time. But back to the title of this thread. You cannot expect those like me to not come here and tell you that true ignorance is denying the holocaust.
You cannot expect those like me to not come here and tell you that true ignorance is denying the holocaust.
So its all about the jews then, isn't it?