Big Fat Lie: Overeating is a symptom, not the cause, of Obesity!, page 2
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reply posted on 24-6-2009 @ 07:51 PM by PrisonerOfSociety
Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd
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No, you get an award for being completely unoriginal and for realizing that your "hypothesis" hasn't worked for the past 50 years. It doesn't fit. Energy balance hypotheses are headed out the door.

-Dev


Cool, any award is a reward

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Mod Edit: snipped offensive and explicit content

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reply posted on 24-6-2009 @ 08:17 PM by DevolutionEvolvd
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That's funny. I would be careful posting videos like that though. Just a little advice since you're new and all. I liked it, but it's not exactly within T&C.

Saying people get fat because they eat too much is like saying Yao Ming grew so tall because he ate too much.

Aushwitz? Really? Have you any idea what Catabolism is?

The prisoners were confined to the rail cars, often for days or weeks, without food or water.

en.wikipedia.org...

Once again, overeating is a symptom of obesity. Overeating is also the result of consuming carbohydrates which cause cravings and ultimately causes one to eat more. And that "more" is usually carbohydrates.

-Dev


reply posted on 24-6-2009 @ 08:53 PM by PrisonerOfSociety
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Someone posted a video of a woman dying in Iran and dolphins been hacked to death, so i doubt they will mod my posted vid; if they do then it is a sad state of affairs 4 ATS and they are pandering to the wrong audience by continually censoring the slightest subjective infraction. Oops, i used the number 4 instead of 'for', does that mean this post will get deleted

Regarding your obesity = overeating statement, i'm confused. If you're fat, stop shovelling food in your mouth...it's not rocket science

Edit: typo

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reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 02:23 AM by DevolutionEvolvd
Originally posted by PrisonerOfSociety
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Someone posted a video of a woman dying in Iran and dolphins been hacked to death, so i doubt they will mod my posted vid; if they do then it is a sad state of affairs 4 ATS and they are pandering to the wrong audience by continually censoring the slightest subjective infraction. Oops, i used the number 4 instead of 'for', does that mean this post will get deleted


Reminder : ATS Is A Family Friendly Site

That's the only reason I brought it up. Content on the site as of late has been a little of the non family friendly nature. I like the video you posted but others might not think it's family friendly, is all. I love me some comedy. But remember, comedy doesn't equal reality.

Regarding your obesity = overeating statement, i'm confused. If you're fat, stop shovelling food in your mouth...it's not rocket science


Please review the material and/or watch the video to understand what I'm speaking of. It's not rocket science, as you've so bluntly stated, so think about it.

For the 3rd time, fat accumulation is not caused by overeating. The fatter you get the more you eat, not the other way around.

I appreciate your comments on the subject thus far; however, if you're going to argue/debate this with me, you should understand basic biochemistry, or at least read the material that is given in the OP, before trying to defend a baseless argument.

I respect your opinion, if you've even given one yet, but we are here to deny ignorance and your mockery of the subject is evidence that you are clueless as to the physiological effects that nutrients have on the body and it's basic functions to survive.

Reading the material before posting a rebuttal is crucial, otherwise, this discussion will go nowhere.

-Dev



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reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 04:02 AM by noonebutme
Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd
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No, you get an award for being completely unoriginal and for realizing that your "hypothesis" hasn't worked for the past 50 years. It doesn't fit. Energy balance hypotheses are headed out the door.

-Dev


I say b*llocks to that. I believe it is that simple.

Every time I've been overweight in my life it's because I was lazy and not exercising and eating too much - I was consuming too many calories and my body didn't need the energy, so my metabolism slowed and I packed on the weight. And granted some foods provide more colories than others, but even healthy food will still pack on weight if you aren't burning energy.

As soon as I got into a proper fitness regime (running, swimming, weight training) and lowered my colorie intake and then matched the calories to the energy i was spending, my weight dropped off and I was/am slim and trim.

I admit that everyone's bodytype and genetics are different and some people are more prone to weight gaining due to their body storing more energy than others, slower & faster metabolisms, etc.

But I think it really is that simple and it's worked for me; when I was overweight, when I was body building, when I was just staying trim.

For those 30 stone fatties that are bed ridden and moaning about being fat - you know the ones; they sit there eating 30 strips of bacon for breakies and whinge about being fat. Stop the massive calorie intake and get some basic exercise. The question is not whether it will work or not - it will. It's whether people *want* to do what is needed to lose the weight. Which usually means drastic changes to diet and lifestyle.

And in a society of plenty, few want to go without.


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 06:50 AM by ignorant_ape
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i can only offer my own ` case studdy ` as a rebuttal - but i regularly consume huge ` sugar spikes ` - typically 3 to 4 mars mars or a large block of kendal mint cake - far in excess of 50 gms sugars in one go - oh and topped off with fats and protiens too - typically a couple of peices of polish kabanos

and i have never had any weight gain ` issues `[ 5 foot 11 , , 68 kg , waiste 30" ]

maybee its because i wolf all that down while cold , wet and exhausted as a ` pick me up ` - while engaged in a full days caving , climbing or kyaking outing

its the idiots who waddle from thier hous to the car [ on the drive ] to mcdonals [ drive through ] and eat all that shiite before driving back home to the saftey of thier sofa who are having problems

i have also managed to LOOSE weight - while on a 6000 cal [ yup 6 thousand ] / day ` expedition diet ` - again never properly dry , warm or rested for 10 to 20 days

maybee i am ` spacial ` - but hey - why are all the freinds and associates who do the same sports as i ` special ` too ?


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 07:37 AM by tkwasny
Originally posted by king9072
I don't want to get too far into this cause I seriously do not want to look up the sources, but I know they exist and the facts have been around for a decade now.


When we are on low card, low fat diets, after a short period we certain chemical our body produces starts to get the impression that we are going through starvation. Reducing the amount of calories that are burned and feverishly attempts to store as much fat from what it intakes.

On these diets, this chemical dries up as we enter our "starvation" and the body quits shedding fat. But, the kicker is, is that you can restart the chemical by having a day of complex carb gorging. In fact, studies showed that people who stayed near starvation for several days, then had one day of complex carb gorging, maintained levels of this chemical similar to someone who was eating all the time everyday.

But noone should consider any form of 1 sided diet, if you truly want to lose weight and get healthy, it requires a multi-pronged attack of proper, balanced eating, as well as exercise. Anything that promises fast fat lose is either garbage, or dangerous to your long term health. It's also worth noting that most of these crash diets, that even on the small percentage that they work for, those people gain weight back rapidly as they return to prior habits.


Back in the '70's there was this thing called "controlled cheating" to do just that with the bio-chemical starvation imbalance created by 100% low carb>



reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 07:58 AM by Darth Lumina
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Sorry, I just don't have any pity for people who are the size of Gilbert Grapes mom, I really don't care if it hurts their feelings they need a reality check. A few extra pounds, fine whatever, but at least they can still get around. But those people who get that big, typically collect disability and welfare only to supplement their excessive eating habits and not have to work. There are some that have thyroid problems, fluid build up, yes there are medical reason for someone to get big, but not typically in the 400 and up range. You can blame anything you want, but none of those excuses fly by me.


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 08:22 AM by pieman
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the discussion isn't about weather or not you like fat people, frankly, no-one cares, that's why no one started a thread called "does darth lumina like fat people", the thread is about obesity and how the actual cause seems to have been misrepresented by the medical profession as overeating in general despite the bulk of evidence to suggest it is actually to do with the types of food eaten.

if the type of one size fits all medical advice given at the moment is actually wrong, utterly wrong, as shown by numerous instances outlined in the first ten minutes of the video, why is that such an issue for you?
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