Originally posted by Darth Lumina
To you my statement "fat little hands" might have been stupid and ignorant, but it is neither, I'm simply stating a fact.

Subjective values, ie opinions are not facts. Fat is a subjective value. Little is a subjective value. Hands are the only factual, non-subjective, element of that little quip as they are in fact standardized by common understanding.

Originally posted by Darth Lumina
As you might have noticed, I don't give a damn about PC, if someone's feelings are hurt by comments, then they should just lock themselves in a room and avoid all contact with the outside world.

So your desire to express a subjective opinion about a person is more important than their desire not to be objectified? In my world I call that selfish and conceited. Though that's my subjective opinion.

But it does express a reversal of values that is illogical to me.

I stay away from anything that is advertised as low fat or fake sugar and I am thin. The medical industry is a fraud. Tinfoil Kathy at Conspiracy Friend Finder.

AHHHH finally a subject I am an EXPERT on. I am overweight in fact I am clinically obese. And I can tell you for a FACT I am obese because I eat portions that are too large , I drink mostly soda all day and I am not active. Its true there are ingredients being added to foods and liquids that are harmful but that has nothing to do with all the chub you see walking around in America today. We are eating multiple servings everytime we sit down to grub and since most of us jump from our meal to a monitor the calories carbs fat salt and sugar just lingers in our body. I rarely sweat and i know thats the reason I am overweight. And believe me when I say I have friends who eat more than me and appear to be fit as fiddle. They spend more time outside moving around than I do. This should be common knowledge but apparently people have there heads so far up their or someone elses tush that they are simply ignorant and the slightest piece of everyday knowledge seems to be a revelation. The masses truely do sleep.

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Originally posted by TravelerintheDark

Originally posted by Darth Lumina
To you my statement "fat little hands" might have been stupid and ignorant, but it is neither, I'm simply stating a fact.

Subjective values, ie opinions are not facts. Fat is a subjective value. Little is a subjective value. Hands are the only factual, non-subjective, element of that little quip as they are in fact standardized by common understanding.

Originally posted by Darth Lumina
As you might have noticed, I don't give a damn about PC, if someone's feelings are hurt by comments, then they should just lock themselves in a room and avoid all contact with the outside world.

So your desire to express a subjective opinion about a person is more important than their desire not to be objectified? In my world I call that selfish and conceited. Though that's my subjective opinion.

But it does express a reversal of values that is illogical to me.

So you in your "subjective opinion", I'm selfish and conceited. What's the word for that, oh yeah, duh. I'm selfish and conceited, and rather proud of it. But that doesn't mean I don't care about people either. Answer me this, is it better to help someone by sugar coating things, or telling them straight up how it is? I prefer to tell them how it is, the truth hurts, but it's got to be done. When I gained weight, people started saying I was getting fat, and instead of crying about the jokes, I evaluated myself and got back on the horse.

Originally posted by pieman
it's a screaming shock how many people are coming onto the thread to say "don't be stupid, of course it's over eating" when they clearly haven't taken a blind bit of notice of the video in the OP. watch the first ten minutes of the video at least, ffs. otherwise, don't bother posting. it makes you look like a jerk.

sorry, on topic, it's an interesting standpoint, i hadn't heard the low carb option's reasoning before but he lays out the case very well. decreasing the ability of the body to store fat through reducing carb intake seems like a plan although i have a reservation i was disappointed he didn't address.

the damage to the circulatory system is allegedly caused by fat in the blood stream, it seems to me that, if anything, this lowcarb option will increase the level of fat in the blood stream by not allowing it to be stored in the body. this seems dangerous.

there's an article in the OP support material that kind of skirts the issue but i fear it's misleading.

The fat in the blood stream is cause by intake of simple carbohydrates that have no where to go, an over abundance of them. By introducing a low complex carbohydrate nutrition plan combined with adequate protein and mono or poly unsaturated fats the body actually has less fatty acids to deal with thereby changing the amount of insulin produced which effectively stops fat storage and helps mobilize stored fat into an energy source for the body. Dr. Barry Sears, The Zone Diet harnessed this theory effectively years before anyone else. Read up on it.

Originally posted by PrisonerOfSociety
Eat food + no exercise = you get fat

Go on diet + exercise = burn calories

Do i get a doctorate for those formulas?

Well said! This is exactly what I was thinking.

Originally posted by Darth Lumina
Great, another excuse for people to say they cannot lose weight! To me this is going along the lines of saying an alcohalic has a disease, instead of an addiction. Sorry, but I know a lot of people who have used a simple time proven advice on how to lose weight successfully, all this is just another excuse for people to contintue to drink two cases of coke today and all the take out and junk food they can get their fat little hands on.

I drive 4000 km or more a month for work and when I'm away for work I tended to drink Coke by the Gallon (6 x 500ml bottles a day). Middle of may I cut my snacking 50% and cut all the pop out of my diet. I've lost 10lbs and I feel better, more tired but I used to refer to Coke as liquid sleep.

I watched the video for the first 15 minutes but had to go mow my lawn...I could feel myself gaining weight just sitting there watching it !

No but seriously....

The fact that the British and the US have the highest percentages of obesity doesn't surprise me in looking at the similarities in our diets consisting of White Flour, White Sugar, Starch and FAT.
Whats the most commonly known British Food here in the US ?
Fish and Chips....Fried white flour battered fish and Fried Potatoes !

Within the US, the 10 most obese states are:
Drum Roll Please....

1) Mississippi
2) Alabama
3) W. Virginia
4) Louisiana
5) Kentucky
6) Tennessee
7) Arkansas
8) Indiana (Tied for 8th with S Carolina)
9) S. Carolina
10) Texas

Looking at the southern diet , its great food but it's very high in fat,sugar and white flour.

No Popeyes Fried Chicken here in New Hampshire IMA.


Having lived in Europe(Germany) and the US one of the first things you notice upon arriving back in the States is the sheer number of obese people !
Upon returning back to Europe you notice just the opposite with more adults walking and riding bicycles to/from work whereas in the US it's far less common.

The diet consists of fewer fried foods, though pommes (fries) are common throughout Germany but are considered "Fast Food" and hence aren't eaten daily.

Marathon runners "Carb UP" consuming pasta and beer the night before a race because complex carbohydrates are slowly converted to sugar providing long lasting energy. Whereas Sucrose/Fructose go directly to the blood stream providing immediate energy. But if either aren't fully utilized then they're stored as fat. Plain and simple.

China has almost never had an issue with obesity but is beginning to see it in their children....since Mc Donalds & KFC have arrived on their shores.
Fat(Fried beef, cheese), Carbs (white flour Bun and Fried potatoes) and very little fiber in which to digest the fat...there's your recipe for obesity.


The skinny girl example....no one pointed out the fact that she smoked.
Nicotine is a drug, a stimulant for that matter, as are diet pills which artificially increase the metabolism. Thats why when people quit smoking, they almost always gain weight.

yeah let's blame mcdonalds and all other food corporations for the obesity epidemic!

seriously... it's a disease of the western world only because we have so much food (most of it portioned in very unhealthy sizes) and so much time off work that we feel the need to stuff our faces with more and more. the rest of the world without 40 hour workweeks, with very low wages don't have such issues. it's actually funny to visit eastern Europe now, almost 20 years after communism has fallen to watch them grow fatter and fatter compared to 20 years ago when they were normal to underweight.

blame the fashion industry for putting skinny women on the cover of all magazines and most TV shows. since when is "normal" morbidly skinny?!

as others have said, going on a low-calorie diet and then jumping back on a "normal" (high calorie) diet will make you very fat because your body "thinks" it's a famine and you just found a big meal that it needs to store as fat for the next months...

if you don't eat the same way daily, it's useless to go on diets, they will just shock your body and harm you more in the long run. best thing (for me at least) is a bigger breakfast, normal lunch, small dinner. that way you get your metabolism going early in the day and keep burning. but most westerners eat the other way around: small or no breakfast, big lunch, huge dinner.

most westerners who drive to work, mall, shopping and have very little physical activity a diet of 1500-2000 cal per day should be more than enough. obviously a body builder or athlete will need more, but how many of us do that?

To everyone who has willingly skimmed over the OP because it's too much to take in, I'll sum it up, again.

Gary Taubes is asking questions and answering them with mounds of research. That's what investigative journalists do.

He asked: What is obesity? Answer: It is excess fat deposition. Plain and simple.

He then asked: What regulates fat deposition? Answer: A hormone called Insulin. Increased insulin causes fat deposition. Increased insulin levels in the blood will not allow fat to be released from fat cells. Guys, this is basic biochemistry.

He then asked: What increases insulin levels? Answer: Carbohydrates through the process of spiking blood glucose levels. Interestingly enough, there is only one enzyme that converts fat from triglycerides to fatty acids so they are small enough to fit through the cell wall to be stored. That enzyme solely found from carbohydrate consumption.

You see now? The hormone problem is with insulin and can be remedied by decreasing carbohydrate consumption. Some people, because of genetics and because of what their mothers ate while they were in the womb, are more susceptible to developing obesity/excessive fat gain.

Just like many of you have said, it's not rocket science. If this is an energy in vs energy out concept, ask anyone to describe to me how a Type 1 Diabetic can't gain weight, no matter how much they eat, unless they're injecting insulin constantly.

Eating a diet that excludes all processed carbohydrates, cereal grains and potatoes, you can eat as often as you'd like. Two reasons. The lack of carbohydrates will keep cravings down and overeating is unlikely to occur. If an over consumption of calories were to occur, there is very little chance of fat storage due to the lack of insulin, and a certain enzyme, in the blood.

This is supported by mounds of conclusive data. It is not fabricated, it's science. Much of this knowledge about weight loss has been known for almost 200 years and was only recently forgotten in the 60's when fat and cholesterol were falsely labeled killers.

Growing kids don't grow because they eat so much. They are eating more because they are growing. Their increase in calorie consumption is the dependent variable and growing is the independent variable.

I'm not going to grow taller by eating more. Hormones control that process. And it just so happens that hormones control fat gain as well. Oh, and bodybuilders understand that Insulin regulates muscle growth. Without it, you can workout and eat as much as you want without growing muscle.

If you eat less than your daily expenditure, you'll get hungry and your body will compensate by slowing the metabolism. Likewise, if you eat more than your daily expenditure, you'll experience a reduced appetite and your metabolism will speed up.

Remember the saying, "working up an appetite"? That saying has meaning, and that is, if you expend more energy(exercise), you're body will adapt by increasing appetite to reach a balance.

Low-carb dieters have shown to lose exactly the same amount of fat as low-fat dieters, even while eating over 300 calories more a day in recent restricted calorie studies. How does energy balance account for this?

Positive caloric balance does not cause obesity and fat gain. This is science that was being taught pre-world war 2, especially in Europe, but was forgotten after the war. Blamed in part on the low-fat researchers that proceeded the war.

-Dev

Originally posted by pieman
sorry, i wasn't clear. ignoring the details of the mechanism, insulin and all that, as far as i can see, the theory here is that when the body burns carbs, in the form of glucose, a molecule is produced which allows the body to store fat by combining with fatty acids to lock them into a fat cell. the trick is to not burn carbs and therefore the body has to burn fats for energy as well as losing the ability to easily lock these fatty acids into fat cells.

what i am suggesting is that because the fats aren't stored in fat cells and because they are being pumped about for use in the body as energy there are more of them in the blood stream. not from eating more fats but as a normal side effect of a lack of carbs.

conventional wisdom says this is a bad thing. if not, then why not. any ideas?

I do, but they're not mine.

You mentioned something in an earlier post about fat pouring out of the fat cells and into the blood being bad. It can be for type 1 diabetics. Eating a low carb diet will force the body to pull fat from the fat cells and burn them for energy. The byproducts of the process are called Ketones, the process is called Ketosis.

A build-up of Ketones in the blood can be very dangerous for type 1 diabetics and the condition is none as Ketoacidosis.

Low-carb diets, even ones that are high in fat, saturated fat and cholesterol, have repeatedly shown exceptional improvements on lipid profiles and sugar levels. Although it sounds counter-intuitive, these low-carb, moderate/high-fat diets beat low-fat diets hands down in all areas, except one, LDL.

LDL, the "bad" cholesterol, has been shown to rise a small percentage when following a low-carb diet. But, HDL rises even more. So the ratio between the two improves and this is what's important. LDL count and total cholesterol have no real correlation with damage.

The two best indicators we have are LDL particle size, which need to be large, and HDL/Triglycerides ratio, which should be 1/1. Insulin causes LDL particles to shrink, and when they shrink, they get stuck in the arterial wall and oxidize. This is how plaque forms.

In the end, it's carbohydrates once again that are causing damage, not dietary fat and cholesterol.

-Dev