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Big Fat Lie: Overeating is a symptom, not the cause, of Obesity!


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reply posted on 11-7-2009 @ 05:06 PM by Geladinhu


I have not read the thread, but all of the western medical system works like that. They don't treat problems by their cause but by their symptoms. I don't know if it is just naivety (wanting to finish with everything immediately, thus being fooled by the temporal disappearance of symptoms) or if it is on purpose to keep us tied to them (we not only never get fully healed, meaning that our mental and physical capabilities become restricted but we also keep spending big part of our income in never-ending treatments) .

I'd say that probably both happens. The big "businessmen", that have a holistic view on things are probably not naive about it. The doctors are probably naive, they just believe in everything that is thought in the academia.



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reply posted on 16-7-2009 @ 04:36 AM by DevolutionEvolvd


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Yes, exactly. A large percentage of diseases are just symptoms of an underlying cause and by treating these symptoms, instead of the cause, we tend to cause other problems or hasten the development of the underlying cause.

In this case, hyperinsulinemia is causing obesity, but it's also causing a multitude of other chronic diseases of aging.

-Dev



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reply posted on 17-7-2009 @ 02:01 PM by craig732


Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd

This virus crap is new and still not the cause of the epidemic we see today. If obesity was caused by a virus, you would have expected obesity rates to be the same in the early part of the century. This is not observed.



What if it is a new virus, like HIV?

There weren't many HIV/AIDS cases around the beginning of the 20th century, where there?



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reply posted on 17-7-2009 @ 03:17 PM by DevolutionEvolvd


I'll restate that. It is possible that obesity is caused by a virus but it is highly unlikely. Don't forget Ockham's Razor, the simplist answer is usually the correct one. Now, Ockham's doesn't completely discount viruses as the cause independently; however, when combined with the understanding of how fat is stored and when backed by evidence that supports the claim in the OP, the hypothesis that an unknown virus causes obesity seems far fetched.

With that said, a few viruses have been known to cause hypertension, which is known to contribute to heart disease, though the virus has seemed to slip my mind. It's closely associated with epstein barr virus and another virus that causes mononucleosis. Adenovirus-37(AD-37), a human virus, is also known to cause obesity in some animals.

So, the possibility is indeed significant but the chances are slim that the majority of obese individuals are gaining fat due to the contraction of a virus.

Hope that helps.

-Dev



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reply posted on 29-8-2009 @ 04:10 AM by DevolutionEvolvd


What if the problem is a BUMP! Gotcha! So what's next?



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reply posted on 12-11-2009 @ 10:16 PM by DevolutionEvolvd


The following is information from the book referenced in the OP: Good Calories, Bad Calories

The first law of thermodynamics is the law of energy conservation. In nutrition, this means that any change in body weight is dependent on calories we consume and the calories we expend. This is the energy balance equation.

Change in energy stores = Energy intake - Energy Expenditure

Quote from the Book:

The first law of thermodynamics dictates that weight gain--the increase in energy stored as fat and lean-tissue mass--will be accompanied by or associated with positive energy balance, but it does not say that it is caused by a positive energy balance.

...All those who have insisted (and still do) that overeating and/or sedentary behavior MUST be the cause of obesity have done so on the basis of this same fundamental error: they will observe correctly that positive caloric balance mush be associated with weight gain, but then they will assume without justification that positive caloric balance is the cause of weight gain. This simple misconception has led to a century of misguided obesity research.


Taubes goes on to point out that, if interpreted correctly, the law of conservation of energy provides two possibilities, in this case: Either overeating/physical inactivity is causing obesity; or the causality is reversed and obesity(fat gain) causes overeating/physical inactivity.

-Dev



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