The microcosms of society are forever drawing closer towards an "us and them".

You do realise Islam wants to purge western idealism off the face of the Earth. Off with those burqas i say and show your bloody faces.

I have a tremendous amount of respect for anyone willing to suffer for their religion. I don't condone it, just because I don't do it.

I think there are a lot of issues here. There IS a safety issue, whether you want to admit it or not, but to infringe on their rights to worship the way they deem appropriate is just not right. They may actually be forced to wear them as some have said. We all know that fanatical people have no problem killing a woman, or anyone else, who they see as bringing shame or dishonor to their family. It has happened way too many times to deny it.

The danger I see here is that if they are outlawed, and a woman gets seen, her husband could be well within his perceived 'rights' to inflict great harm on her. That would be terribly unfortunate, but can you not see it happening?

If a woman chooses to stay in a situation that is demeaning or dangerous, she has made her choice and we have to honor that. If it isn't by choice, but by fear, we should try to help.

Government has no place in religion, but maybe religion has no place in public?

Awful slippery slope if you ask me.

Originally posted by Dermo
I still think France should do it.. especially if they thing women's rights are the main issue at hand.

The women live in France. They have the right not to wear them if they choose.

They wear them because they choose to wear them.

Originally posted by Dermo
Are you honestly telling me that a country like France would be considering this if they didn't feel that women's rights are being infringed? You obviously know more about France than its elected politicians (a large portion of them are muslim by the way) if that is the case.

I know more about common sense than the French politicians do.

You can't legislate to protect sane and healthy adults from themselves.

The fact is that these adult women choose to wear their burqas. It's their choice. You can't legislate against that. They have the right to wear them.

The fact is that when that when something is shown to be infringing on the rights of some but not others, it is usually banned..

Wearing burqas is their choice. It is their right to wear them.

Also, a bit of extra muslim integration in western Europe would help things a lot. And this would definitely lead to that.

They don't want to integrate in the way that you want them to. They want to continue to worship their own way.

Originally posted by tezzajw
You can't legislate to protect sane and healthy adults from themselves.

See soft drug bans for an example of that.. and a multitude of other retarded laws.

Wearing burqas is their choice. It is their right to wear them.

Some women choose to be prostitutes, others are pimped out and almost in slavery.. Prostitution is banned mainly because of the latter.

Some women choose to wear burqas.. others are beaten into wearing them.. how do you regulate womens rights there?

Look, im not going to agree with you completely on this and I know you are not with me either so im not going to argue anymore.

That smiley face means something along the lines of "peace"..



[edit on 20/6/09 by Dermo]

France, the principle of laïcité has been strictly implemented - separation of Church and State.

In the French Republic, you are French - that's it. Religion and other cultural identity are not publicly endorsed. Regardless of whether an item of clothing is an individual choice or not, under French Constitutional Law, it is forbidden.

Originally posted by infinite
In the French Republic, you are French - that's it. Religion and other cultural identity are not publicly endorsed. Regardless of whether an item of clothing is an individual choice or not, under French Constitutional Law, it is forbidden.

Source?

I'd like to see some sort of passage that proves what you claim.

Like i said elsewhere, they will slowly dilute islam, until all muslims are so obsessed with sex like all christians today.

The french government have no right to tell people how to dress, as long as they wear something.

Slippery slope starts now for islam, and the iranian people protesting are helping those in the west water down there religion, and history of hundreds of years.

Like i said elsewhere, do those wanting change in iran, really know what they want.

Originally posted by infinite
It's common knowledge.

If it's that common, then you should be able to supply a source link to prove your claim.

France has strict laws on separation of Church and State. Burqa's, crucifixes and Jewish skull caps were banned in 2002 for school's.

We're not discussing schools here. We're discussing adult women wearing them down the street.