British Men: Have You Been Castrated?

Good post Evil Elf, nobody could argue with that.

I just read a thread concerning Germany which will soon have its internet censored. This is very disturbing, and of course the UK has had its shares of troubles lately too, with a step up in facism becoming evident. I think what's happening here is something we're all guilty of, waiting for someone else to step up and be martyred first, waiting for others to start this movement, waiting....because we're all scared of being targetted. This is aside from the issue of how many are awake, or alseep at the wheel and how much chemicals we've injested to make us passive.

We need to stop waiting. We have to start acting. You can take any legislation that is questionable and get a few, then hopefully more, to go to your local politicians office and not leave until its over. I'd video tape the entire thing as well, and sign round table agreements in the crowd that you are civil, non-aggressive, passive resistors, also the members of the employer group, and that you pledge to remain civil and well behaved, and that any instigation of violence or agitiation would be from the authorities, and that you won't leave until this is overturned.

There are of course other ways, but this is what should be done if the internet censoring begins or the codex. These two are the final triumphant checkmates to nwo. They have to be stopped. People need to stop waiting and get their grooves on very very soon. Theres not much time!

[edit on 16-6-2009 by mystiq]

reply to post by Majestic23


Thanks.

Like i said, it is not something I savor the thought of, and honestly, I hope that people will wake the hell up before that point, but I am not optimistic. I do my part. I vote (always third party, mainly Libertarian, but will vote others if they are sound, rarely ever vote major party unless it's an off the wall renegade). I spread the word to people, try and show them, point out what is happening, explain the threat. I hassle the hell out of my representatives with letters when some really wicked piece of legislation rears it's ugly head, and protest in various ways when such things pass.

Unfortunately, I know very few, if any, who do anything, even after having it explained what's going on, and if they do something, it is usually in support of something negative.

Thus, as much as I dread the thought, I see a future where a very bloody option will be the only one left, and that idea haunts me to no end.

But it is also a reality I can't ignore.

Originally posted by Sonya610
reply to post by dsm1664

 

Well I have known and liked plenty of individual Brits, but I must say I did not enjoy my brief time in London. The people were often remarkably rude. Cashiers do not say thank you, cab drivers laugh in your face if you ask them to take you to a destination that they do not deem "far enough". Generally quite rude.

I have no desire to visit all the continents of the world. I am pretty darn particular about the cultures that I choose to visit or embrace. Crime rates and courtesy factor into those decisions heavily.

That would also be an excellent description of New York City, Boston, Miami and some others I could think of. Boston being the worst with Miami a close second.

More on topic:

I think trying to judge this based on the articles we read here or in the news is a fools errand. If I were foolish enough to believe it all, I'd think both the US and UK are armpits when in fact we are two of the most successful free society's to exist. I'm sure what we read about the UK is as out of line with reality as what we read about the US. Most is a product of overactive imaginations combined with information from people who purposefully make things sound bad to fit their agenda.

It reminds me of the all Cops are bad idea. The fact is that very few Cops are bad but the only thing that makes the media or ATS are the handful of stories about the bad ones. If people only read here for information on the US they have no clue about the US and I'll bet we have no real clue about the UK. Remember we are on a board with lots of radicals who want their stories to be true if they are or not. If you live in one of the tiny gang infested neighborhoods inside a big dirty city, you would come to believe all the country is that way when in fact the opposite is true. Same applies here.

The sad part is that the propaganda spread by enemies is often the only thing people have to judge by. For every negative story we see there are thousands of positive things occurring I'm sure.

Scallies (aka plastic scousers) who seem to be those idiots who think that faking a scouse accent makes them somehow scouse (liverpudlian).

O.K., can someone translate that into English for me?

A question for the English folks here. Does it occur to anyone that people who are clearly parasites should be separated from their dole money? It seems that many of you blame Thatcher or the Tories for causing the underclass to become the under-underclass. From the outside point of view, it seems that is the equivalent of blaming the parent for attempting to discipline the child after the child throws a revenge tantrum.

I know socialism is deeply imbedded in your thinking, but is it even conceivable to you that these people should be asked to fend for themselves?

[edit on 16-6-2009 by Grumble]

Originally posted by Grumble
A question for the English folks here. Does it occur to anyone that people who are clearly parasites should be separated from their dole money?

There is a fairly large anti-welfare state backlash that has been brewing in the right wing papers, such as The Daily Mail and The Express, for the last few years. If the Tories get in next election (which they will) i'm sure there will be changes in the benefits system because supposedly at the moment it is "too easy, and too much", but the fact of the matter is that the Welfare State and the NHS are two of the things many Britons, myself included, are immensley proud of and protective over. Even Thatcher knew that she couldn't mess with the NHS. And so whilst perhaps the "parasites" may be made to work harder to get their dole, any substantial changes to the Welfare State are highly unlikely.

It seems that many of you blame Thatcher or the Tories for causing the underclass to become the under-underclass. From the outside point of view, it seems that is the equivalent of blaming the parent for attempting to discipline the child after the child throws a revenge tantrum.

That's a very poor analogy and i fear you do not fully grasp exactly what went on in the 80s in Britain. Further more to imply that Thatcher was a parent punishing disobedient children i find deeply offensive. These were not children who had been naughty, they were fiercely proud, hardworking adults who had worked extremely hard all their lives, only to be punished for nothing more than the misfortune of being working class and living in the north of the country.

I know socialism is deeply imbedded in your thinking, but is it even conceivable to you that these people should be asked to fend for themselves?

Hopefully not.

reply to post by Grumble


What a stupid post. I'm sure that TYPE of post isn't usually allowed by ATS.

The term 'Chavs' can be applied to anyone you deem 'under clas'' to yourself and is therefore subjective

Garbage bin police?? Do you haveyour head stuck in the extremely right-wing nazi publication, The Daily Mail by any chance?

Here's some things I hear about America, but wouldn't feel the urge to create a whole thread around since I don't necessarily believe to be entirely true - especially since I've spent ALOT of time in the US (a country I like) but...

1) You're all fat and are, en masse (no pun intended) ignorant to the perils of "super-sized" feasts.

3) The British Army trains your troops by the programmes they set-up.

4) You claim to have the best military in the world but you can't track a man on a horse through a desert (who needs dialysis!!)

5) Nobody likes to buy your cars (beyond 1980).

6) You claimed you saves us in the second world war by showing up two years too late.

7) You have the highest unemplyment levels of any 'western' country (10%!!!!) and can' t be providing THAT much for your family in comparison to most nations.

8) You bent over and accepted a RIGGED election TWICE in a row.

9) Education standards are exceptionally low, particularly in English and Maths.

10) Safe environment you say? You provide that do you? You mean in a country where any 18 year-old can buy a GUN from WAL MART, of all places, yet is not legally allowed drink? Yes, very safe. Very safe indeed!

11) THE CLINCHER - Most US citizens haven't even left their own state (/own a passport) let alone the country and can't REALLY begin to comment on domestic affairs of anything beyond Canada and whatever South Park decides to say about it......

When all is said and done, I'd take our (non-existent!!!) garbage police over the PATRIOT act any day and THEN tell me you provide anything other than food, clothes and a roof over your head.

I'm actually, usually, not very proud of TPTB in the UK (we are a people that like to complain), however all the things you infer are hypocritical, misled, misquoted and sensationalised.

That said, you've even done exceptionally well to misunderstand the status quo in your homeland and prove most of what I put in your post).

Well done you.

reply to post by Grumble


I think they should. That belief is widely accepted socially here, however you can't say it if you're a public figure. The media (mainly) would probably chastise you.

Dole money isn't a great deal to live on but the benefits agency settle your rent and everything if you're not working. At the minute some 2.2 million people are unemployed - the highest since during the final throes of the last (conservative) Government (Blair got it down to just over 550,000 at one time) so we have alot of people claiming it at the minute who are victims of the recession.

We also have a different political set-up wit the "liberals" lying dead centre between left (socialists) and right (capitalists). It is because of these liberals that we have taken Human Rights convention too far and can't deny anyone such as known (free) criminals, rapits, murderers dole money and housing. Prinsoners even get PS3s and all types of luxuries thanks to the work Cherie Blair and her cronies did under Tony Blair's reign.

There is a showcase of Chavs and scum called "The Jeremy Kyle Show" (the flagship example used to be "Trisha") which will explain a bit more. Look it up on youtube. Its awful, a bit like Jerry but with worse teeth!!

Originally posted by slinkey10

Originally posted by thesun
reply to post by Grumble

 

You are mostly right, especially the east london area and the north of england are badly affected by this but there are few good men left who would not accept such fooliness. The country is being dragged down by this lazy class people of who rely heavily on benefits. They refuse to work, refuse free education, refuse to bring thier children up properly and are comfortable because the goverment pays for thier deprived life style.
They are nightmares to live around, sad really sad, the high levels of social decline in the uk. The country really needs a conservative goverment back to restore to some respect and discipline back to society.

Was that a joke?

Seriously?

We have the 'Thatcher years' to thank for introducing Privatisation of everything to this country, and look where that has got us....

Seriously, take one example, the privatisation of the railways...hmmmm that was a great success!!!! "Railtrack - a company sold off long after Mrs Thatcher was ousted - is dogged by controversy about whether privatisation is to blame for the state of the nation's railways." www.guardian.co.uk...

I think dsm1664 summed the UK up on page2 "we have a lot of good people here, good hearts, but we're being pushed from so many angles. We have a leader that we did not elect, corrupt officials, high taxes and a high cost of living. Add the weather to the mix and boy, why would any immigrant want to come here? Oh, the free money and healthcare. Well the NHS is dead on it's feet, so it's the free money."

How about they give the british people some working rights and a decent wage before you start cracking off about how lazy we are? As a human, i'm NOT going to work peanuts, are you? Why the hell should i work for nothing when LAZY mp claims for a second home, porn videos, food bills AND get a wage on top of that? You seem to think people live like kings on benefits in which you obviously dont have a clue. They give you the minimum. If your sacked from your job? No benefit. You own property? No benefits. With a silly £47 a week your suppose to feed yourself, keep warm, pay bills and yeah, find a job (hopefull within walking distance because thanks to thatcher, the busses were privatised and now OVER CHARGE)

Why the hell would we want conservatives back in? They HATE the poor, there all into maintaining there place at the top of the food chain.

Originally posted by Grumble
I know socialism is deeply imbedded in your thinking, but is it even conceivable to you that these people should be asked to fend for themselves?

Yes and no. I of course think yes, but...

Yes because: Beyind the people on benefits who DON'T need it and could get a job (unlike many single mothers for example), everyone else is of the opinion you should work and that working is the right thing to do. Probably 95% of people (except for during this recession which has seen very high unemployment) tend to look down on 'doleys' - the people who want to be on the dole.

No because: We've always had universal healthcare since 1948, so THAT type of socialism is very much borne out of 'we're all in this together' (right after WWII) which is yes, qute romantic and, very idealistic, but it was needed at the time in order to improve living standards and life expectancy. It's also a way of life to have the NHS and welfare state. Many people would be on their ass if they had to pay outright for these services (including many 'more affluent' people).

However, there is a social services system (welfare state) here that tends to do more good than bad (all the bad stuff gets attention, while none of the good work will ever get realised by the public) and I would only want to see that improved / managed with more common sense (less red tape).

The problem is that no politician will grow a pair and deny benefits to the parasites because so many people will instantly drop below the poverty line, putting further strain on our police and healthcare in an instant.

I think that mentality however is steadily changing, as we are more strapped for cash nowadays and people are growing tired of shelling out for scumbags to have it easy (including MPs and their second homes).

In fact I would say it's only a matter of time before something significant allows that to happen for us (such as working for your benefits for a local council or government) - economic recovery permitting of course.

Good question, however!

[edit on 17/6/2009 by TailoredVagabond]

Originally posted by TailoredVagabond
reply to post by Grumble

 

Here's some things I hear about America, but wouldn't feel the urge to create a whole thread around since I don't necessarily believe to be entirely true - especially since I've spent ALOT of time in the US (a country I like) but...

1) You're all fat and are, en masse (no pun intended) ignorant to the perils of "super-sized" feasts.

3) The British Army trains your troops by the programmes they set-up.

4) You claim to have the best military in the world but you can't track a man on a horse through a desert (who needs dialysis!!)

5) Nobody likes to buy your cars (beyond 1980).

6) You claimed you saves us in the second world war by showing up two years too late.

7) You have the highest unemplyment levels of any 'western' country (10%!!!!) and can' t be providing THAT much for your family in comparison to most nations.

8) You bent over and accepted a RIGGED election TWICE in a row.

9) Education standards are exceptionally low, particularly in English and Maths.

10) Safe environment you say? You provide that do you? You mean in a country where any 18 year-old can buy a GUN from WAL MART, of all places, yet is not legally allowed drink? Yes, very safe. Very safe indeed!

11) THE CLINCHER - Most US citizens haven't even left their own state (/own a passport) let alone the country and can't REALLY begin to comment on domestic affairs of anything beyond Canada and whatever South Park decides to say about it......

When all is said and done, I'd take our (non-existent!!!) garbage police over the PATRIOT act any day and THEN tell me you provide anything other than food, clothes and a roof over your head.

I'm actually, usually, not very proud of TPTB in the UK (we are a people that like to complain), however all the things you infer are hypocritical, misled, misquoted and sensationalised.

As an American, I have to totally agree with you!

I don't know why it isn't obvious to everyone in America, but I cannot disagree with anything you have stated. Maybe the Southpark comment, those 3rd graders know an awful lot, and are way ahead of the rest of the populace!

Yes, Americans get their foreign policy experience at Mexican or Chinese Restaurants and Disneyland. We have no idea why we are going bankrupt, but we buy 4000 calorie meals on credit cards while idling our huge SUV's in the drivethru! We cling to our gunrights (me included) at all costs, but we don't protest or show any collective conscience to make all those guns have a voice to TPTB. We do accept any election results or propagandaas long as the TV tells us everything is being handled. We let catchphrases like, "This will be investigated!" silence our concerns, and then we never follow up to get the results of those investigations or question the conclusion if it does get published.

I love the country, and I am as guilty as everyone else! I am not willing to risk prison or death by fighting the system. I want to see my kids grow up, and I like to go out for dinner everynight. I pay my ridiculous taxes, because I want to provide for my family.

The French, Iranians, even Somalians are fighting for ideals, and we in America are fighting for status quo, while criticizing everyone else's ideals!

I only wish that I knew of a better way.

[edit on 17-6-2009 by getreadyalready]

reply to post by getreadyalready


I have to admire your honesty but that is not necessarily my opinion.
I was reeling off stereoptypes if anything.

Things like the elections and 'supersized feasts' is an exageration and not a smiple answer. ALL fad-dieting comes from america for example, as do most self-help techniques (two random things I think to be very proud of).

I just wish you could/would media witch-hunt your (bad) policitians like we sometimes do ours. I think the world would be a better place if that happened.

Originally posted by Grumble

Scallies (aka plastic scousers) who seem to be those idiots who think that faking a scouse accent makes them somehow scouse (liverpudlian).

O.K., can someone translate that into English for me?

Translate it!!? I understood it, it simply doesn't make any sense. . . Who exactly are these people who fake a scouse accent? And why do they do it? Is it because you associate the scouse accent with thuggery and crime because if it is you're so wrong.
As a scouser I don't want to appear over sensitive to criticism but I honestly thought these kind of ignorant remarks were a thing of the past.

Originally posted by Grumble
A question for the English folks here. Does it occur to anyone that people who are clearly parasites should be separated from their dole money? It seems that many of you blame Thatcher or the Tories for causing the underclass to become the under-underclass. From the outside point of view, it seems that is the equivalent of blaming the parent for attempting to discipline the child after the child throws a revenge tantrum.

I know socialism is deeply imbedded in your thinking, but is it even conceivable to you that these people should be asked to fend for themselves?

[edit on 16-6-2009 by Grumble]

the reason this has got out of control does stem from a lot of Thatcherite policies. the closing of the coal mines in the north and midlands, left many without work, where the only work was the mines. many had to go on benefits just to survive. There is no other large scale employers in these areas. So there has to be a certain amount of people on benefits as there arn't enough jobs. remember these people have be left with no re education for other forms of work. I'm sure there are a few out there taking the piss out of the sysytem (not as many as the shifty bankers I imagine), but most dont wont to be on benefits and are not the scroungers you make out.

What you get is poverty and a poverty of aspiration. kids seeing their parents living on benefits dont feel inspired to go out and work like the rest as thats not what they're used to. Ofcouse things need to change, but with more and more unemployed each month, we shouldn't start bashinfg those claiming benefits. lets remeber who's really done the damage here, the government and the bankers

reply to post by Mintwithahole.



I know the types, I've seen them about...even found video evidence!



Sorry!

[edit on 17-6-2009 by dsm1664]

It's not easy trying to pin down the reasons for the apathy that is quite rife in the UK, but one thing is for certain, it's not just down to a few reasons, nor is it a recent development, and nor are its effects limited to Britain alone. All the Western countries are undergoing a concerted effort that is steering them towards a result the populations would not want if they took the time to research the directions in which they are being manipulated towards. In no one particular country has there been an overwhelming effort, consistent and uncompromising in its stance, to directly engage the agendas of those doing the steering.

To be honest, I don't believe there is a way of stopping the slow incremental creep of the quasi-police states unfolding within each of our countries. A march of thousands protesting is a start, but easily managed by 'the-powers-that-be' (TPTB). What we need is a real show of people's force...marches of great size in major cities across each country, occurring at the same time. This would necessarily thin the police units available...divide and conquer! The marches need to occur again and again and again, protesting the same message, and demanding the people's right to a voice on their futures, and a roll-back to pre-surviellance days.

Rioting does not help, not because it offers an excuse for the police (as if they need one) to go in hard and brutal, but because riots are always mindless and indirected. If you could focus the energy of a riot at the right places, you would see them to be much more effective. The enemies of the people are globalisation and corporatism, and bedfellows with them are the politicians you entrust to govern you. The direction towards which Western-countries are being steered is that of a corporate totalitarianism. I disagree with it completely, and I feel you should too!

America is fortunate in that it was founded on a document called the Constitution which enshrines the 'rights' and the 'freedoms' and 'liberties' of every American. Britain does not have such a constitution, and instead is being presented with a Euro-constitution (now the Lisbon Treaty) upon which we British will have no say. Our politicians have already ratified and ceded our rights to unelected members of Euro politburos, and most the population of Britain are unware of it, and what the consequences will be once the transfer is completed. It has come down to the fact that British self-sovereignty is now relying on the Irish when they once again go to the polls to vote on the Lisbon Treaty...a positive vote by the Irish for the Treaty will sound the death knell for Britain.

This is the situation we are now in. It is almost like America relying on the Mexicans to vote no in order that America retains its own self-sovereignty. Unfortunately, the Irish economy has taken a real battering, and the Lisbon Treaty looks to be the only way out for them, so a positive vote for the treaty looks likely. This is why Brown is staving off a general election until after the Irish referendum has occurred. A early general election in Britain would raise the issue of the Treaty, and the pro-Euros do not want that. Even the Tories have stated that if the Irish vote yes for the Treaty, the Tories would accept Britain into the Treaty.

We British need to get organised, but we need the support of the population, and to get that we need to educate them to what is coming. This will take time, and I fear that it will be too little too late for us. I despair to the fact that I will live long enough to see Europe finally get its hands on my beautiful island home, and know that it was the apathy and the indifference of the British people that handed it to them.

reply to post by Grumble


The streets are filled with scumbags over here yes... the good thing is we have council estates so they are normally confined to one disgusting area of each city. I'm 21, male and I'm not your sit back and take crap guy, wherever I can intervene against any form of scumbag I will.

I give the V's to any cameras I see (usually in the town centre as my area is not so built up as the big cities like London etc) but the bigger towns are a cesspit waiting to collapse on themselves.

One thing I will say is I think the camera's are a good idea. If you've got nothing to hide you won't have any issues.. I have one or two things to hide which is why I make sure I don't partake in anything dodgy infront of cameras! (your an idiot if you do really) but in our newspapers over here I do read a lot of cases where surveillance cameras come in handy, a lot of that is just stopping violence and vandalism that our unfortunate youth drinking culture seems to thrive upon.

Anything else you wanna know?

[edit on 17-6-2009 by ItsallCrazy]

lol great title for a thread

Personally, i think the French are going to start it. They seem to be in the only country in europe with Balls. Being british and saying that, its bitter to my tongue XD

The FRENCH?!?!? Mate you cannot be British, if you are you gotta be welsh or something... Jus kiddin

The French have never had any balls. The thing in this country is that the politicians have no balls, they're scared crapless of any form of criticism, which is the why the scumbag immigrants that griefed our troops on the return from Iraq got off scott free.

The people are a different story.. if you guys (americans) had to fight your goverment it'd be a long and bloody battle..

If I could get into the Houses of Parliament you could beat everyone in the room to within an inch of their life and they'd probably still offer you a cuppa