Muzzleflash

I think you will find this quotation that you brought me up on.

"In Okinawa, where original karate was born, it was the general opinion that the governments ban on weapons was enlightened."

Is about as true as any other commonly held historical fact. Also I would advise that martial arts websites are not the best point of referance for historical information.

Regardless, the populace themselves embraced the law , you will find that Okinawa was no stranger to occupation and as many other occupied places, eventually settles into normal life.
Furthermore as I said in a previous post. It is illogical to think in this day and age that fighting and armed force at full capacity, head on, is anything but suicide.

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Originally posted by SearchLightsInc


I wouldnt call it trust of institutions but rather the over-bearing feeling of helplessness that you cannot change something so you dont bother. I have no trust in our justice system - nither does anyone i know. We joke about it, you kill someone and your out within a year, rob a bank? your in for life. I'm pretty sure any american can understand how screwed over we feel but what about the rest of the world? The men who have NEVER been able to defend and feed there familys? The next revolution will not just happen in a country, it will spread over the world should the media be kind enough to stream it.

Personally, i think the French are going to start it. They seem to be in the only country in europe with Balls. Being british and saying that, its bitter to my tongue XD

You might be right about helpless. I don't know. It's just after living in britain for two years, it actually surprised me that people were actually horrified and surprised by things like the MP expenses scandal. But that's just me, I came from a family and general subculture where the only thing a politician or any government official or authority could be trusted to do was be corrupt, rob the system, and screw with people's lives.

It is very disturbing in the UK. When the bin chip travesty first came out, I pulled the chip from my bin, baked it for 30 minutes, boiled it for another 30, put it in the microwave for another 30 (submerged in water) and was prepared to take it with a very disgusted letter of protest down to the council and let them know what I thought of their microchiping trash cans. My husband, who is normally quite vocal and aggressive, was actually frightened, that we would be fined or something like that, and refused to drive me to the council. It was only through alot of arguement that he finally let me mail the letter. He was not the only one, alot of his friends thought I was out of my mind and suggested I go down to the local and drink a few pints.

My point is: that I had never seen people so afraid to confront the authorities, for whatever reason. The old adage: when people fear the government, you have tyranny, when the government lives in fear of the people, you have democracy.

I don't think the Brits are nut-less, but something has to give soon, and I really hope the breaking point is hit and people, not just hooligans and council estate trash, actually come out and confront and threaten the government before an all out total Orwellian state is achieved.

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Originally posted by thesun
The country really needs a conservative goverment back to restore to some respect and discipline back to society.

That is the last thing anybody needs.

I hate one line replies but.

What does the OP suggest we do?

I have to say that this "you should have guns" argument is wearing kinda thin.

You guys over there have had guns since year one. So how come you just gave billions to corporate bankers and automobile makers while immigration across your southern border seems to go apparently unchecked and your last president led you into a criminal war in Iraq? Wheres your revolution???

Its not there is it?

"Theres clouds in the sky - you should have guns.."

"Theres sheep in the fields - you should have guns.."

"Theres rain falling - you should have guns..."

Booo-ring

We don't need guns. Its not the British way. We will sit and tolerate and tolerate and then one day, we simply won't tolerate any more. It happen with the Poll Tax, it happened with the fuel protests, and its happened with the current MP's expenses. Change comes gradually. You don't have to fire off a semi automatic rifle to bring it about.

Considering the way that the US people are being robbed and raped by our government and we sit and stuff our faces and stare at American Idol, how can we say a thing about anyone else?

If we were out protesting like the French and even the Iranian people we could perhaps then criticize, but a few tea parties does not equate balls!

I wrote my own experience of this in a thread. Its this chav problem from my perspective as somone who has experienced the other side. If you cant find it then ive probablly not posted it properly >< (new to ATS)

I thought they were all crooks working under a secret government.

Originally posted by neformore


We don't need guns. Its not the British way. We will sit and tolerate and tolerate and then one day, we simply won't tolerate any more.

Yeah, I noticed. The BNP just got two seats in the Euro parliament. Granted, it's onl;y two seats out of how many? But the Nazis started with less, and only a couple years before they took power, most Germans thought they were a bunch of useless jokes.

Yes, people are getting fed up and doing something about it, but which direction are they gonna march? That's the real question, and is something to be concerned about.

Evil Elf, you actually consider guerilla warfare successful in any way? Its desperite and often ends up with the civilian population being abused by both sides and rarely brings a victory other than to bring new corrupt leaders to the fore (Russian Revolution a perfect example of all this).

I guess also you are assuming that the majority of the wars you mentioned werent unessesarily drawn out to keep the military machines going, or destabilise areas so The Agenda could carry out its operations.

The wars we have seen even since the times you mentioned you cite have been mostly power play. War is never good, its romanticised. There aint nothin glorious about it. And there is no point in history repeating itself. All thats needed is comprehension and understanding. As The Art of War indicates conflict is not desirable for any genuine leadership.

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