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Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
reply to post by Locoman8
I doubt that Jesus was just average looking, because he had perfect genetics, he was also a perfect human. That means his immune system would minimize any sickness that went around, he was probably never sick a day in his life. Perfection also means you never cause yourself harm by accidents, such as a carpenter hitting his thumb with a hammer.
The pictures where Christendom shows Jesus as a thin weak person are wrong for sure.
The son of God would have been good looking and strong, but he was limited to the perfect but yet natural abilities of his human body, thus he did get tired.
Originally posted by Locoman8
reply to post by badmedia
The only understanding I can give you is biblical because I believe the bible is our christian checklist. The purpose of the Sabbath is understood, at least in part by most people. Why worship and rest on the 7th day? Because God said so, just like you said. Why do we rest? To rest from worldly things and give that day to God for worship. Why the 7th day? Because He created in the first 6 days and rested on the 7th. Every 7th day is a memorial of creation and what God did for us. I do it because God said so, but I also do it because I know the spiritual meaning behind the Sabbath. 1 day in heaven is 1000 years on earth according to the bible. Man's rule on earth is a 6000 year labor for humanity. When Jesus returns at the end of the 6000 years, He will usher in a 7th mellenium of peace and REST. It is our Sabbath mellenium. That is the spiritual meaning behind resting on the 7th day.
Originally posted by Locoman8
reply to post by badmedia
I don't believe the world is nearly 6000 years old. I believe the human race is nearly 6000 years old. The earth was here long before creation week. God created the heavens and the earth "in the beginning" not on day 1.
When Jesus is quoted talking about keeping the Law, it should be clear that he meant the Ten Commandments.
to me doing the things that Locoman is doing aren't bad, they even have good by there very nature embedded in them, but they are not necessary for salvation, especially when they can never embrace the whole law.
Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
An interesting viewpoint.
You can slice this up and dissect this 1000 different ways, but people who are holding on to this old law can't ever possibly be doing it correctly anyway, if you were you would have to be sacrificing animals all the time.
And stoning Adulterers and Homosexuals, and that's never going to happen.
For example eating pork used to be a sin, but it isn't anymore.
What about circumcision? If a uncircumcised man in his forties suddenly takes on Christianity with the viewpoint that the mosaic law is still in effect, doesn't that mean he has to go get circumcised?
And not to get personal with anybody of coarse, but if your parents never
I have been following this thread and not commenting because to me doing the things that Locoman is doing aren't bad, they even have good by there very nature embedded in them, but they are not necessary for salvation, especially when they can never embrace the whole law.
Originally posted by badmedia
Truth is understanding. Jesus is an example of the understanding and wisdom of the OT. What Jesus speaks is not truth because Jesus speaks it. Jesus is an example of the understanding and wisdom because he speaks the truth.
Originally posted by badmedia
I believe one has to actually follow the commandments. And as Psalm 111:10 say, those who follow the commandments do so from understanding. The commandments were given to men, but there were not understood by men, and the "wicked" were manipulating them and commiting hypocrisy when they killed the man who killed. Vengence is mine sayeth the Lord.
Because of this, Jesus was sent in order to show people the correct way to follow the commandments and to give the understanding needed to do so. Where as Christians find salvation in his death, I find it in his life and example. I find that he is to be followed, not worshipped. That he shows a path, a better way and that is to be followed.
His grace is that he is not full of sin and already understands so he does not need to be here. He is not here to learn the differences between good and evil. But he does these things anyway, in order to show people the truth/path. As men are full of sin, he knows they will kill him for speaking the truth and going against the powers of this world(Satan), but he does it anyway. In his death he shows there is nothing to fear, and that it is better to die than to take up evil and defend your own life. So in the end, he actually wins.
But that has been warped by Paul and the church. And it was turned into it being about his death and "sacrifice", rather than his life and mercy. In this way, the truth(Jesus) is being sacrifice so that the lie/Satan of this world could live. And it does, and will until the truth is resurrected and people follow the truth(Jesus/understanding). And this is exactly why they conspired against him - to keep their own power. It is then pushed off as being a "free gift" by Paul, and that all you have to do is "believe" and all is saved without real effort. Of course, this would mean Jesus out right lied to the rich man that he tells to walk the path.
Originally posted by badmedia
The word is that which makes creation. It is logic. Creation is just a program, and programs are created by words/logic. "Jesus" is just a vessel/soul, it is the father(god) within that did those things, he was not the "word".
Originally posted by badmedia
I can keep going. As far as Christians, I am in agreement with the gnostics more than the others. They were persecuted by the church and have been, just as Jesus said those who truly believed would be, not the ones who persecute.
Originally posted by Joecroft
“Truth is understanding”
That’s quite a statement and it is difficult to argue that it is wrong or right, sometimes people can know or at least be aware of the truth, but not have any or complete understanding of it i.e. know why something is true. For example, I have sometimes known some biblical things to be true, without knowing why or how it is true. It’s a bit like intuition where you somehow know something to be true, but your not entirely sure how or why you know it’s true. Sometimes later you will understand what it means, which then confirms the truth you already new. Of course it doesn’t mostly work that way, most people understand the truth first. I hope that makes sense.
Obviously knowing something is true and understanding why it is true, at the same time, makes the truth much more solid. I guess I see truth as a kind of a knowing in your heart and that the understanding part, is connected to the mind. When the two work together, you get a complete understanding.
Most of the Christians I have spoken to, say that you need to do both, believe that “Jesus died for your sins” and believe and follow Jesus life and teachings. I have been thinking a lot lately about this concept of “Jesus died for our sins”, which if completely true, would kind of make Jesus life and teachings pointless, which I don’t believe they are. The question you raise, of why teach people how to enter the kingdom, if your going to later on, allow them another way to enter it freely, is an important question. Jesus death was not pointless because Jesus death, defeated sin, brought the Holy Spirit and defeated Death through the resurrection. My current way of understanding this, is that instead of saying “Jesus died for our sins” it is more accurate to say that, “Jesus died to help us turn to away from our sins” and roughly the same for Jesus life and Teachings; “Jesus lived to help us to turn away from our sins”.
Originally posted by badmedia
This is an interesting way of looking at the “word”. The spiritual realm, where God resides, is the real world and it is the true reality. Our flesh/world is our reality, within the program/universe that God created. This is kind of similar to the matrix film concept, except the other way around. God and Jesus who is the “word” created everything together, in our flesh/world. I think the use of the word “word” is sort of connected to the idea that God breaths life into creation from out of his mouth and words carry with them breath. I believe that was the best way people could describe God creating things when Genesis was written.
I saw a documentary last year about the Gospel of Judas and found it to be totally amazing especially how Jesus was portrayed as a man who loved to laugh as well as all the other things we already know about Jesus from the other Gospels.
Thanks for posting that video I really enjoyed it. Unfortunately I didn’t have much luck finding the next installment…
I was surprised by the stuff they were talking about towards the end of the video because recently I have become interested in obe’s, meditation and dream interpretation. I had an obe experience when I was younger and I have been meaning to post my experience here at ATS but haven’t quite had the courage to post it yet.