The 10 punches that Dick Cheney landed on Barack Obama's jaw, page 5
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reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 10:51 AM by kettlebellysmith
reply to post by RRconservative


Perhaps you should re-read the OP's post. In this case, Obama was going to release everything. After reading the material, he reached(rightly, I think) to only release about half of the information. In other words, once you got the office, the info, and the responsibilty, you realize you can't do everything you want to. Even if you think you are King of The World.


reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 11:11 AM by poet1b
reply to post by truthquest



The one thing Bush will be famous for in the history books will be his failure to keep American's safe. Its a well documented fact that the FBI was tracking some of the 9/11 terrorists, yet the attack happened any way. He should have resigned the day that it was revealed these people were being tracked by the FBI.


You nailed it on the head here. 9-11 was the greatest failure of U.S. security in the history of our nation, and it should never have succeeded. The GW admin, including Cheney, are fully responsible, and their failure to take any action to prevent what they were warned to prepare for is inexcusable.

No, the GW admin has not kept our nation safe, they have let it go to hell in a handbasket.

Our borders have been over ran, and the world has lost confidence in us. The fact that conservatives refuse to admit their failures is truly sad.



reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 11:22 AM by nunya13
This is really becoming unbelievable to me. People are still bickering over who's the best president ever...Bush or Obama?

We have people who like Bush pointing to Obama saying how he's destroyed this country. They ignore that he's only been in office for about 4 months and that everything that is wrong with this country right now, less security, far less rights, horrible economy as a result of greedy SOB'S, etc, etc, happened on Bush's watch. They keep acting like all of this is Obama's fault and I absolutely fail to see the logic.

Then we have people who like Obama saying how he's such a wonderful guy and look at the amazing things he has done and will do. They ignore the fact that he, so far, has done a complete 180 on everything he SAID he would do. He's not going to end this war, he's trying to take the citizens only protection against a tyrannical government away, he voting for the FISA bill (which was equivalent to the gov't wiping it's behind after a nice sit down on the toilet with our Constitution), he's not going to close down Guantanamo (and if he does the 'terrorists' are just going to go to a different location with the same problems), and he's blatantly said many times he's all for the New World Order.

Aside from all that, everyone still believes they are on opposite sides, when they clearly aren't.

I'm sorry, but people here on ATS are supposed to be above all of this. So we have this thread started by the OP saying what a wonderful person Dick Cheney is and Obama just got beat down (in so many words). It's all just another thread that is a back and forth of whose party is better and who's is responsible for the coming collapse of America as we know it.

I'm really in awe that we here at ATS are still riding this bandwagon. Neither Obama, nor Cheney are patriots and most likely not a single president anytime after will be either. We should be discussing how to get our country back, not who's responsible for the state it is already in because it really doesn't matter.


reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 11:26 AM by dubiousone
reply to post by RRconservative



I read them. He says in no. 10 that " * * * on our watch, they never hit this country again".

The real question is "Did they hit our country in the first place?"

His comments assume that "they" (the incompetent Islamic terrorists) hit our country on 911. But that's an open question and will remain so until there is an honest investigaion by an investigative body that doesn't begin its work burdened with a predetermined conclusion and agenda tasked with finding facts to support the desired outcome and ignore everything else!

[edit on 5/27/2009 by dubiousone]


reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 11:52 AM by kettlebellysmith
reply to post by poet1b

Everyone wants to blame Bush for 911. Forget it. Clinton had the same intel and refused to act on it. A sniper had bin Laden in his sites, but Clinton wouldn't give the order to carry it out. I guess he was to busy with the interns to worry about national security. Want blame some one? Place it where it belongs. Right on Clinton's back.



reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 12:18 PM by poet1b
reply to post by kettlebellysmith



Clinton had the same intel and refused to act on it. A sniper had bin Laden in his sites, but Clinton wouldn't give the order to carry it out.


Really? That is a first for me. Exactly why should Clinton have given the order to have Bin Laden assassinated at this time in history before he had ever been accused of carrying out 9-11, let alone convicted of any crimes?

Do you think U.S. Presidents should be given the power of life and death over anyone on the planet they deem to be enemies of the state?

You might want to re-think this one.

Irregardless of whether or not Clinton chose not to have Bin Laden whacked, it doesn't change the fact that Bush/Cheny were in charge, and had been in charge for an adequate amount of time, to be held responsible for the security of our nation.


reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 01:02 PM by Wideawake08
Originally posted by nunya13
This is really becoming unbelievable to me. People are still bickering over who's the best president ever...Bush or Obama?

We have people who like Bush pointing to Obama saying how he's destroyed this country. They ignore that he's only been in office for about 4 months and that everything that is wrong with this country right now, less security, far less rights, horrible economy as a result of greedy SOB'S, etc, etc, happened on Bush's watch. They keep acting like all of this is Obama's fault and I absolutely fail to see the logic.

Then we have people who like Obama saying how he's such a wonderful guy and look at the amazing things he has done and will do. They ignore the fact that he, so far, has done a complete 180 on everything he SAID he would do. He's not going to end this war, he's trying to take the citizens only protection against a tyrannical government away, he voting for the FISA bill (which was equivalent to the gov't wiping it's behind after a nice sit down on the toilet with our Constitution), he's not going to close down Guantanamo (and if he does the 'terrorists' are just going to go to a different location with the same problems), and he's blatantly said many times he's all for the New World Order.

Aside from all that, everyone still believes they are on opposite sides, when they clearly aren't.

I'm sorry, but people here on ATS are supposed to be above all of this. So we have this thread started by the OP saying what a wonderful person Dick Cheney is and Obama just got beat down (in so many words). It's all just another thread that is a back and forth of whose party is better and who's is responsible for the coming collapse of America as we know it.

I'm really in awe that we here at ATS are still riding this bandwagon. Neither Obama, nor Cheney are patriots and most likely not a single president anytime after will be either. We should be discussing how to get our country back, not who's responsible for the state it is already in because it really doesn't matter.


I COULDN'T AGREE MORE..Finally someone here has said something intelligent...Until people realize there is NO REPUBLICAN PARTY and there is NO DEMOCRAT PARTY..and that there is only the right and left of the ILLUMINATI PARTY..and everything in their life is ONE GIANT HOAX we will never get our country back! It's like talking to brain dead children!


reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 03:49 PM by Stress
here goes my 2 cents:

I was just reading the many pages of this thread and I had to say something. While we are all entitled to our views, we all need to understand that we all see the world differently. What some fail to understand that as the OP supports VP Cheney and posts his reasons why, there is no need to attack him personally. I been a member here a looong time and there seemed to be a time when intelligent conversations were made and replies where to debate a topic without angry sediments. i see that a lot of that here these days.

back to the topic tho...(as some mentioned already) as us Americans argue over administrations, the real harm is being done by us. Regardless of who put us in the crapper we have been in the last century, it seems, we need to look at ourselves. Instead of arguing about who is to blame, we need to stand up and take our country back. Not with a gun either. We need to educate ourselves more on how the system really works and use it to our advantage as did the PTB. Fighting over parties, administrations, presidents, VP's, Torture....this means nothing if you sit in front of your monitors complaining about what Cheney did or didn't do, and the same for Obama. Lets stop hoping the other party fails and start uniting for equality and peace. There's a bigger picture out there (as most of our brothers and sisters across the oceans have been telling us) Us Americans sometimes are so worried about being right, we can't see what is really going on in front of us.
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