Remnants of the Illuminati, page 12

Originally posted by kshaund
I personally believe the root of all the pain and suffering in the planet is from intentional manipulation - there is NO reason for ANY person on the planet to be hungry or without a bed, yet millions experience this daily, many dying from starvation.

There is no shortage of food and water, there is more than enough to go around, some though are taking more than their fair share. We, in the West, pay more for our food (packaging, transportation, store frontage, marketing etc), what we eat and the way in which we eat it provides more jobs, which means we pay all those wages. Every single person in that chain, all the way from producer to consumer contributes to this system. We can't opt out entirely, perhaps, but we can start to. The system of manipulation that you are talking about is consumerism, by using your power as a consumer you can make a difference, by using your voice to encourage others to the same, you can make a difference and so on and so forth. Ask yourself what products you buy, who do you bank with, what shares do you own, who do you work for, where do you get your utilities from. Take it down to everything and realise just how much you spend keeping this manipulation alive. Every single one of the corporations that currently have an inordinate amount of influence in politics etc, we can live without, not one of them is in anyway essential for us, as a species, to exist. They though can't exist without us. It is not symbiosis, it is parasitism, and we consent to it.

Originally posted by kshaund
There is NO reason for wars and gang violence except that it is not just allowed, but in actuality cultivated intentionally. This is not just so we can experience "x, y, z". That is the lie being fed to us to justify the atrocities and obvious lack of any respect for life in all its forms.

That is the lie fed to us to stop us from taking the power that we hold and wielding it. There is plenty of soma, doesn't mean we have to swallow it. Have you read Brave New World?

Originally posted by kshaund
We are a shell housing a spirit/soul (whatever one calls it) simply existing here in the physical - like an analogy I heard before we are like a balloon and killing seen as no more significant to them as popping a balloon is to us.

Life is cheap on this planet, there are billions upon billions of us, we're vermin to some, it has nothing to do with body and soul, just statistics.

Originally posted by kshaund
For whatever reason (and that is my real point in trying to become enlightened (knowledgeable)) we are here in this ridiculous life of master/slave

I have yet to ascertain to my complete satisfaction what this enlightenment is that everyone speaks of, there is very little real concensus on the matter, as far as I can tell, though there are a number of 'experiences' that offer a common theme. I seek to gain as much knowledge as possible but I don't know that that will enlighten me in any way. It is not a subject that I feel confident talking about and tend to listen more than anything else, on occasion something clicks and I take a note or two, beyond that it is not something that I seek.

Originally posted by kshaund
and "what if" that is able to be manipulated beyond death (the balloon pops) --- "what if" they (the manipulators - reptiles, illuminati, satan, whatever anyone calls it, but it is most definitely real what is being done to us) can recapture that essence and send it back over and over and over again to operate one of these vessels (bodies) so they can use its energy to control, torture, cause fear in, etc. to feed unseen energies that rely on THAT for its source of existance....

I have no fear of what might happen to me after death, what is the point, I might as well be scared of living, same thing. I exist in the present and look only so far ahead as I need to in order to establish my next destination. I don’t worry about the type of things that you worry about. However what you describe, it may be possible, but I would have thought it would have limitations, operationally. Either way, I don’t believe that those type of energies feed the source of existence, my belief though and a matter of debate. On reflection, they do feed the source of creation. Possibly. At times.

Originally posted by kshaund
Would you be satisfied believing you've had thousands of lives without taste and now you have and not give much thought to your next passage?

I would be satisfied, I realise others may not. But I consider it a possible, as I consider all of them possibles, no confirmation one way or another as far as I can tell, I’m not even remotely concerned about my next life (per se), I’m too busy living this one, for better or worse. Ask me again perhaps in a few years time when I’m a little further along the line. I may feel differently.

Anyway, according to the general gist of all the teachings, doctrine aside, I know that despite a few relatively minor infractions, I’m pretty much sorted so I don’t have anything to worry about it in that respect anyway. So I don’t. Ce sera sera.

Originally posted by kshaund
To me that's all part of the Great Lie and what I've spent 40+ years trying to figure out - Why we're REALLY here. How can we REALLY exercise freedom at death. Because at this point (past ten or so years), I've come to believe we are recycled (directed) and not reincarnated (choice). And to me, that is my PRIME concern in my existance - reclaiming real freedom to exist anywhere in existance and not have to be mind-swiped here over and over again so that we're like kidnapped and brainwashed to believing otherwise.

I really don’t know. Would knowing one way or another make you worry any less? Or do you think you would find a new demon to fear? I don’t want to die, but I am dying and will (in this form) cease to exist one day. There is absolutely nothing I can do to prevent that, so why worry about that eventuality, I’d only be chasing shadows, I prefer things I can get a good grip on.

Originally posted by kshaund
And just to tie that into the Shards of the Illuminati - either Maban was lied to or he is lying and that just provides another layer of crap to filter through. Maybe there really is NOTHING and NO ONE above and beyond who cares one iota about us (because in my opinion, this type of slavery simply shouldn't be allowed to exist).... but that's me....

I am not a slave. Lol, I know because my national anthem tells me so. I have free will and I exercise it. The only hindrance to my progress is myself. But then I am fortunate to have been born in Britain, to receive a good education and benefit from a conscientious parent. Others are not so fortunate, terrible destruction is being wrought on this planet, and I do worry about that, and I seek to understand that in the hope that I may come up with a solution one day, if not I will die trying. It is an absolute pisser that I have to pay taxes, but until I come up with a better system or get off my arse and run for office that is the system that is in place. I may not have access to the entire buffet but nor do I accept that the reasons for being denied that access are valid. Boundaries exist to be breached and redrawn, broken through again and again, when we it right we can stick with it, but until then, someone has to do the breaking…

Originally posted by kshaund
The Illuminati has existed for thousands if not millions of years here and elsewhere - just have either been in a different part of history (like pharoahs) or our history doesn't even have anything about them for periods of time. Prime example of the meek not inheriting anything - just being run over by the dominants and greedy throughout all our known history.

Illumination as a concept as existed for many, many, many years, terrestrially speaking, I have no frame of reference beyond that, but I personally don’t think that there is a body that has existed in a cohesive and pure form in that time, I think that any such thing would have shed it’s skin many times. You yourself refer to the relationship between knowledge and enlightenment, with knowledge you cannot remain the same, you grow, transform, become anew. The skin shed in this case would be the remnants, that part which refused to grow. In my opinion.

Look at our history, the meek are brutalised by the might and grow a new generation bred to take vengeance. The Corporations have no intention of breaking that cycle, it keeps the CEOs in million pound end of year bonuses. The change has to come from below.

What of the share holders, the little people, with a hundred or so invested, not much, but a thousand of them, ten thousand, a million…they pay for the corp to expand its investments into Darfur, Nigeria, the Congo, wherever there are new markets to be exploited. The fact that all those share holders then demand a dividend keeps the ball rolling and more shares go up for sale spreading the load of the sins being committed even further. Ignorance is no excuse in my book.

Every single cog in the machinery contributes to the motion.

Originally posted by kshaund
So Divine Intervention? Bring it on! We've been lied to since before birth and yet "we're" the ones who are supposed to be responsible for "creating this" and therefore "it's our responsibility not just that it's here in the first place, but also if we """fail""" to change it, that's on us, NOT THE PERPETRATORS". See how they (religions, belief systems, new agers, etc.) always make it not just "our fault" but also "our responsibility" to change it when changing it (on this plane) isn't even possible!!!! There's the Lie in a nutshell.

How do you think the Divine should intervene? How do you know that the Divine isn’t intervening? Yes we are told lies, but we choose to believe them. As I said, I am fortunate, others do not have access to a free education as I did, more still do not know how to use that access as effectively, others are too busy trying to survive. The world will never become a paradise overnight, probably, I am sure that exists amongst someone’s possibles…but…that does not mean I do not have the power to enact change, I simply have to be somewhat realistic or relative in my aims.

I don’t blame anyone, I simply accept responsibility for that which I am responsible.

Originally posted by kshaund
I'm NOT responsible for any of this planet's sufferings! The Illuminati/Reptiles, whoever they ultimately are are the ones responsible! And if we don't become enlightened with knowledge now, we are doomed to be their slave again and again because the worst I can see is they behold our souls through technology and unless we learn now, we just keep following what's put before us as has been done before.

And how do you suggest this is achieved? I am not a slave, why do you think that you are? Sincerely, what about your existence enslaves you personally? If you don’t want to follow, walk in the other direction and forget about what everyone else is doing.

Originally posted by kshaund
I absolutely enjoy many things about they physical world! What I can't reconcile is the atrocities allowed again and again and again and justified over and over and over - Morgellons, H1N1, Gangs/Mafia, nuclear war, Guatanamo, etc. etc. etc. Yep, I surely do try and enjoy every moment because you just never know when it'll be your last.

I don’t see any immediate connection between those events…but…Who is allowing the atrocities to take place if not us the witnesses? We all offer our silent consent. Whatever change it is that you want to happen, no matter how small that change may be, still requires action on your part, no one is going to do that for you because they may not care about the same things that you do. If you care it is up to you to act, no one else, not unless you are willing to stand up and convince them of the need to do so. A favourite Mabanism of mine, we are our own worst enemy (or that general idea). Choice, it’s always there, but you have to look for it and you have to decide whether to take it.