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posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 09:28 PM
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Why did you refer to it as hurting your eyes?

My view of this existance is indeed dark - which also urges me to enjoy the moment and beware of ultimate manipulations. The shadow government aren't humans - I don't believe they have souls - and that's why I don't believe we can do anything to change them. Enjoy the moment. Be what you most admire in others. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Don't believe everything you read and half the things you see.




posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 10:38 PM
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Well, now. I don't know why, but I have to link these two things together. Who cares. I'm gonna do it. Just gotta. Can't help myself. The urge is overpowering.

When a Chosen Tibetan Lama says 'no thanks'

Well, I did it. I feel at peace.

Good for a nice little chuckle at my expense no? Y'all're prob'ly thinkin', "What's wrong with that EU dude? So many strange ideas that don't make sense."

Like the scorpion said, "It's my nature."



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 09:52 AM
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I just meant all the white/gray/black/bold/quoted text was kind of hard to read.

I think I will re-read it today to see if I can get more meaning out of it.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by kshaund

I hope you appreciate the humor in that paragraph - when I read it the first time I read it as ..... Male full frontal nudity is always a plus too and have played with it a few times.....

Sorry, the visuals were very funny and wanted to share that with you - I realized right away you were referring to playing with the consciousness thing - but it did give me a chuckle, which is always welcome in these times!


Yes, I could have phrased that better. No need to apologise for being amused, quite see the funny side myself.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by EnlightenUp
What exactly did Maban say or do that might have offended someone, regardless of whether or not it was his intent? If he thought to mention it, he must have something in mind.


He did refer to the thread as tiresome, that could be deemed a little churlish, bordering on offensive...or you did reveal his desire to wring my neck, I may have been offended by that. Either way, his latest missive, I couldn't help be notice that he seems to have found some time for relaxation in the interim, seems decidely chilled. It suits him.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:46 PM
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At Maban's request a couple weeks back I passed along his email address to the other two. Cadbury has been offline due to internet issues and it's hard to communicate with him.

The third has been busy and I haven't been able to have a discussion with her/him about all this.

This morning a message was waiting for me:


I am beginning to think that my presence will not amount to much change, the damage has been done and It is time to move on.

I have yet to hear from any but you, so I feel any need for my presence is long gone.

I feel the best thing I can do now is simply let my work die, those whom took something away are the few whom have benefited.

I genuinely feel like I have overstayed my welcome.

I think it best for all if I leave well enough alone.

Perhaps in five- ten years time it will be right again to try as we have before.

- Maban



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
He did refer to the thread as tiresome, that could be deemed a little churlish, bordering on offensive


Hmmm. I don't remember this. Probably just me though.


...or you did reveal his desire to wring my neck, I may have been offended by that.


Nothing about neck ringing seemed to indicate any offense on your part. You appeared to laugh it off. You two had a mildly volatile rapport from the beginning anyway.


Either way, his latest missive, I couldn't help be notice that he seems to have found some time for relaxation in the interim, seems decidely chilled. It suits him.


He hasn't had to deal with us directly for awhile.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 07:45 PM
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See now, that is churlish right there. Five to ten years my white bunny slippers, he ain't goin' nowhere. He needs us too much. It keeps him in contact with this enigmatic place in which the rest of us live-- well, most of us. ATS is a twilight world bridging the chasm between those exposed in the light and those hidden in the shadows.



posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by emsed1
At Maban's request a couple weeks back I passed along his email address to the other two. Cadbury has been offline due to internet issues and it's hard to communicate with him.

The third has been busy and I haven't been able to have a discussion with her/him about all this.

This morning a message was waiting for me:


I am beginning to think that my presence will not amount to much change, the damage has been done and It is time to move on.

I have yet to hear from any but you, so I feel any need for my presence is long gone.

I feel the best thing I can do now is simply let my work die, those whom took something away are the few whom have benefited.

I genuinely feel like I have overstayed my welcome.

I think it best for all if I leave well enough alone.

Perhaps in five- ten years time it will be right again to try as we have before.

- Maban


So a couple of weeks without contact and the whole thing is up in smoke. May I say you are somewhat defeatist, and more importantly, a little ungrateful for the sterling work that emsed1 has put in.

Pull yourself together man! Hiccups happen, people have lives and I am sure that when they are good and ready they will be in touch. If not, so be it, chalk it up and move on. It is not the end of the world (yet!).



posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 10:05 AM
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have any of you seen the "fulford vs illuminati" thread? I really dont know what to make of it, but would like to hears some of your views on it.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I dont know if I linked it right but here ya go.

Love and Light



posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by EnlightenUp
I will share some thoughts on how collective consciousness is collectively used to isolate the individual which may explain the resistance. Perhaps my actual feelings about a theory itself are in between the lines as why would I use it if I didn't have a favorable bias?


Interesting choice of words...favourable to whom? And, how would you use it? Out of curiousity.


Originally posted by EnlightenUp
I think that the term "collective" used in the context of humanity has become somewhat of a perjorative given the associations with mob behavior or oppressive regimes. The past century especially has given people pause to declare themselves any part of a perceived "hive mind", whether it be because of atrocities committed by groups or because of glorification of the individual self. A collective is seen a structure in which we lose our prized individuality and perhaps even our human rights.


I think the mistake that people make is assuming that mob behaviour is in any way connected to the collective consciousness. I suppose Star Trek has in some ways further promoted this idea with the Borg, as a homogenised, single brained organism. That is not how I would describe it or perceive it. I would in many ways present the hypothese that it is in fact the opposite, and that most certainly, that it is only by leaving the 'Hive mind' that you can access the collective consciousness. If you think of the collective as being able to perceive the feelings or emotions, or rather the suffering of others, then war would only be possible by switching it off.


Originally posted by EnlightenUp
With the animal kingdom, identification of their kind as something other than human and something separate from, does not trigger the defense mechanisms required to maintain the view in which we have been indoctrinated. We may freely speak of collectives within that sphere, without triggering our conditioned responses.


I favour the Triune Brain model, it is not everyone's cup of tea, but I find that it presents a highly valid basis upon which to group human behaviours in terms of function and the evolutionary time line. The majority of primates do not demonstrate 'herding', 'swarming' or seasonal migratory patterns. They live in relatively small social groups and they bond through sensual expression; touch, language, sex etc. They do not need to communicate 'extra sensorially'. This suggests that we, as primates, stopped using our ‘collective’ perceptions in favour of more evolutionary advanced methods of communication prior to developing a spoken (rather than non-verbal or guttural) language. The more complex the brain development, evolutionary, the less complex, in terms of numbers and relationships, the group becomes. The ability to be perceived and to perceive ‘others’ would become more and more of a threat depending upon the level of competition. It is competition that necessitates a disconnection from the collective.





Originally posted by EnlightenUp
In fact, I will go so far as to say it helps us justify and alleviate guilt about our maltreatment of other terrestrial species, the only salient aspect of their nature being that of their species, not the individual organisms.


I agree. I also think that the constant seeking for an external enemy fits in with this, those that crave an alien enemy, or even the fear of the all-seeing-all-controlling elite fall into not only a strategy for self-victimisation in preference to self-governance, but also into a marketing campaign to keep us from accepting responsibility and therefore keeping us buying whatever it is that is being sold to us (we care not what, we like to be told what we should have). If we are victims, it justifies our victimisation of others and other life. As long as someone or something is on the bottom the status quo is maintained. There is seemingly a constant shuffling to ensure that someone is on the bottom. That is the conditioning, we must always know that there is something worse or something better. What I find though, more and more, is that the notion that in order to get ‘up there’, you have to ‘cut corners’ is promoted. To get to the top you have to be bad seems to be the rule rather than the exception in the mainstream. It is good to be bad. I wonder if it can all be traced back to who shot JR, we shouldn’t have cared, one less bad guy, but the whole world did.


Originally posted by EnlightenUp
We can sleep comfortably knowing that they are different and do not share any similar individual experiences. Especially important is to discount their individual suffering.


This is what I mean about how when you realise the ‘collective’ you actually remove yourself from the ‘hive’. The hive is single minded, the collective is many minds and the realisation of all suffering. The switching of awareness from a single focused reality, to an awareness of all reality.


Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Industrialization combined with a Protestant work ethic served to force people to cut ties with community and force them into large cities. With minimal support from others, they could be exploited to work their lives away in factories, with minimal pay, no social mobility and no time for liesurly activities. Conditioning the worker this way is important in that any will to serve another in an altruistic gesture is broken, to make him believe that to give is to take away from one's self. With the support system cut off, you can manipulate the people by threatening their livelyhoods if they do not cooperate. They cannot as easily object to their conditions since there is no safety net on which to depend. Note that I am not necessarily discussing the availablity of welfare programs or transfer payments but also that of maintaining a circle of others who are there when you need them and will happily assist you in less bountiful times. If an individual has that support, they can pick and choose the means of their survival more freely, for whom they work and just what they are willing to do in that line of work.


I agree again. The Protestant Work Ethic is and was a major factor in our movement into Imperialism. It not only created a compliant working class, it also created a benevolent middle-class who created establishments of care and welfare which although in the long term it led to a dependency of survival on state or organisations, in the short term, it allowed Britain to dedicate funds to expansion. The Protestant Work Ethic, to the empirically ambitious nation, was a, literal, god send. The British, had under Elizabeth First learnt that taking a flexible stance, denominationally, was better for trade. The Anglicans justified the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade with the Protestant Work Ethic. It was essential to enslave them for their salvation. The British only adopted Protestantism in order to gain a trade treaty with the Lutheran Prussians. The Prussian were our protection in Europe, allowing us to focus on expansion into the Indies and to develop our technological superiority (however short lived…collective karma should always be a consideration). We adopted the Book of Common Prayer to appease their fears that we were too ‘Catholic’, which in fact we were. At the top at least. It is always a little too clear in British history. Religion was very much a tool of the English, geo-politically speaking. Still is.


Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Additionally, it is not to say that Protestantism itself is a necessary ingredient, just the view that individual material success is more important than strong community bonds along with the idea that one must outcompete another to ensure their own survival, which creating a perception of scarcity helps to reinforce.


I do think it is necessary, Protestantism, as a phase at least. I wonder at how much though is engineering, and how much is ‘natural’, a process or phase that we have to pass through in our social evolution. I don’t see how we could have reached this point without it. Without the Protestant Work Ethic in application in Britain, especially in it’s benevolent extremism in Quakerism, the Industrial Revolution couldn’t have happened. However, it can also be argued that without slavery it wouldn’t have happened either (the industrial revolution that is). Is it Protestantism or the need to exploit, or does one justify the other? It can send a girl cross-eyed. Something in our nature that requires someone to be on top and someone at the bottom. Or so it seems.


Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Keep in mind that the ones that revered the bees were the ones that could also be considered the elite ruling class. They knew better about the interdependencies and connectedness regardless of the lies they promulgated to those that served them. To an extent, they believed their own lies if they needed to exhalt themselves so far above the peons. The beehive could be looked at as a symbol of hoarding the precious gold from those outside the more priviliged community. Eventually though, the badgers outside get hungry, adapt, become immune to the stings and will raid the hive.


I am currently reading a book on the barbarisation of warfare on the Eastern front 1941-45 (and it’s wider implications). There is a fascinating chapter on the ‘media’ that the front line soldier was exposed to, even after a day fighting what is still one of the bloodiest wars ever fought, the German soldier would watch films supplied by the Ministry of Propaganda for ‘Ideological indoctrination’. The ‘cinema’ would travel from unit to unit by van. Additionally, there were radio receiver vans, newspapers, magazines and leaflets. They were completely immersed, as were those back home in Germany, in the ideology of National Socialism, there was no room for the individual perception. I think that this in some ways confirms my own perception that the collective is an act of free will and therefore once gained needs no effort to maintain connectivity, quite the reverse in fact, and that the hive is purely a man made construct, and requires therefore constant tending.

But, that is what TV is for, and why I very seldom partake of it.


Originally posted by EnlightenUp
The scientific community, largely being raised within the masses and exposed to the societal, or even religious conditioning, will fall prey to the now endemic cultural suggestions. They must serve to expand knowledge, rather than emphasizing individual recognition. It may be against the interest of those in power, who wish to preserve the old ways, to discourage those in positions of intellectual authority from helping us restore our proper awareness. Much like the lowly worker, they may be kept in line by threatening their means of livelyhood. Really, they are just lowly workers as well.


Agreed. Very much so. The promotion of occupational and educational specialisation are to me indicative of this attitude. Keeping the masses in little boxes to prevent ecumenical (and dissenting) thought.


Originally posted by EnlightenUp
The perception of separateness and complete self-reliance is an unnatural one, one used for control by fear. It is a shared delusion. Reject it.



Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
I suppose if I comment on this, I will comment over there in context. If you wouldn't mind, drop me into the thread with a link at the correct point; the posts are quite lengthy. I had a peep and saw a lecture in progress on U.S. Constitutional law.


Lazy and I are plotting to take over the world (in our own minds only at present, or in my mind at least, but it’s a start…) and we both have a lot to say on the subject it seems, it is a lengthy discussion and goes pretty much around every house on the block.

No need to comment but I do think you might find it interesting. It is right at the bottom of the last post…but I will add a link once I’ve posted this.



posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 10:40 AM
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Whoopsey! Seems I went over my character limit in the above post and therefore cannot add anything to it without large portions vanishing.

The link therefore:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Edit: In fact, sod it, this is the article in question (or excerpt there of)...makes life a little easier if I just post that for your benefit and anyone else who may be interested.


Originally posted by KilgoreTrout


By chaord, I mean any self-organizing, self governing, adaptive, nonlinear, complex organism, organization, community or system, whether physical, biological or social, the behavior of which harmoniously blends characteristics of both chaos and order. Loosely translated to business, it can be thought of as an organization that harmoniously blends characteristics of competition and cooperation; or from the perspective of education, an organization that seamlessly blends theoretical and experiential learning. As I learned from the formation and operation of Visa, an early archetype of such organizations, they require a much different consciousness about the leader/follower dichotomy.

Leader presumes follower. Follower presumes choice. One who is coerced to the purposes, objectives, or preferences of another is not a follower in any true sense of the word, but an object of manipulation. Nor is the relationship materially altered if both parties voluntarily accept the dominance of one by the other. A true leader cannot be bound to lead. A true follower cannot be bound to follow. The moment they are bound they are no longer leader or follower. If the behavior of either is compelled, whether by force, economic necessity, or contractual arrangement, the relationship is altered to one of superior/subordinate, manager/employee, master/servant, or owner/slave. All such relationships are materially different from leader/follower.

Induced behavior is the essence of leader/follower. Compelled behavior is the essence of all the other relational concepts. Where behavior is compelled, there you will find tyranny, however benign. Where behavior is induced, there you will find leadership, however powerful. Leadership does not necessarily imply constructive, ethical, open conduct. It is entirely possible to induce destructive, malign, devious behavior, and to do so by corrupt means. Therefore, a clear, constructive purpose and compelling ethical principles evoked from and shared by all participants should be the essence of every relationship in every institution.

A vital question is how to insure that those who lead are constructive, ethical, open, and honest. The answer is to follow those who behave in that manner. It comes down to both individual and collective sense of where and how people choose to be led. In a very real sense, followers lead by choosing where to be led. Where an organizational community will be led is inseparable from the shared values and beliefs of its members.


www.pfdf.org...





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posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 10:42 AM
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I've watched the youtube video announcement by Fulford and the 33rd degree Freemason. They are saying all the right things and it was encouraging to hear Fulford say to the Italian Prince that the Illuminati will be judged by their upcoming actions not by their words. The Italian guy seemed since but then again if this was a hoax or stalling tactic by the Illuminati, then you would expect them to send someone who appeared sincere, right?

If this is all legit and above board then it's great news for the planet. Let's hope so.



posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by AKARonco
have any of you seen the "fulford vs illuminati" thread? I really dont know what to make of it, but would like to hears some of your views on it.


Like everyone that claims to be in the Illuminati fold in some capacity, he seems to have his own version of evens, plans, philosophy and perhaps religion. I haven't watched it yet but I will.

Curiously, Maban commented on Leo Zagami in the following thread by VisionQuest:
Leo Zagami: Illuminati Whistleblower (video)

Maban was the first to reply, stating that Mr. Zagami is either a Remnant or a disinfo agent.

I have not watched that video either. Something about him brings a nauseating feeling to my stomach and I am not looking forward to sitting through any interviews. I'll do it anyway for Jedi training purposes.

[edit on 6/12/2009 by EnlightenUp]



posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 04:33 PM
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Thanks EnlightenUp, I tend to agree, I did not realize this was the same guy maban had commented about previously. He didnt really seem legitimate to me, but I like the message. he almost seemed to flippant, or childish to me...but who am I??? let me know what you think after you watch it, its only 9 minutes or so.

Love and Light

wow, that other vid you linked to is over an hour long. I do not have time to watch that, I can hardly understand leo anyway.

funny thing though, maban shut that thread down, only 1 other post besides maban, and it was a question to maban...intersting.

so with all thats gone on here, what is the concensus(sp) on Maban?
is he alive? is he still who we (most of us) thought he was?


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posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 01:29 AM
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Originally posted by kshaund
I also personally don't believe the future is never set and remains always in humanity's hands and no one elses! Just sounds too pat especially in light of all the crap raining around us (H1N1 flu and its obvious deadly end; war; recession; FEMA, etc. etc. etc.) and we're supposed to believe we can change it?????


Why shouldn’t we be able to change it? We made the situation, humanity, surely we therefore have the capability to turn it around. The Swine Flu is only another flu, it is only a pandemic because it has affected individuals in more than one continent. It is no deadlier than any other flu and it will unlikely kill as many as the Spanish Flu, it certainly will not kill anywhere near as many people as malaria and HIV are killing, but the difference is those people are not white, and we care less about non-white nations.

Recession? So what? FEMA? So what? There are far more serious problems affecting humanity and this planet, but we worry about ourselves and as long as it doesn’t touch us we don’t really see it. Swine flu, bird flu, FEMA, recession all provide the necessary distraction from the fact that people really are suffering, rather than sitting around worrying that they may one day suffer…which is what you are doing.


Originally posted by kshaund
We've been lied to since we were created hundreds of thousands of years ago - this lumen thing is suppose to have been here for millions of years observing - well observation isn't going to help us - only divine intervention will since we've been slaves for ever with virtually no hope of ever knowing the truth because their "plan" is flawless as it has worked for billions of years everywhere else –


If we were created as you believe then it was a darn sight longer ago that a few thousands years ago. By my estimation, any interference, positive or negative that occurred in our development would have had to have taken place at least 5 million years ago around the time we went bipedal. Any later or for that matter earlier and it makes no sense, for me that is the only possible window of opportunity.

I agree that Divine intervention may help, but unfortunately it seems that most of us are unaware of how to recognise that divinity even when it slaps us in the face with a wet fish. The majority are looking for it in entirely the wrong place for starters. Until we realise that, we will be enslaved, but through choice, we are just reluctant to acknowledge that we have that choice, the alternative, to blame, to claim powerlessness, is so much easier.


Originally posted by kshaund
I could liken it to a borg mentality ruling us - the shadow government, whatever you want to call it, has been around forever doing this and we can change the future?!? Is that what they told all the other civilizations taken over ?


The shadow government, may exist, but it can be seen if you look closely enough at how institutions and systems function. They don’t hide themselves, not really, they don’t need to we’re all pretty much in their thrall as it is. We passively sit by paying our taxes so that they can wage wars and rape the planet. We get ourselves into a frenzy over an outbreak of the sniffles, while children are dying, horribly and painfully from disease and conflict, which we in the West have the power to stop. Before long Africa will have suffered the depopulation that those in North America so fear hitting their doorsteps, but think about it, why kill off those that have an income to pay taxes and a disposable income to buy the crap that all their exploitation of resources provide for us to buy, when they could kill off the poor black Africans and then take over their resources wholesale. Just look at Tanzania, the World Bank has lent millions for the industrial, agricultural and communications development of the country, it has provided no loans to support education and health programmes of the indiginenous peoples who are being devastated by the Malaria, HIV double whammy. By the time Tanzania comes on line as the new bread basket of the world there is likely to be very few Tanzanians left and the country will be ripe for whitening.


Originally posted by kshaund
All we can control is our response to everything. All we can do is learn as much as we can about our real origins and understand how trapped our souls literally are here. We cannot change what they've been doing for billions of years! It's (I think) very revealing as to Maban's lack of deep knowledge and irresponsible to again foist upon people "you can change the future, it's in your control" - I say BS it's in our control! That's one of the great lies - it doesn't mean we can't maneuver, but that we are in charge of our destiny and karma and and and all that other stuff that keeps us as VICTIMS! We created this reality - therefore " insert blame here " and if you don't change it then YOU are " insert blame here ".


It may keep you a victim, it most certainly doesn’t have that effect on me and I do believe that we can change but I appreciate that there are too few who truly understand that as yet. But onwards and upwards, while there is life there is hope as someone recently said.


Originally posted by kshaund
Sorry - I just don't read any depth in Maban's message. I believe he is a fraud for that reason


Does there necessarily have to be any depth to the message? I find it is the simplicity of the message that touches me, it is plain and without need for thought and contemplation, it is what it is. Refreshing somewhat. Of course the interpretation is all my own, as is how I intend to implement it, personally, but perhaps you are looking too hard, or maybe you are looking for someone else to answer all your questions. And of course that all elusive, media promoted, hero.

Out of interest, you have referred a number of times to your own research into our origins but you have not sourced that information or extrapolated in any way, to my knowledge. As far as I can recall no one has called you a liar or a fraud for your inability or unwillingness to do that. As I say, sometimes it is in the simplicity, ‘treat others as you wish to be treated yourself’, ‘let he who is without sin cast the first stone’, ‘judge not lest you be judged’. I may not believe all that Maban has said or claimed to be, but I am assured of his good intention, and since he has never asked me to prove myself to him, why should I not afford him the same courtesy?



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by KilgoreTrout

Originally posted by EnlightenUp
I will share some thoughts on how collective consciousness is collectively used to isolate the individual which may explain the resistance. Perhaps my actual feelings about a theory itself are in between the lines as why would I use it if I didn't have a favorable bias?


Interesting choice of words...favourable to whom? And, how would you use it? Out of curiousity.


Is there equivocation going on as to the meaning of "collective consciousness"?

What I'm saying is that collective memes are used to make the connections invisible to those within the collective system. By using that to bolster my ideas, I am admitting a tacit acceptance of collectivity, no? Those bound by the instilled illusion of separateness do in fact continuously attempt to guage the state of others, if only to make sure they are blending into the background fabric rather than standing out as conspicuous elements of a foreground pattern.

There is a fine line between a hive mind and a collective consciousness which facilitates transmutation, likely in the form of a refocusing of attention.


If you think of the collective as being able to perceive the feelings or emotions, or rather the suffering of others, then war would only be possible by switching it off.


I will wager that there are masochistic individuals who would derive ever more pleasure from being able to directly perceive the suffering of others. I have no illusions that people becoming more aware in itself will make them kinder, more loving or necessarily foster any other positive traits. It is possible to (re)awaken to a dark path.


I favour the Triune Brain model


In that case, you know that David Icke should realize that we are the reptilian shape shifters.


What I find though, more and more, is that the notion that in order to get ‘up there’, you have to ‘cut corners’ is promoted. To get to the top you have to be bad seems to be the rule rather than the exception in the mainstream. It is good to be bad.


I have had more than my fair share of "attractive opportunities" available. Had an unscrupulous charter been in my shoes, it could have spelled big trouble.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 08:48 PM
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emsed1,

Wake up! Finical man. Have you decided not to emcee this little mixer any more?

Don't worry, noone here is out to get you. I'm not sure that helps but it's the honest truth.

Tell us about your dreams, which I think are relevent to this topic.



[edit on 6/15/2009 by EnlightenUp]



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 09:25 AM
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Hehe... sorry to be absent as of late.

I have been 'herding cats' at work...

"The number is THREE......"



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Is there equivocation going on as to the meaning of "collective consciousness"?


Haha...very possibly, but it is not entirely intentional, I'm still running the possible equations.


Originally posted by EnlightenUp
What I'm saying is that collective memes are used to make the connections invisible to those within the collective system. By using that to bolster my ideas, I am admitting a tacit acceptance of collectivity, no?


Ah...I see what you mean.


Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Those bound by the instilled illusion of separateness do in fact continuously attempt to guage the state of others, if only to make sure they are blending into the background fabric rather than standing out as conspicuous elements of a foreground pattern.


The desire to conform do you mean?


Originally posted by EnlightenUp
There is a fine line between a hive mind and a collective consciousness which facilitates transmutation, likely in the form of a refocusing of attention.


In The Once and Future King by T H White, Merlin tranforms Wart into an ant and in doing so Wart learns the lesson of beligerence, it is clear that White is using WW2 as his model and the nature of the ant world is a fair comparison of those times, more so than the hive. Perhaps I am looking at it too closely, perhaps I just don't like the term hive.

I am not entirely sure and I think perhaps that I am mistaking the collective consciousness with the collective unconscious. I must reread Durkheim.


Originally posted by EnlightenUp
I will wager that there are masochistic individuals who would derive ever more pleasure from being able to directly perceive the suffering of others. I have no illusions that people becoming more aware in itself will make them kinder, more loving or necessarily foster any other positive traits. It is possible to (re)awaken to a dark path.


I think it is sadists that enjoy the suffering of others. But I agree that 'enlightenment' of any kind does not make someone automatically a better person, quite the contrary in some cases and in others, especially those whose awareness is gained experentially, it can result in a paranoia that is highly inhibitive and destructive in of itself. In the latter case the individual can go either way due to the isolation of the experience.


Originally posted by EnlightenUp
In that case, you know that David Icke should realize that we are the reptilian shape shifters.


Abso-blumming-lutely. Except I think we are much more bird like, it's the covetous attraction to shiny things that seems our weakness. That and the nesting instinct.


Originally posted by EnlightenUp
I have had more than my fair share of "attractive opportunities" available. Had an unscrupulous charter been in my shoes, it could have spelled big trouble.


There are penalties to taking, especially at the expense of others, many of them purely psychological but they still become an unnecessary burden. It is a slippery slope and one that is arresting to development (IMO) and ultimately unsatisfying I should think.



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