Remnants of the Illuminati, page 10

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout

Originally posted by kshaund
I also personally don't believe the future is never set and remains always in humanity's hands and no one elses! Just sounds too pat especially in light of all the crap raining around us (H1N1 flu and its obvious deadly end; war; recession; FEMA, etc. etc. etc.) and we're supposed to believe we can change it?????

Why shouldn’t we be able to change it? We made the situation, humanity, surely we therefore have the capability to turn it around. The Swine Flu is only another flu, it is only a pandemic because it has affected individuals in more than one continent. It is no deadlier than any other flu and it will unlikely kill as many as the Spanish Flu, it certainly will not kill anywhere near as many people as malaria and HIV are killing, but the difference is those people are not white, and we care less about non-white nations.

Recession? So what? FEMA? So what? There are far more serious problems affecting humanity and this planet, but we worry about ourselves and as long as it doesn’t touch us we don’t really see it. Swine flu, bird flu, FEMA, recession all provide the necessary distraction from the fact that people really are suffering, rather than sitting around worrying that they may one day suffer…which is what you are doing.

Originally posted by kshaund
We've been lied to since we were created hundreds of thousands of years ago - this lumen thing is suppose to have been here for millions of years observing - well observation isn't going to help us - only divine intervention will since we've been slaves for ever with virtually no hope of ever knowing the truth because their "plan" is flawless as it has worked for billions of years everywhere else –

If we were created as you believe then it was a darn sight longer ago that a few thousands years ago. By my estimation, any interference, positive or negative that occurred in our development would have had to have taken place at least 5 million years ago around the time we went bipedal. Any later or for that matter earlier and it makes no sense, for me that is the only possible window of opportunity.

I agree that Divine intervention may help, but unfortunately it seems that most of us are unaware of how to recognise that divinity even when it slaps us in the face with a wet fish. The majority are looking for it in entirely the wrong place for starters. Until we realise that, we will be enslaved, but through choice, we are just reluctant to acknowledge that we have that choice, the alternative, to blame, to claim powerlessness, is so much easier.

Originally posted by kshaund
I could liken it to a borg mentality ruling us - the shadow government, whatever you want to call it, has been around forever doing this and we can change the future?!? Is that what they told all the other civilizations taken over ?

The shadow government, may exist, but it can be seen if you look closely enough at how institutions and systems function. They don’t hide themselves, not really, they don’t need to we’re all pretty much in their thrall as it is. We passively sit by paying our taxes so that they can wage wars and rape the planet. We get ourselves into a frenzy over an outbreak of the sniffles, while children are dying, horribly and painfully from disease and conflict, which we in the West have the power to stop. Before long Africa will have suffered the depopulation that those in North America so fear hitting their doorsteps, but think about it, why kill off those that have an income to pay taxes and a disposable income to buy the crap that all their exploitation of resources provide for us to buy, when they could kill off the poor black Africans and then take over their resources wholesale. Just look at Tanzania, the World Bank has lent millions for the industrial, agricultural and communications development of the country, it has provided no loans to support education and health programmes of the indiginenous peoples who are being devastated by the Malaria, HIV double whammy. By the time Tanzania comes on line as the new bread basket of the world there is likely to be very few Tanzanians left and the country will be ripe for whitening.

Originally posted by kshaund
All we can control is our response to everything. All we can do is learn as much as we can about our real origins and understand how trapped our souls literally are here. We cannot change what they've been doing for billions of years! It's (I think) very revealing as to Maban's lack of deep knowledge and irresponsible to again foist upon people "you can change the future, it's in your control" - I say BS it's in our control! That's one of the great lies - it doesn't mean we can't maneuver, but that we are in charge of our destiny and karma and and and all that other stuff that keeps us as VICTIMS! We created this reality - therefore " insert blame here " and if you don't change it then YOU are " insert blame here ".

It may keep you a victim, it most certainly doesn’t have that effect on me and I do believe that we can change but I appreciate that there are too few who truly understand that as yet. But onwards and upwards, while there is life there is hope as someone recently said.

Originally posted by kshaund
Sorry - I just don't read any depth in Maban's message. I believe he is a fraud for that reason

Does there necessarily have to be any depth to the message? I find it is the simplicity of the message that touches me, it is plain and without need for thought and contemplation, it is what it is. Refreshing somewhat. Of course the interpretation is all my own, as is how I intend to implement it, personally, but perhaps you are looking too hard, or maybe you are looking for someone else to answer all your questions. And of course that all elusive, media promoted, hero.

Out of interest, you have referred a number of times to your own research into our origins but you have not sourced that information or extrapolated in any way, to my knowledge. As far as I can recall no one has called you a liar or a fraud for your inability or unwillingness to do that. As I say, sometimes it is in the simplicity, ‘treat others as you wish to be treated yourself’, ‘let he who is without sin cast the first stone’, ‘judge not lest you be judged’. I may not believe all that Maban has said or claimed to be, but I am assured of his good intention, and since he has never asked me to prove myself to him, why should I not afford him the same courtesy?

I'd like to reply to all this, but I'm not adept at the quote/quote stuff - I just don't believe we can create our future (in its entirety) and that its our fault for the present (in its entirety) because we have been manipulated as 'citizens' for as long as its been. It could well be millions of years back that we were tinkered with, as you suggest. But tinkered with, yes, I believe that is so. I believe God, as generally perceived by any religion, is nothing more than a genetic scientist and ancient manipulators in our face, yes.