Put your Crosses Up Fight the Evil. +

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When I first read "Put your Crosses Up Fight the Evil. +" I thought you were rallying another crucade to the Holy Land. How boring...

Hadith Qudsi 19:5: "The Prophet said that Allah commanded him to destroy all the musical instruments, idols, crosses and all the trappings of ignorance."
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Yes even crosses, and the Koran does say destroy them, throughout Europe Muslims have brought the Cross to the Justice system to court because of Biblephobia because it offends them. It happened in Italy but the case was lost, there was the demand that cemetries should not have crosses if Muslims are burried there. There seems to be a people out there with a narrow minded view of the world, one is Islam the other is Infidel.

I am afraid that a Holy war is creeping in slowly but it is like carbon monoxide it is hard to detect, either fight for the Cross of lose it, the cross is a message of tolerance, Jesus died because of intolerance and so is your freedoms.

Your freedoms are dying on the Cross with Jesus.

You may say it is down to interpretation, but if that is the case, why has it not been looked into and ruled out by moderates, why do extreamists ban music and all other religious references where Islam wants to take over or establish it self, how many churchs are burned down, how many are converted to Islamic conquest victory?

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Qur'an 33:59 "Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all over their bodies (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better."
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I keep hearing people say that covering women in Veils is not in the Koran, but it is and again it is not made up or cultural it is actually in their book and some cover that fact up.

offf enough of those fools and theyr holy war why dont they go eat a fallafel ro something, i will enjoy watching all theyr countryes get burnod down for OIL,and all of them put in camps,when they learn about how jesus died for our sins...infidels!

All I like to point out that there is a hidden spiritual war out there, some creep in without notice, many people in the world are trapped in communism and Sharia Laws, they call us opressors the Oxymoron of the self centred mirror they make for them selves.

Jesus and the Holy Spirit taught us to be free from bondage and the old Laws, we have a new law now and that is the Cross, that changed everything, the Jews should be free but their sceptic ways keeps them until the second comming arrives. Their cusons the Arabs have adopted Islam, they ignored the Christ and his new covenant and brought back the slave to God's Law back which was done away with, their conquests has wiped away and waged war amoungst all religions and people throughout history, slowly it will mean us passive Europeans who forgot their faith will have to fight for it back before outsiders try and steal it away with your freedoms. If free world sits back passively, you know eventually you will need 4 witnesses to testify your freedoms and culture.

Sorry, what you call 'evil' is not always so. There's an ever going balancing act at all levels in the universe, and while you can fight it, you won't beat it. Just saying.

I think there is an evil going, one is for the destruction of souls and one is for saving it, if the cross and faith can movie evils in a certain direction like spirits and human nature then there is that battle going on.
I know of the non Godly view of the universe which is chaos and order but I feel there was always an order and chaos was applied by a disruption and us people have to work around it.

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I am going to rewrite a previous post because there were a lot of errors in it.

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I like to point out that there is a hidden spiritual war out there, some creep in without notice, many people in the world are trapped in communism and Sharia Laws, they call freedoms and human rights the opressors, this is an Oxymoron of the self centred mirror they make for them selves. Control is good but there is a balance, a prison is control and so is a cage but it is not a place of love and fun and freedom.

Jesus and the Holy Spirit taught us to be free from bondage and the old Laws, we have a new law now and that is the Cross, that changed everything, the Jews should be free but their sceptic ways keeps them until the second comming arrives and that should fulfill prophecy.

Their cusons the Arabs have adopted Islam, they ignored the Christ and his new covenant and brought back the slave age to Laws back which was done away with even the Old testament changed along the way, but this old law brought on new conflics to conquest and has wiped away and waged war amoungst all religions and people throughout history, it has slowly taken away freedoms and it will mean the passive Europeans who forgot their original faith will have to fight for it back. Outsiders who do not understand liberty try and steal it away and mould their own prison structures of society and we let it but yet people go on about the NWO. If the free world sits back passively, you know eventually you will need 4 witnesses to testify your freedoms and culture. The answer is in the 4 Gospels and no one uses them any more.

2 Corinthians 3

12 Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, 13 not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. 14 But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. 15 Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. 16 But when one [4] turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. 17 Now the Lord [5] is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, [6] are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.
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In this video if you cut the part of Muhammad being a pedophile argument you will find that the TV studio is saying it will not bring it's crosses down because the cross is being debated for being taken down from class rooms in Italy because a Muslim was offended by it.



Sounds like the spirit of the anti-christ is coming to power.




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It is a shame this thread has gone downstairs below top secret, never mind, I wish it gets a bit more attention here and there.
Also all my stars have gone aswell which is a pity.

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Anyway Iran want missiles and nuclear energy in this developed society with high morals and tolerance, but at least a few stand up for their faith.

www.wnd.com...

After millions of prayers and numerous petitions from around the world, two Iranian women jailed for no other reason than being Christian were released from a Tehran prison today.

Maryam Rustampoor, 27, and Marzieh Amirizadeh, 30, were imprisoned for 259 days – since March 5. They were repeatedly told to recant their faith and that they would be executed as "apostates," solely because they are Christians.

But now Open Doors USA has confirmed the women have been released from the notorious Evin prison with no bail, a rarity for Christians released from prison in Iran.

"I am glad to let you know that Maryam and Marzieh are now set free without bail and they are currently at home," an Open Doors field worker announced.


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According to Elam, a dramatic part of the hearing came when they refused to deny their Christian faith.

They explained that God had convicted them through the Holy Spirit.

"It is impossible for God to speak with humans," Haddad, a deputy prosecutor identified only by his surname, stated.

"Are you questioning whether God is Almighty?" Amirizadeh asked him.

To which Haddad then replied. "You are not worthy for God to speak to you."

"It is God, and not you, who determines if I am worthy," she said.

Haddad earlier had asked if the women were Christian.

"We love Jesus," they replied.

"You were Muslims and now you have become Christians," Haddad stated.

"We were born in Muslim families, but we were not Muslims," the women said.

The deputy prosecutor asked about their regrets, and they said, "We have no regrets."

"You should renounce your faith verbally and in written form," he warned.

They refused.

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Originally posted by The time lord
It is a shame this thread has gone downstairs below top secret, never mind, I wish it gets a bit more attention here and there.

Also all my stars have gone aswell which is a pity.

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Hi The time L/

You do quote some interesting facts about the ''Life Saving Cross of Christ'!
And try not to worry too much about the 'stars' !
"just because they're visible and shine above the rest,does not mean they are what they seem''!

The Cross of Christ reconciled us with our heavenly Father,
from Whom the devil separated us, by deceiving our forefathers.
The Cross of Christ opened the kingdom of heavens to us, which, up until the Crucifixion, Hades swallowed insatiably even the righteous.
That is why it has so much power and grace,
the power and grace of Christ,
which while He was crucified,
He transferred it in a mystical and incomprehensible way to His holy Cross as the hymnology wisely tells us.
"Your Cross, Christ, being visible wood in essence, yet it represents a divine reign and appearing perceptible to the world, noetically miraculously works our salvation...."
A. The honour given to the Cross is inseparably tied with our Crucified and Resurrected Lord, Jesus Christ...
B. The honour to the sign of the Cross existed always and from the beginning in the Church...
C. God reveals the power of the Holy Cross with supernatural events...
D. The sign of the Cross is miraculous ...
Read more on the Cross

Take care and ''put your Cross Up and Truly fight Evil''!

ICXC NIKA
helen

Thanks Helen,

Hard to have many supporters of the idea, they must be doing a good job in the English speaking world of trying to let us forget the cross and why it says so many things about why it came about.

If the NWO has anything to do with it then like the Romans and the high priests of them are here today once again as wolves in different sheep’s clothing, now they want to ban it or cover it up, because freedom of speech was put on the cross so that the next two thousand years the world would not be such an oppressed mind set. Those who ban the cross live in harsh environments with intolerant laws against diversity, this is evident worldwide.

Again it seems like they want to ban crosses again, I mean once you ban the Cross in the West and Europe who else is going to stick up for it? No one and that is the devilish conspiracy taking hold of the world once more.
I feel sorry for the future and the dark spiritual realms will come again, the dark ages will occur again and religion and faith will be denied and the enslavers and persecuters of your real freedoms let in. I feel sorry for those who prefer this and find it to their course a good thing, you are being lead to a trap and everyone is happy about it.




www.christiantoday.co.uk...

The Greek Orthodox Church has come out in opposition to a ban on crucifixes in classrooms in Italy.

It wants to see Christians across Europe unite in opposition to the ruling by the European Court of Human Rights last week which stated that the presence of crucifixes in the classroom violates religious and educational freedoms.

The head of the Greek Orthodox Church, Archbishop Ieronymos, echoed the outcry from the Catholic Church in Italy when he said that the EHCR had ignored the role of Christianity in Europe’s history and development, reports the BBC. He argued that majorities, not only minorities, had rights.

According to the BBC, the Orthodox Church is to hold an emergency Holy Synod to hash out a plan of action against the ban, which it fears could trigger similar rulings concerning the public display of Christian symbols in other European countries.

Human rights group Helsinki Monitor is already seeking the removal of icons of Jesus Christ from Greek courts and an end to swearing Christian oaths in the witness box. It also wants to see the removal of Christian symbols from Greek schools.

According to the ECHR, the display of crucifixes in Italian public schools is in violation of the European Convention on Human Rights, particularly in relation to the right to education and the freedom of thought, conscience and religion.

Philippians 3:18

For, as I have often told you before and now say again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ.
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There is an on going debate in Italy about people sticking to their beliefs and keeping the cross, if in Europe they start to ban it and sway the public to putting their crosses away then the rest of the Christain hating world has won. We don't have it, they already made sure to drive people out or in prison those who had it in their countries and intolerance and evil prevails.

Colossians 1:20 (New International Version)

20and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

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For many it means peace and the whole story of being let free from the bondage of the Law and using faith. By putting these ideas away those pharasees are coming back to you countries with their old age Laws and you are letting them out of spite of faith that got you the basic freedoms in the first place.

Jesus taunted to come down from cross - Matt. 29:40,42; Mk 15:30,32

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Now they are taunting your beliefs and culture by saying put your cross down.

Any excuse for some people, let them ban crosses across the world and the english speaking world too so no one has them that way everyone will be happy. That is what everone wants these days.


Christ on cross ‘could be porn under Indon law’

Published Date: March 29, 2010

Even the naked body of Christ may be considered as pornography after Indonesia’s Constitutional Court approved a new anti-porn law, Catholics fear.

The fears arose after the Constitutional Court declared the anti-pornography law (enacted by the Government in 2008) to be compatible with Indonesian public policy, Fides reports.

Fides sources say that in Indonesian civil society, among moderate Muslims, Christians, and Hindu groups, as well as associations dedicated to protecting freedom and human rights - especially in eastern Indonesia- have challenged the document.

“It is not that we are pro-pornography,” explained Catholic sources of Fides, “but because it is feared that this law - accepting a controversial generic definition of ‘pornography,’ which includes ‘any attitude and any artistic-cultural form of communication that excites a sexual instinct or is contrary to morality,’ lends itself easily to exploitation: the fundamentalist Muslim fringe can use it to penalize non-Muslims and, ultimately, seek to impose strictly traditional customs, even the Sharia.”

“Our angels are naked,” an Indonesian priest told Fides ironically. “Will they be outlawed? This law comes at a time when the country is also debating the blasphemy law, which carries similar risks.

Many Islamic leaders and intellectuals have called for a review of the measure on blasphemy, saying it is the wrong weapon to leave in the hands of radical Islamic groups.

In the case of the anti-pornography bill, however, threats and insults have hit Catholic Judge Maria Farida, one of the nine judges of the Constitutional Court (the only woman and the only Catholic of the Court) because she courageously voted against this bill. We wish to express our support and our prayers for her.”

Even when the text of the law was drafted two years ago, the Indonesian Bishops expressed strong doubts and misgivings, in part because the rules that regulate public morality and decency in Indonesia are already contained in other legislation.

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The devils greatest trick was convincing Man that he doesn't exist.

God will come like a theif and leave those behind who always hated him, good luck to them, even if we try they will persecute the faithful.

So what has induced this state of anxiety within you such that you feel compelled to force your religion in others faces? That is just so disrespectful and it exposes the contempt you have for your peers. If you have accepted religious myth as true, that is your business. The rest of us are under no obligation to accept it as well. Get over yourself.

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I have seen Pat Kendal enough on YouTube, he has some good arguments about the rising case of Islam in Europe.

Maybe just maybe those living outside religion cannot keep a society going with the basic freedoms we have, take Christianity out and we have a virus of hundreds of other philosophies and cults taking shape and no one has the answer to their problem.
Maybe Christianity has a spiritual power to it, it keeps us safer than human instincts of warring with each other. Democracy and Christianity is not that different, in fact without it Christianity Democracy crumbles and the next thing we have is another Roman Nazi empire on your door step. Maybe that is long term conspiracy tae Christianity out and let the gates of hell open while atheists and cult religions get their say and their joint venture to wipe-out anything that Christ did for us and taught us so when the time comes you can cull the believers away.

I don't think Christians have a good time in Pakistan, India, Nigeria, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Iran North Africa China or Russia, they drive them out and now you Atheists want to drive them out, if you like to join forces with these other persecutors of Christianity then please do, but in the mean time they are keeping the devil away from your front garden so you can have some basic freedoms and morals keeping society alive otherwise it just crumbles. The next step is to have everyone spy on each other, ID everyone, have no answers for youth crimes but impose greater surveillance all because man wants to be God rather than take a few moral codes of beliefs which could have prevented the breakdown of society.

You could argue what if they believe in father Xmas, well he cannot save you he does not have the historical backing or the spiritual power of the Bible, no doubt other religions will impose their God and may even have their own brand of power, but even the devil has powers and one has to draw a line between good and evil as a choice and as a warning throughout history in which God has guided man. Nations of Christians are more blessed than nations without and are a happier free people and more blessed through their works, they are persecuted too for this.

The Jews are the most blessed and inspired, they have been great media personalities scientists and inventors coming from such a small group of people who at the same time are the most hated in all history.


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Sorry to answer your response with another video but it pretty much says everything I would but with a touch of humor.




Apart from that, your post is extremely arrogant and self congratulatory among other things and is truly unworthy of any further response.


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I don't mind some of the negative responses but God does exist and without a sense of God in society we can go back reinventing him and start worshipping either objects like the TV or the playstation or something.

Eitherway you can not get rid of spiritualism and to take that away from people is just as bad one feels it is imposed by them.

All the Bible asks is to believe and be saved, no one is perfect but it is a lot more simple than being a Jew or a Muslim with its many rituals and oppressive laws. Because it is so simple to be saved through Christ it should not be a problem, the Biblical morals of the New Testament keep a moral standard but it does say spread the good news.

It stops society becoming a dicatorship, it stops communism and other related Old Testament laws which have been done away with it stops tribalism and Satanic worship in its many forms. It does not persecute non believers and kill thoughs who walk away from it.
I don't see the problem, everyone should know about the Bible and history or spiritulism and faith but to take it away then some will have to put the crosses back up in defence.