Originally posted by Sonya610
reply to post by usamaizm
Realize in all likelihood the actual RAPISTS are in fact Iraqi's. That means Muslim by birth.
Originally posted by miasria
Originally posted by Sonya610
reply to post by usamaizm
Realize in all likelihood the actual RAPISTS are in fact Iraqi's. That means Muslim by birth.
it is unlikely. there were videos and photos taken. the boy was 16 or so years old.
there was also a woman that was what appeared to be an act of rape. not sure if it was concentual. the records did not indicate.
Originally posted by zerbot565
Originally posted by Sonya610....But then again those that were sentenced were taking PICTURES of themselves doing it. Perhaps the higher ups were a little less stupid than to document their crimes and film and leave it around as a "cool souvenier".
"The torture and ill treatment of prisoners which is carried out with the authority of some Government constitutes not only a crime against humanity, but also a crime against moral law"
UN Human Rights Council
"Two years ago, former Bush Administration Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld hurriedly fled France, fearing he would be arrested by French authorities for "ordering and authorizing" the torture of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and the U.S. facilities at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba."
Spain considers prosecuting U.S. officials for torture
How and why a Spanish judge might put Bush administration lawyers on trial for actions at Guantanamo Bay.
The Spanish case targets the government lawyers -- including former Atty. Gen. Alberto R. Gonzales -- whose legal opinions laid the groundwork for so-called harsh interrogations. Why the lawyers?
When the administration decided to move to aggressive techniques, it seems they turned to lawyers who could be relied upon to sign on. They systematically excluded from the process those lawyers who would have given contrary advice. But for the lawyers, these abuses, this torture, would not have happened. So the administration got bad advice from lawyers; they didn't have to take it. Why does that make the lawyers guilty?
The lawyers appear to have been part of a plan to subvert the law. First the administration fixed on a policy of cruelty, then they found the lawyers to sign off on it. On my reading, the lawyers acted not in the service of providing fearless, independent legal advice, but provided support to a predetermined policy of abuse. In that way, they became complicit in a policy of torture. Is there legal precedent in going after the lawyers?
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Originally posted by muffingirl
reply to post by Chevalerous
I have kind of a dumb question for you-what is that thing supposed to be in your picture? It looks like a monstrous kid and a rabbit with gas masks on. Is that what it is?
NEW YORK - The U.S. government can keep pictures of detainee abuse secret while it asks the Supreme Court to permanently block release of the photographs on the grounds they could incite violence in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan, a federal appeals court said Thursday.
The one-paragraph ruling by the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan came after the Obama administration asked the court to keep the pictures secret so it could appeal to the nation's highest court.
The administration last month said the disturbing photographs pose "a clear and grave risk of inciting violence and riots against American and coalition forces, as well as civilian personnel, serving in Iraq and Afghanistan."
and we know that most of the Americans
certainly, are very nice and great people & friends. 
shaking their heads while saying; that poor
soul is apparently just beyond any help - from the indoctrination scheme they put him/her through! 
