Police Encourage Citizens To Report People Who Drive Nice Cars

reply to post by DGFenrir


But the fact is, you shouldn't have to prove your innocence based upon another's interpretation of how wealthy you are.

If the Police want to prosecute people then the onus is upon them to carry out the investigation and supply the evidence not ask the public to shop people who they suspect cant afford a given type of car.

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Originally posted by neformore
Hmm.

Some of you have missed the point.

Its aimed at drug dealers and people who make a profit from crime.

Or maybe it's the people that think this a good idea that have missed the point. This is one of those "slippery slope" issues. You need to carry it on to its logical conclusion. So, maybe it starts out being used against people with ill-gotten riches, but the law isn't specific. There's nothing to stop TPTB from deciding to later turn their attention on you.

Something like this already happening where I live. With budget shortfalls, the police have stepped up enforcement of traffic laws to bring in more money. But they're not after the gangs, etc. No, they are concentrating on people who's car makes it look like they're more likely to be able to pay. Go through a yellow light like you have a thousand times in the past, but now your're pulled over by an officer that says it was red. It's your word against theirs, so you just get out your checkbook ...

reply to post by centurion1211


Fantastic post, well said. Unfortunately the slope is becoming so slippery the majority have already lost their footing.

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by neformore
Hmm.

Some of you have missed the point.

Its aimed at drug dealers and people who make a profit from crime.

OK so that's basically ALL the Politicians and Pharmaceutical company directors then.
I'd love to be on that Jury service onthose days.... HANG 'EM HIGH...

This happens at my work. The FBI comes in every once and a while and asks to see our guest list. They are looking for people from out of state that pay cash to rent a room.

What they then do is either rent the room next to theirs, or have a patrol car wait for the suspect vehicle to leave the next morning. They find a reason to pull over the suspect vehicle and then find a reason to search the vehicle.

They also encourage us to call them directly if a person from out of state comes in paying cash.

The payoff is, if they do find someone that is smuggling drugs, the person tipping of the FBI receives a portion of the fair market value of what they confiscate in cash.

Originally posted by whatukno
The payoff is, if they do find someone that is smuggling drugs, the person tipping of the FBI receives a portion of the fair market value of what they confiscate in cash.

Wow. That's actually pretty scary, that they are offering up cuts of the confiscation. It's really just a legal jacking, the only reason they want to bust drug dealers is to take and sell all their stuff, it has nothing to do with concerns for safety. If the drug dealers just do what they're supposed to and offer them a cut up front, they wouldn't have that problem, lol...

I see it as a way of getting around the banning of the 'suss' law.
The coppers don't get in trouble for picking someone out on suspicion, Joe Public does.

Also, and I'm just throwing this out there...thinking out loud...

Recession (see numerous other threads for how that happened!!!)
- Auto manufacturers failing due to low sales due to recession
- Offering extremely low deals to get rid of excess inventory
- Joe Public thinks, "Cor, I could afford a XXX GT in that deal!"
- Joe Public gets deal of the century XXX GT
- Curtains twitch in his neighbourhood
- Joe Public gets visit from police with all sorts of warrants
- Joe Public's house/vehicle searched
- Police have 'due cause' based on nosy neighbour's feelings ("I always thought he looked shifty")
- Police don't have to apologize, as it was someone else who suspected poor Joe

This is what you get when you mess with us...(Radiohead)

What happened to good ol' detective work. Good ol' fashioned policing?

Discord, paranoia, fear, distrust abounds.
But HM Gov't will see you through these terrible times.

Oooh, What do I do when I see "Yellow Alert"? I always forget...
Shopping?

Not too suprising, when I was in college, we had a set of guest speakers from the IRS. They told us how when they are slow they just drive around and look of license plates of "fancy" cars to see if the owner could afford it compared to what they claimed they make on their taxes. If it looked suspicious they would begin an investigation into the owner of the car. I couldn't believe it, at the time.

Originally posted by 44soulslayer
Nef what happened to you mate, I thought you were a leftie!

Aren't you affronted by the idea that the police are encouraging citizens to grass on people based on nothing but outward looks?

Did I say I supported it? Nope.

Ten quid says every black man driving a BMW or Merc gets reported to the police...

Even educated people cannot make accurate judgements based on appearances alone. What makes you think that a layman could?

I think you're right about the first point, and I think you are somewhat right about the second.

BUT...

What I see here is people just looking to roll out the "UK Police State/Facist scumbags" card, without addressing the issue of why this idea has come forward, or what a better way of sorting it out may be. Its not being looked at from a societal standpoint of what bought it about, its just being used as a criticism tool.

No, I'm not a "lefty", I'm all about balance, and there are two sides to every story.

There are people who just want to stick it to the police just because they can. That to me is a no no.

Tell you what, if people in the UK want to scupper this little project quickly it's very nature lends it's self to a barrage of creative crank calls / emails...

Little Dorris with her blue rinse is wearing 2k's worth of gold chain and all that stuff.

Just throwing the idea out there, it is after all illegal to waste police time - buy my wouldn't that just be fun?

Originally posted by DataWraith
All this exercise is for is to catch those that make a bit extra so that the taxman and Governments can get a little bite of it.

You talking about legally acquired "a bit extra"?
Please tell me how the taxman's gonna take a little bite of that??

Originally posted by centurion1211
Go through a yellow light like you have a thousand times in the past, but now your're pulled over by an officer that says it was red.

Where I live it's not okay do drive through a yellow light. Yellow means caution..
How do you people know waht the cops are after? Wiretapping?

If you're so paranoid then why not buy a camera into your car? Here we help police catch traffic hooligans with our cameras and of course avoid those "their word against mine" kind of situations..

Why are you people so afraid of this? An innocent, law abiding citizen has nothing to be afraid of.

reply to post by Now_Then


Now then Now_Then (I feel a bit like Jimmy Saville!), whilst I think this little incentive by her majesty's police force is appalling, wasting police time is no way to go either.

You'll want the boys in blue there quick time if it was your family in need of assistance in some way wouldn't you?????

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Double Post - Sorry.

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Originally posted by 0010110011101
reply to post by Now_Then

 

Now then Now_Then (I feel a bit like Jimmy Saville!), whilst I think this little incentive by her majesty's police force is appalling, wasting police time is no way to go either.

You'll want the boys in blue there quick time if it was your family in need of assistance in some way wouldn't you?????

So if he makes that false report then the boys in blue will first have to finish investigating that and then address real emergencies?

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Originally posted by Albertarocks
Isn't that aggravating? The architecture of all this insanity is an exact photocopy of the plan that enacted in Hitler's Germany. Hitler had a youth movement called Brown Shirts and now Obama is calling for something similar. Hitler encouraged suspicion for, and squealing on neighbors for the slightest infraction or for any sign of wealth or anti-government thought or speech. This is clearly a blueprint that worked so well in the past, that they're just using it again... in every way. It's insane! And what's worse is that since we know what the blueprint is, we know what's coming... and it ain't pretty. It's time folks. Enough is enough!

To all my neighbors... you can drive the nicest car you want and I'm sure as hell not goin' to the cops out of jealousy. I'm not jealous... I'm your admiring and trustworthy friend.

You've hit the nail on the head exactly. I've posted over and over about the Nazis at the top and the SS, and had people pretend to be confused and ask who they were. Its very obvious who they are and why Germany folded WWII, because they'd cut a deal with the US, backed by the UK to do through these countries, backed by the Rothchild's, Rockefellers and bloodlines. Bush posed in so many pictures identical to Hitlers poses. We must stop this now!!!!

I think phoning in and reporting all the big wigs and politicians driving around in their fancy vehicles and living beyond what should be their means is the best way to initially combat this. As well, to tell the police you intend to perform a citizens arrest for stealing tax dollars and the treason of instituting a facist, nazi style state!!!! Speak up.



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reply to post by DGFenrir


You're either missing the point or being deliberately obtuse. Wasting police time regardless of which cpapcity it may be in is dangerous.

Regardless of if it is an emergency or not, you are diverting resources away from where they may actually be needed.

Capiche?

I don't drive, but I do have a gorgeous pair of legs.
Oh well, I suppose I'll just have to keep wearing trousers when I go out (With the obligatory holes in of course).
I just hope they don't spot the shiny chewing gum wrapper stuck to my trainers.
It's a bit odd that they're asking civilians to grass each other up, seeing as there's a copper around every corner trying to trap every motorist going a millimetre an hour over the speed limit.
Perhaps they're just trying to find out who would be the best candidates for recruitment into the latest incarnation of the civilian voluntary sneak, peek and grass brigade for future reference.
I suppose you could all start painting 'rust' on your cars to dumb them down a bit.

Originally posted by 0010110011101
reply to post by DGFenrir

 

You're either missing the point or being deliberately obtuse. Wasting police time regardless of which cpapcity it may be in is dangerous.

Regardless of if it is an emergency or not, you are diverting resources away from where they may actually be needed.

Capiche?

The bling are reported on a separate phone number. Not the national emergency numbers.
Police are not unorganised. I'm pretty much sure that they have specialised people working on those reports.
e.g. a cop who comes to your rescue when you call them doesn't do that job.
All that those false reports do is slow down the work of those who investigate these reports.

Wow that's just a bit desperate if you ask me.

"Oh it's OK if you went to school for 20 years to be a full fledged neurosurgeon and spent around a million on your degree. Your just not allowed to spend it."

"Keep it in the bank you know the economies bad right now and you might need that extra money for food before too long. We're just watching out for you best interest."

2 months later

"Oh I'm sorry sir it seems the bank went bankrupt."

reply to post by DGFenrir


Wrong. Let me paint you a little picture:

You phone the police with a false report. They decide there is some merit in it. They investigate either by setting up some sort of surveillance or by going to the property and arrest/search/both the "target".

They then find out it was a false claim and there is nothing to investigate. You are still diverting resources away from where they can be better used - catching real criminals.

Which ever way you dress it up it is still wasting precious resources.

According to your line of argument you presumably think that phoning the fire department or an ambulance for a hoax is also fair game and legitimate?