Fox News caught repeatedly cropping, manipulating video

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Riiight...we can see that the only ones trying to make a mountain out of a speck of sand are people like you.

We get it, you would love for Castro's News Network, and it's associates to be the only news sources with a Socialist or even Communist bias that people can listen, or read from...

We got it...

[edit on 6-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

First define "people like me"because I have no idea what you mean...

secondly, how does me disliking a so called news source intentionally falsifying the information it disseminates make me a lover of 'castro'?

are you trying to say that only 'communists' like the truth?

So what? Every single news station is a train of propaganda. There is not a single mainstream media outlet that hasn't cropped videos to portray 'their' side of the story.

Get your news full and uncut on the internet. That way you can make up your own mind instead of being told what to think.

i dont see how the editing really changed the dodge. gore was stroking himself as he always does. he was lying and no matter how you"slice it" he's a bs'er.
like everyone has said,i'd rather get the news than watch the ones that dont report. isnt that a form of clipping? leaving out important segments of news?
i'm sorry but if you think fox is the worst,i dont know how you get thru an olberman show. msnbc is unwatchable.
msnbc requirements:
1 swear nobama is the savior of the world
2 bash bush for everything
3 close your mind and hold your nose.

now you need to post the relationship between general electric and nbc. thats an interesting read.

and for the modt important realization!!!! research everything you hear and see on any network.
headlines are all you should pay attention to. the story just helps you get the opinion of the writer or news source. read more form your own opinion,but to do that you have to at least see the news.

before i go kiddies, here's a little food for thought. it's a great read. but you have to finish the whole thing...ok?obamas dirty trick

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Being Russian and having lived through Communism, the break up and the following mess that occured, I can tell that you have no idea what communism is.
You can't blame communism for the mass murders. It is an ideal and it never condones such acts of violence. It's like saying capitalism is bad because of Hitler.

And why even go there, the topic is about Fox manipulating videos, just keep the argument polite and constructive, no need for obnoxious name calling.

Originally posted by Animal

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Riiight...we can see that the only ones trying to make a mountain out of a speck of sand are people like you.

We get it, you would love for Castro's News Network, and it's associates to be the only news sources with a Socialist or even Communist bias that people can listen, or read from...

We got it...

[edit on 6-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

People like you

thats the best isn't it...

FOX is so full of crap and has been publically outed as a GOP propogana source
for a while now.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Undefeated - FOX = sheep food

bah
bah bah bah

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woo pa cha.....
that guy took this subject way off track from the moment he stepped in.
he needs to just take the article for what its worth and comment.

'universe' thinks he is going to change people.

OK - Hold on to something - I'm going to RANT...

Goose Stepping Anti-Fox Fascists - One more time...

I can't help but feel that an overt bias against a particular source of news is an effort to get people not to look at it. It's like the good old boy lawyer who says "Don't go paying no attention to any of that there evidence that boy is trying to show you, he's just the town idiot." Well, I don't think I'm alone in thinking that the evidence or news that the powers that be do not want me to look at are exactly the sources which need to be considered. Goose stepping to the party line has never been for me.

Everything is available for anyone who chooses to look. For those who without medication are pathologically averse to anything reported by Fox News, you can generally get the same information from the Congressional Record or a multitude of other sources. The only problem is that it will generally not be fed to you on a spoon with your morning cup of talking points from the mainstream media.

It does seem very odd that if something is reported by Fox News there seems to be some segment of the population who immediately will put their hands over their ears, close their eyes, and start going LA LA LA LA LA - I can't hear you - LA LA LA LA LA... It's actually very bazaar behavior from people who otherwise would claim to want as much information as possible in order to draw some conclusion to what the truth may be.

Just in case you didn't figure it out yet... The bought and paid for corporate mainstream media are nothing more than a lobbying group for the New World Order. The only difference is that the mainstream media lobbies the public while other lobbyists lobby Congress - and any alternative media that does not subscribe to the Fascist talking points, or person who dares to present other information or a different opinion, will be attacked.

The funny thing is that the majority of people who do most of the attacking invariably fancy themselves as "Free Thinkers" when in fact they take their marching orders from the media elite as if they were uneducated hypnotized zombies.

I'm sorry if it comes as a shock to some of you, it should come more as an embarrassment, like waking up in a field with none of your clothes. But goose stepping in line with the mainstream media and parroting the talking points of the party in power hardly makes you any type of a rebel. If you were a German in 1939 you would be wearing a brown shirt and saluting the Fuhrer. You are completely owned, operated, and spoon fed your beliefs, all while being told you are a free thinker.

The truth really is that "Politically Incorrect" is the most politically correct show on television and the ultimate irony for the little prince's and princess's
who wake up one day to find they have no clothes, just like the king, is that the network they have been bashing so long, Fox News, is the actual politically incorrect source... Pssss - Here's a secret way to figure this out... If the President, both houses of Congress, and 98% of all media say one thing, and Fox News points out something different that the others don't want you to know about, but nevertheless proves to be true, guess who the alternative media is.

Believe it or not Fox News is the actual counterpoint and you're nothing but a goose stepping clone spitting the party line. Coasting through life with blinders on thinking that you can see, waiting for your feed bag every morning from the mainstream powers that be, and if you're a good little clone regurgitating what you've been told by MSNBC maybe a pat on the head from the master - or to quote a line from the movie "Babe"... That'll do Pig, That'll do.

Originally posted by SaraThustra
The funny thing is that the majority of people who do most of the attacking invariably fancy themselves as "Free Thinkers" when in fact they take their marching orders from the media elite as if they were uneducated hypnotized zombies.

Interesting take, seeing as how this thread is ATTACKING the media elite. Man your take on reality is psychedelic! Cool!

I'm sorry if it comes as a shock to some of you, it should come more as an embarrassment, like waking up in a field with none of your clothes. But goose stepping in line with the mainstream media and parroting the talking points of the party in power hardly makes you any type of a rebel. If you were a German in 1939 you would be wearing a brown shirt and saluting the Fuhrer. You are completely owned, operated, and spoon fed your beliefs, all while being told you are a free thinker.

Wow, I had no idea Media Matters was part of the mainstream media! I always thought they were critiquing the mainstream to show its corrupt bias, how silly of me.

Pssss - Here's a secret way to figure this out... If the President, both houses of Congress, and 98% of all media say one thing, and Fox News points out something different that the others don't want you to know about, but nevertheless proves to be true, guess who the alternative media is.

Psst, here is a secret for you. This thread is about Fox News intentionally editing peoples statements to say something OTHER than what they actually said, so in other words it turned out to NOT be true. So does that mean Fox is once again part of the mainstream media? Oh man I am so confused.

Believe it or not Fox News is the actual counterpoint and you're nothing but a goose stepping clone spitting the party line. Coasting through life with blinders on thinking that you can see, waiting for your feed bag every morning from the mainstream powers that be, and if you're a good little clone regurgitating what you've been told by MSNBC maybe a pat on the head from the master - or to quote a line from the movie "Babe"... That'll do Pig, That'll do.

I would recommend checking in with reality. The way you have completely missed the facts presented by this thread and done a 180 dash in the opposite direct has me worried you a re a bit out of touch.

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Believe it or not Fox News is the actual counterpoint and you're nothing but a goose stepping clone spitting the party line. Coasting through life with blinders on thinking that you can see, waiting for your feed bag every morning from the mainstream powers that be, and if you're a good little clone regurgitating what you've been told by MSNBC maybe a pat on the head from the master - or to quote a line from the movie "Babe"... That'll do Pig, That'll do.

Let's rephrase your comment above:

Believe it or not MSNBC is the actual counterpoint and you're nothing but a goose stepping clone spitting the party line. Coasting through life with blinders on thinking that you can see, waiting for your feed bag every morning from the mainstream powers that be, and if you're a good little clone regurgitating what you've been told by FOX NEWS maybe a pat on the head from the master - or to quote a line from the movie "Babe"... That'll do Pig, That'll do.

Yep. Fox News and MSNBC are totally interchangeable. Amazing (but no surprise!)

Now I don't watch MSNBC for the same reasons I don't watch FOX. I know these two networks are vicious partisan lying PR machines that would make Himmler blush. Do you TRUST Murdoch? Do you trust him to give you the real news and not to skew it with his maniacal right-wing NWO rhetoric?

reply to post by spearhead


Yeah, FOX news, CNN, MSNBC and every other media outlet are all guilty of this. The only difference is, some have a Right spin and some have a Left spin.

I'm still waiting to hear what size 6 shoes have to do with the news...


I digress. This may be a good question to throw out there. What news organization (be it print, radio, television etc) do you think is the most like a real news organization should be?

Unbiased and truthful?

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Star!


That is so true.
Let's see somebody, ANYBODY name one News Source that is completely unbiased.
I'll guarantee you that there is at least one person someplace in the world who will disagree.

I honestly don't see anything vital for context omitted.

Originally posted by vkey08
This may be a good question to throw out there. What news organization (be it print, radio, television etc) do you think is the most like a real news organization should be?
Unbiased and truthful?

OK. I'll bite. I suppose there are no wrong answers since you are asking for opinion.

IMO, a local TV station. The smaller, the better and ideally independent. Not a network O & O. (Owned and operated.)

National coverage aside, they provide news we can use. Local weather (meteorologists, funny name for weathermen.) Traffic reports, road closures. Sports scores / highlights. Accurate weather is vital for air travel, farmers etc.

I live in Florida and we are prone to hurricanes. Having a local station with a good radar system is vital. Especially for hurricane shelters and evacuation routes. Not to mention some of the local reporters are "hungry" and trying to make a name for themselves. They dig deeper. Less apt to be mired or dulled by the corporate news big wigs.

Does that suffice? If not, film at 11.

Regards...KK

[edit on 7-5-2009 by kinda kurious]

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Is it irony that the topic is about cropping and then there's a snippet ?

This video is suspicious. It's easier to to cut out footage than to pick footage off from the cutting-room floor.

Sorry

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
This video is suspicious. It's easier to to cut out footage than to pick footage off from the cutting-room floor. Sorry

Sorry, not sure if I totally grasp your comment.

Firstly, the term "cutting room floor" is a reference to film technology whereby film clips edited on a "flatbed" were extracted (physically cut out) of a roll of film. Those ends were then spliced back together to rejoin the film roll. The spliced-out sections (clips) were then placed in bins for optional reinsertion. The omitted clips that were never used were figuratively said to be "left on cutting room floor."

In today's non-linear editing world, footage is ingested into a computer and viewed on a timeline. If no action is taken, the footage remains intact. It requires work to delete unwanted sections. (Contrary to your assertion.)

I have a trained eye and extensive experience within this realm and more than happy to share any further knowledge. I will spare you my modest credentials.

As an editor myself, in both film and video, there used to exist a creed among editors (cutters) not to misrepresent the integrity of an interview by juxtaposing clips to mislead the viewer as to context. It was loosely defined by the FCC (Federal Communications Commission) and NAB (National Association of Broadcasters.) and self enforced.

As of late, those self imposed standards have given way to anything goes. MTV style fast cuts, continuity and integrity out the window. Usually the more shock value the better. An example of this taken to extremes can be seen in The Colbert Report. Where they take real interviews and insert staged mock questions and add over the top cutaways / reaction shots. Purely tongue-in-cheek.

An old adage still rings true. Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see.

Hope that helps.

Regards...KK

To add: "Cropping" is an incorrect term. That generally refers to "reframing" a select portion of a picture or scene. Editing is the correct terminology to describe alteration of these clips.


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Originally posted by kinda kurious
Sorry, not sure if I totally grasp your comment.

Firstly, the term "cutting room floor" is a reference to film technology whereby film clips edited on a "flatbed" were extracted (physically cut out) of a roll of film. Those ends were then spliced back together to rejoin the film roll. The spliced-out sections (clips) were then placed in bins for optional reinsertion. The omitted clips that were never used were figuratively said to be "left on cutting room floor."

Yeah, I'm not sure what was meant by that, either, but I'm not so sure if they meant that in a literal way. Something about the wording made me think sarcasm was present. I dunno.

As of late, those self imposed standards have given way to anything goes. MTV style fast cuts, continuity and integrity out the window. Usually the more shock value the better. An example of this taken to extremes can be seen in The Colbert Report. Where they take real interviews and insert staged mock questions and add over the top cutaways / reaction shots. Purely tongue-in-cheek.

I think you got this, but I just want to make sure: The Colbert Report and Daily Show are both heavily satirical, so yes, their jobs both rely on the ability to create sound bytes and clever edits. I do agree that there are some instances in the Daily Show that are just completely over the top, though. Sometimes it's like Jon Stewart buys what he's shoveling (in reference to the edits, not his political agenda).

To add: "Cropping" is an incorrect term. That generally refers to "reframing" a select portion of a picture or scene. Editing is the correct terminology to describe alteration of these clips.

I would actually refer to it as splicing, myself, but I didn't want to nitpick the language/diction used in the thread. You're quite brave, I see.

the government has owned the media for as long as media existed. I agree with other posters that this is nothing new. the only thing that will be new is when people stand up and do something about it.

Originally posted by Highground

Originally posted by kinda kurious"Cropping" is an incorrect term. That generally refers to "reframing" a select portion of a picture or scene. Editing is the correct terminology to describe alteration of these clips.

I would actually refer to it as splicing, myself, but I didn't want to nitpick the language/diction used in the thread. You're quite brave, I see.

Howdy, thanks for getting my points. I see you too are well versed in this topic.

While we are picking nits, I would suggest that although "splice" is an acceptable term,
it typically refers to film editing which is rarely, if ever, still employed. Definitely NOT within TV network news organizations anymore. So "editing" would serve to be all encompassing and more indicative of current methods. Your points are well made.

Not sure about the "brave" comment unless you are referring to those pesky little red flags. Got busted by the Polite Police in a speed trap.

Kind Regards...KK

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