Originally posted by dragonridr
reply to post by jfj123
Having been to Afghanistan your approach to capture osama would be a joke.There are thousands of caves in the area cant bomb them all.The only way we
ever found any locations in those mountains was thou intel. And guess were that intel came from only 2 sources snitches and interrogations of captured
insurgents, And i dont think they said please tell us were you guys are hiding. Look ill give you this brand new 360 still in the box. You people are
a joke you want your families to be safe from radicals willing to kill you without losing any sleep. But when push comes to shove youll lay down and
And yet we don't have Osama. Which wouldn't justify stooping lower than him. GETTING a criminal, like Osama, who MIGHT have killed more people than
a Pharmaceutical company that covers up its bad drugs (about 30,000 Americans die from this a year), isn't as important as doing the right thing.
We justified every criticism Osama and his ilk had towards the US. Why should anyone care that Osama attacked the USA -- why couldn't he just say it
was retaliation for what we have done around the world, or that it was pre-emptive? I mean, the rest of the world kind of lost any appreciation for
those poor souls on 9/11.
"And guess were that intel came from only 2 sources snitches and interrogations of captured insurgents"
>> The intel that didn't work.
You know what would have worked? Not hiring mercenaries and telling our special forces to stand down when we had Osama cornered. The Afghannis that
has him surrounded, were bribed and he walked into Pakistan.
How many people have to get tortured because Bush put some idiots in command? The Deicder really made a bone-headed decision that day, should that
require 1 or 2,000 tortures to set things right? If, as I believe, OBL was already assasinated in December of 2001 -- why are we still on this
journey? The amazingly improbably series of events that allowed 19 Arabs with box cutters to penetrate our airspace and take down steel buildings in
pancake collapse would require;
1) Norad to stand down, or get really f-ing confused with 5 drills conscerning terrorists flying airplanes.
2) The CIA to issue more passports to known terrorists like they did at the Embassy in Saudi Arabia where most of the bad guys came from.
3) Steel sky-scrapers that somehow withstood a fire (two weeks before the North Tower was open to the public) and a huge detonation in the parking
garage that destroyed 3 floors, that are strangely susceptible to fire due to shoddy construction.
4) Another President, and Security personnel to ignore 72 warnings.
5) Not having any fighter jets available to track down planes. Apparently, nobody thought that Russia might send bombers one day either.
You know, I could go on. There was a lot of incredible things that failed. Osama must have had some higher power on his side to have accomplished so
much with Box Cutters.
Having dealt with these terrorists watching them do things such as send a car bomb in the middle of a mosque just to show the afgans the price for
removing the taliban. Went into a village not to far from Kandahar alqueda came thou about a month after we helped them dig a well. We handed out
dolls and candy to the kids blankets to the adults. When al Queda visited any body who had anything from the soldiers was killed. Ever seen a 5 year
old girl shot throu the head because she had a teddy bear?
Oooh, There are bad guys. When we founded this nation, when we dealt with Nazis in WW II, when we had the cold war -- apparently these were all
school kids. Bush and his daddy before him, have sanctioned the slaughters of innocents. The CIA had an entire floor in Chile dedicated to helping
them wipe out dissenters in gruesome ways. Sure, Al Qaeda bad. But I think you mean the Taliban. No matter, as soon as we leave, the country will
revert to all those bad ways of life. Your point about us getting tough, is supposed to impress a guy who just shot a little girl? What would be left
of our soldiers if they had to be "tougher than that?" How far should we go? The only way we can win is to be better than the bad guys.
The other problem is that we didn't have enough troops in Afghanistan -- we needed ALL of them that got sent to Iraq, so that when we leave off our
Teddy Bears, someone is in the streets to look out for that little girl. 1 in 25 people needs to be an occupying force -- less than that, and when you
leave to go to the fortress, the bad guys come back and retake the streets and punish anyone who cooperated with you. THEY are always there and THEY
are going to go lower than you ever want to go.
The only alternative to a large presence, complete control, and building up as much infrastructure as possible is to just carpet bomb the place and
put up a parking lot. Who do you liberate then?
These people only have one belief and that is convert the world to the Muslim religion and are willing to go as far as they have to in order to
further there goals. I was idealistic once but after seeing what were up against im concerned. As far as torture there version of torture was just in
humane one tribal leader had his eyes burned out with a hot poker for accepting US govt money. All i have to say is we need this country to toughen up
or god help us all.
Whatever. Every damn war America has been in -- we hear about how horrible the other side is. If it's not Muslims, its the Russians, if it's not the
Russians, its that BS that the Kuwaiti ambassador's daughter said about Saddam's troops. The Muslims are many and have some primitive throw-backs to
a tribal era. Shoot one, and you have 50 cousins who need to shoot 3 of your people. The solution the Bushies and NeoCons have given us, is to be
ChristoFascists. How do the Christo-fascists get converts and power? By scaring everyone about Muslims. How do Muslims get converts and power? By
showing pictures from abuse at Abu Ghraib.
These nuts don't get much traction where there is prosperity and a lack of fear.
We don't need this "toughness" that turns us into thugs and criminals in the world.