reply to post by Blanca Rose
My thoughts on the Liver and depression
I am not a qualified doctor but I have beaten bad depression nutritionally so I believe I have something to share. I am going to write a big post at
some point but it might be good to share things piecemeal as well. According to chinese medicine a bad liver is one of the causes of depression. It
can be either blocked qi or excess liver fire, which is what I suffer from. Be aware that while the diagnosis may sound strange to us, a western
doctor may say "fatty liver", cirrohsis or something like that.
I have suffered from anger and irritability on and off throughout my life. I realised a long time ago that while people can be eejits sometimes the
problem was in myself. I read a little bit about the liver and depression, but didn't pay much mind. Personally, when I am not on a decent
nutritional regime, I suffer from irritability, nervousness, jumpiness and occasionally borderline panic attacks. I can normally keep this stuff under
control but if I eat bad for a few days I can quickly go downhill. At some point we are going to have to face up to the fact that our generation is
under complete, sustained chemical assault and our bodies are literally overwhelmed.
How I cured myself
I have cured heart twinges and breathlessness with Linus Paulings protocol. I cured bad digestive problems with psyllium husk, herbal teas and a raw
diet. The liver remains the final thing I have to cure. I have suffered relapses recently through not having the right products, but anyway, here
goes: I have had great success with a product called xiao yao wan, an ancient chinese formula which translates as "Long Rambling powder", "Free and
Easy pills" or even "The Free and Happy Wanderer"... I kid you not. I remember reading about it online when I was depressed a couple of years ago.
I thought, I'd like to be a free and happy wanderer.
(Back soon)/ Back- just eaten organic carrot+flaxseed+Wanderer pills. Awesome. You don't know what you're missing people.
So anyway. May 2007 I found out about these pills. Did a bit of research online and realised that I had a lot of the symptoms. You're not supposed to
diagnose yourself in TCM but I was too broke for a consultation, plus I'm a bit of an experiementer so I thought I'd give it a whirl.
The liver is supposed to provide sustained, smooth energy. If it becomes imbalanced the energy can become sporadic and agitated. Then, from a
traditional chinese medicine perspective (TCM) the liver invades the bowel and/or brain. The result can be digestive disorders and agitated thoughts.
So I went up to Chinatown in London with my beautiful Korean girlfriend and went looking for these pills. A couple of shops didn't understand my
pronunciation of Xiao Yao Wan, but eventually I got hold of some...
So I took them there and then. I remember I had a a couple of ciders and that puts anyone in a good mood, but honestly, through the alcohol I really
felt something, like a calm descending over me, a fire had been put out. I still remember that event very clearly. I remember telling my girlfriend
how I felt really happy and just wanted to help everyone out. She just nodded, lol.
Anyway, the feeling persisted all night. Sure, you could argue that it was placebo, alcohol, love or whatever but I have spent hundreds if not
thousands on ineffective supplements so I know if something's good or not.
I felt great- but the next morning I felt toxic, like I'd been poisoned, I think a lot of modern chinese meds are really badly made. Next day I woke
up feeling half good half bad, sort of happy and poisoned. I wondered if I was being paranoid about the pills so I took some more and felt the same
thing- great for a few hours, then that cold, poisoned feeling, so I stopped taking that batch.
Modern Chinese Medicine
Chinese medicine as a healing art and modern chinese herbal production methods are two completely different things. The formulas that have been
carefully prepared by great chinese medical thinkers are often made by dishonest, uncaring comapnies that just want to make a a quick yuan. Who knows
what corners they cut. People say that the FDA releases stories about toxic chinese meds to smear them- but in this case, it really is true- it's a
minefield out there. I suggest you research well before trying anything. I'm wary about posting any brand names cos people will think I'm marketing,
but screw it- check my posting record if you want to know about me- I'm often on the medical threads. Most of the best acupuncturists in London use a
company called Mayway, they also operate in the U.S.... I think you have to get a TCM prescription filled if you want to order from them, they don't
sell direct to the public. They sell formulas as well, I can't vouch for them but I suspect they're high quality. I get sick whenever I take TCM tea
pills, but powders and honey pills are fine. A company called "Bird and Tang" also make pretty good teas.
Further Experiences with Chinese Medicine for the Liver
So I ditched that first batch of pills, and went up to Chinatown with my girlfriend a few days later, it was early June now. I went to what was
supposed to be the best TCM shop in London. I ended up buying "jia wei xiao yao wan" Easy Wanderer plus or maybe uhhh, The Really Free and Super
Happy Wanderer, or Ultra-Far Rambling Powder. lol, the Chinese make me laugh, but when the names of most of our medicines sound like they came
straight from the Necronomicon, who are we to judge?
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So, I took that medicine faithfully all summer 07, along with a lot of other medicines. It was the summer I went raw. I was eating a lot of superfoods
like Maca, medicinal Hemp, Goji berries and all sorts of other wonderful things. I lost a lot of weight, started to feel awesome, and women about ten
years younger than me started to queue up. Rawsome. I felt absolutely amazing
. I'd gone from near suicidal depression to seething with life,
joy and energy. I was losing weight despite the fact I was going out and drinking most nights, and binging on pizza, but I started to lose interest in
beer because I began to realise I didn't need it any more.
Calming the liver is not the sole cure for depression, but it is one of the keys to nutritional healing.
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