reply to post by dmorgan
Many people don't ever "get better" from this. They feel better, but it can come back at the drop of a hat. It's cutting for me. I know that
years from now, I can still easily fall back into it, because it's an endorphine rush, and when things are at their worst, it let me feel again.
The main thing to remember is that you are not alone. There are others out there that know EXACTLY what you're fighting, and have gone through what
you're going through now. I don't speak for everyone, but PLEASE, don't hesitate to reach out to me if you need to. I won't sympathize or give
you the usual platitudes, but I can give advice, and try to help you to handle the different situations that you're going through.
Understanding Depression (Important Info Everyone Should Know), page 8
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reply posted on 17-4-2009 @ 07:33 AM by berenike
Originally posted by wylekat
reply to post by berenike
I've been at this for 20 years- and believed- truly believed for the entire time. I am burned out on believing on something that obviously isn't going to HAPPEN. As for my opinions about myself? I've been told I am too ugly, too poor, too this, and not enough of that by every woman I have tried to date. My ex boss worsened this problem by a factor of 10- and after only a couple years working for him, almost all my talent and skill went down the toilet to boot. Some Christian. Bah. I liked his daughter.... and she was in on screwing me over. I had ambition for a certain job, and tried for it for well over 2 decades. I finally gave up last summer. I was completely burned to the ground. I have tried, and tried and tried- I dont have the strength to try any more. I lost love, I lost a career, I lost everything, I'm pushing middle age, and I have NOTHING to show for it- minus the fact I am 1 step away from crazytown.
I can still find something positive in what you've written. You say you had talent and skill, well you don't just lose those things. You don't say what they are, but to take art or music as examples - you don't just lose them.
Give yourself a little time and the inspiration will come back.
I used to remind myself that once I hit rock bottom, the only way was up. Sometimes it appalled me how deep the fall was until I hit the bottom but eventually I'd get there. Then it was a matter of finding a way to climb back up.
If you're 'pushing middle-age', well you're still a young man. If you have a healthy, youngish man's body to live in that gives you an enormous advantage. You are in exactly the right position to take some of the advice given here about taking exercise.
If women are telling you that you're too poor and ugly, then I'm sorry to say it, but maybe your skill at choosing good women could do with brushing up?
Now might be the time to reconsider the type of woman you would find attractive. You certainly don't want to get stuck with some shallow money-grabber.
I hope you don't think I'm stalking you or being insensitive. I feel there's a lively, humorous person in there who just needs to relax a bit, give himself a break and maybe adjust his priorities a little bit.
Going back to the exercise, you might meet a lot of interesting people following the same hobby. If you can borrow someone's dog and take it for a walk you'd be amazed at how many people will stop and talk to you. Really, you never know......
Oh, I worked for a bullying, overbearing employer for a long time. I used to 'put a paper bag over my head' and most of the time I could handle the situation. Occasionally it would get too much for me, but something I used to hold on to: a lot of her carryings on were due to a deep-rooted inferiority complex and (incredibly) I think she used to be jealous of me. Bullies are like that, fearful, envious, inadequate. What did you have that your boss found so intolerable? Skill and talent. Possibly (I don't know you) a nice nature as well. Don't let him win. Find yourself again.
reply posted on 17-4-2009 @ 09:16 AM by Applesandoranges
Hi im sorry to hear about what has happened to you as my brother is going through the same thing. Except he becomes very violent & suicidal if he does
not take his meds. Before he went on the meds he was normal, just had fatty liver and bad diet resulting in high cholesterol aswell, which would mean
he could have changed his diet rather then go on drugs. This is why i have researched so much into the links between depression meds and violents
thoughts and suicide. Although we dont agree i still think alternative views should be heard for those families also struggling with the opposite side
of these depression meds.
I want to help those families who have to watch their backs everyday and cry themselves to sleep wishing they could help their loved ones be normal again and wondering why sone drug companies allow to do this evil.
Since the research is so extreme and wide i though i will just post 2 links that may help anyone if interested:
ssristories.com...
www.newmediaexplorer.org...
He has become better since dosing up his b vitamins, going on a raw food diet resulitng in him eating alot more salads and docotr has reduced his medicaiton and still doing ok. But the thing is he is now debted to be on these drugs all of his life as now he is not just a diagnosed depressive but as a result is now suffering skitzophrenia. As a result i have lost 7 years of hanging out with my brother(how we used to be) and the twin like closeness we had. I also believe these meds are a form of mind control because he believes almost everything he sees and reads and thinks opposite to those things he should believe in.
[edit on 17-4-2009 by Applesandoranges]
I want to help those families who have to watch their backs everyday and cry themselves to sleep wishing they could help their loved ones be normal again and wondering why sone drug companies allow to do this evil.
Since the research is so extreme and wide i though i will just post 2 links that may help anyone if interested:
ssristories.com...
www.newmediaexplorer.org...
He has become better since dosing up his b vitamins, going on a raw food diet resulitng in him eating alot more salads and docotr has reduced his medicaiton and still doing ok. But the thing is he is now debted to be on these drugs all of his life as now he is not just a diagnosed depressive but as a result is now suffering skitzophrenia. As a result i have lost 7 years of hanging out with my brother(how we used to be) and the twin like closeness we had. I also believe these meds are a form of mind control because he believes almost everything he sees and reads and thinks opposite to those things he should believe in.
[edit on 17-4-2009 by Applesandoranges]
reply posted on 17-4-2009 @ 10:19 AM by BriggsBU
reply to post by mkultraangel
Tried. All they do is rehash the same tired sayings everyone else does. Things will get better, every cloud has a silver lining, blah blah blah. Has never made me feel any better
Tried. All they do is rehash the same tired sayings everyone else does. Things will get better, every cloud has a silver lining, blah blah blah. Has never made me feel any better
reply posted on 17-4-2009 @ 10:35 AM by mkultraangel
reply to post by BriggsBU
en.wikipedia.org...
An existential crisis can result from:
* The sense of being alone and isolated in the world;
* A new found grasp or appreciation of one's mortality;
* Believing that one's life has no purpose or external meaning; or
* Awareness of one's freedom and the consequences of accepting or rejecting that freedom.
Existential crisis resembles anomie (a sociological concept), the mid-life crisis is an example. Usually, an existential crisis stems from the person's perception of existence.
Non-existential belief systems, such as religion, astrology, and witchcraft, provide compact and logically irrefutable (i.e. tautological) explanations for human existence often invoking a man-made construct of one or more iterations of a supernatural being. A transition to the realization of the absence of fulfillment via religious faith is one avenue to trigger suffering associated with an existential crisis. This sudden appreciation that there is no afterlife and, moreover, the meaning and purpose of one's life is determined from within, not through a irrational narrative defined by others, inevitably leads to substantial personal growth, with the transition through this critical confrontation with the ‘existential’ world a necessary step of maturation
en.wikipedia.org...
An existential crisis can result from:
* The sense of being alone and isolated in the world;
* A new found grasp or appreciation of one's mortality;
* Believing that one's life has no purpose or external meaning; or
* Awareness of one's freedom and the consequences of accepting or rejecting that freedom.
Existential crisis resembles anomie (a sociological concept), the mid-life crisis is an example. Usually, an existential crisis stems from the person's perception of existence.
Non-existential belief systems, such as religion, astrology, and witchcraft, provide compact and logically irrefutable (i.e. tautological) explanations for human existence often invoking a man-made construct of one or more iterations of a supernatural being. A transition to the realization of the absence of fulfillment via religious faith is one avenue to trigger suffering associated with an existential crisis. This sudden appreciation that there is no afterlife and, moreover, the meaning and purpose of one's life is determined from within, not through a irrational narrative defined by others, inevitably leads to substantial personal growth, with the transition through this critical confrontation with the ‘existential’ world a necessary step of maturation
reply posted on 17-4-2009 @ 11:16 AM by Zaphod58
reply to post by BriggsBU
That used to just piss me off to no end. I would try to explain to someone that things like that don't work, or what they were suggesting I try didn't work for me, and they just wouldn't get it. They always end up with "It'll get better." At that point if I was talking to them online, I would just leave the chat, because I was too pissed off.
That happened one night with someone on here. He kept saying the same things everyone else did, so I left. While I was gone one of my friends gave him the abbreviated story of what was going on with me. A few hours later I started talking to him again, and his first question was "How have you not shot someone yet?"
The one thing that Depression can do for you, that I have found to be a gift, is to show you that you have untapped strength that you didn't know you had. To me, what I fought through seemed like hell, but I fought it. It was my life at the time, and the only option was to get up every day, put one foot in front of the other and do what had to be done. I wasn't HAPPY about it, but I did it. My other half one day, after hearing everything I went through, told me that most people would have been crippled by what I went through, or would have been permanently damaged. She has been a blessing to me. She taught me to not hide the scars on my wrist, and be proud of who I am, and what I went through. It was a trial, and I beat it, and I came through intact.
I'm not saying that I don't see what I did, or what I went through as no big deal, because it was a HUGE deal, but giving up was not an option. I refused to let it win, and I was going to do whatever I had to do to get through it. If that meant I went through this for the rest of my life, then for however long that was, I was going to get up every day, and put one foot in front of the other, and see what happened. I was miserable every day, but a part of me said I WAS going to fight, and I WAS going to make it.
That used to just piss me off to no end. I would try to explain to someone that things like that don't work, or what they were suggesting I try didn't work for me, and they just wouldn't get it. They always end up with "It'll get better." At that point if I was talking to them online, I would just leave the chat, because I was too pissed off.
That happened one night with someone on here. He kept saying the same things everyone else did, so I left. While I was gone one of my friends gave him the abbreviated story of what was going on with me. A few hours later I started talking to him again, and his first question was "How have you not shot someone yet?"
The one thing that Depression can do for you, that I have found to be a gift, is to show you that you have untapped strength that you didn't know you had. To me, what I fought through seemed like hell, but I fought it. It was my life at the time, and the only option was to get up every day, put one foot in front of the other and do what had to be done. I wasn't HAPPY about it, but I did it. My other half one day, after hearing everything I went through, told me that most people would have been crippled by what I went through, or would have been permanently damaged. She has been a blessing to me. She taught me to not hide the scars on my wrist, and be proud of who I am, and what I went through. It was a trial, and I beat it, and I came through intact.
I'm not saying that I don't see what I did, or what I went through as no big deal, because it was a HUGE deal, but giving up was not an option. I refused to let it win, and I was going to do whatever I had to do to get through it. If that meant I went through this for the rest of my life, then for however long that was, I was going to get up every day, and put one foot in front of the other, and see what happened. I was miserable every day, but a part of me said I WAS going to fight, and I WAS going to make it.
reply posted on 17-4-2009 @ 11:40 AM by berenike
reply to post by BriggsBU
What Zaphod58 has said is so true. Living and working through depression can make you stronger.
Reading through some of the replies here, it is amazing to hear how people have coped and to hear how hard they have worked to make a better life for themselves.
You're in good company here, please stay with us. Keep reading, you will most likely find a tip or an anecdote that will help or inspire you.
And keep posting, let us know how you are doing. Please, try to find just one thing each day that gives you some pleasure. Even if all you do is look out of your window and admire a cloud, or a bird or the sunset, just find something.
There are beautiful things in this world, try to be open to them. They can help to balance out the bad things. And the more room you make for them in your life, the less room there is for the bad stuff.
What Zaphod58 has said is so true. Living and working through depression can make you stronger.
Reading through some of the replies here, it is amazing to hear how people have coped and to hear how hard they have worked to make a better life for themselves.
You're in good company here, please stay with us. Keep reading, you will most likely find a tip or an anecdote that will help or inspire you.
And keep posting, let us know how you are doing. Please, try to find just one thing each day that gives you some pleasure. Even if all you do is look out of your window and admire a cloud, or a bird or the sunset, just find something.
There are beautiful things in this world, try to be open to them. They can help to balance out the bad things. And the more room you make for them in your life, the less room there is for the bad stuff.
reply posted on 17-4-2009 @ 04:23 PM by Echtelion
Tentikles, I think you should explore some alternative theories on depression to really have a deep understanding of the problem. Actually
"depression", including all its new colorful categories created by the DSM book, is only the symptom of a socially-generated disease that about any
individual with enough sensivity and consciousness can contract. This disease is of systemic origins, but it is also written down deep within the mind
of the people who suffer from it.
Depression is both a symptom and a natural reaction of not only defense, but rejection against an order that oppresses the life of a person and confines its choices to nonsense behaviors... like waking up every morning for going to a job that you just don't like, but keep doing because of some social-economical set of things. You most probably know that condition because this is the same that most people on this planet have been through.
At one point, under an accumulation and multiplication of small of big traumas of the everyday life (often facilitated by the cold and disinterested behavior of others!) the person gets to just drop out, to just stop trying to "live" and to withdraw back into him(her)self, in a psychological bubble of comfort that is essentially nihilistic. Such a condition could also be wisely called a "global refusal", or a and it's not for any reason that it was formerly called by the latin words Amor Fati (the exhaustion of passion, or love). Some have cleverly called it an "individual strike", although it doesn't always has as much political undertone as the more conventional strikes... This one is a strike against mostly everything, up to the most sensitive things such as friendship, trust and love. At one point an individual gets so exhausted from a scheme of things that he can't hold on to what the rest of his life is made of (such as his siblings), and this is why it often equates with comitting suicide, out of sheer despair.
From years of random research that I did at both academic and field level i can tell you for sure that most psychologists are deluded into following the mainstream theories on psychopathology and mental disorders, aside from perhaps their understanding of hysteria and other They are simply missing the whole point by letting aside the social and linguistic aspect of psychological development and processes, which are the fundamental of how people's minds -especially their perception of reality- develops and evolves. They suffer from the general problem of division in science, which makes them unable to read and interpret all of the rich social and cultural meaning behind a so-called psychological disorder. The neurological and physiological side is there, for sure, but is misinterpreted, being approached as part of the disease -and even its cause- rather than one of its major symptoms. I other words, the relation cause and effect is perceived upside down. Symptoms such as unstable or altered brain activity, misconnection between neurons and misfunction of endocrine glands are the result of the disease rather than its cause. Therefore, to give medications to a patient will only superficially treat the disease, without curing it at its sources, which can be found deeper into both the mind and the social background or environment of the patient, both into the subconscious patterns of perception and into the social relations with the "outside world".
Submission to authority, division, exploitation, alienation, idealisation and self-denial are these main social relations where the disease comes from, and these relations are intimately linked to the dominant economic and political system, that not only advocates but enforces these types of social relations through institutions of many kinds (religion, family, school, money, business, labor, etc). This very system seems to be actually based on these relations because it is these very same relations that allow some people to gain wealth, preserve it and protect it under monopolies. Those who find themselves to be on the worst side of these relations are the more subject to develop depression, or to go "on strike". Look out for data on the general social background of people suffering from depression, you will see what I'm talking about. But it's not just about the material standards of living, it can have something to do with sexual relationships or the nature of the subject's political involvement in society, or even more specific issues.
...which leads to the necessity of submerging into the subconcious realm of a subject's psyche, since his/her behavior is rooted deep into the schemes of perception and behavior that the person interiorises throughout his/her lifetime. Subconcious can be seen as an active memory, or a memory that is somewhat encrypted (hidden behind a veil of symbols, representations and lookalikes) but still is making you feel and see situations and things in ways that others probably won't, and that prompts a particular set of actions or reactions (just as being scared of a cop, and behaving in a polite, submissive manner to avoid perceived troubles that could be just illusory).
Psypathology has to be sociological and psychodynamic, or it's just another way to be a legal pusher (for prescription drugs), or worse, a personal despot such as these psychiatrists who "treat" people under custody in mental asylums. In both ways, the psychiatrist becomes an agent of social control that manipulates and reprograms the patient into getting back into the relation of authority.
Furthermore I don't think you can have a clear understanding of depression, such as any other behavior labelled as disorder without studying the whole history of madness through the ages. Reading Michel Foucault is a very good start for that, through his captivating investigation of deviances and madness through the ages, even if he's been criticized for a few historical distorsions. The thing is that psychiatry and psychopathology is scientific just on the surface, and what lies under is nothing much more than the same old political mechanisms of repression and domination that have been dominating the Western world for centuries, adn these pseudo-sciences are an attempt at solving the necessities emerging from these mechanisms through clinical, medical ways.
Oh, and pharmaceuticals must be avoided at all costs! There are very good herbal solutions for the disorder known as depression out there. St John's Wort (achileus) is the best known and reverred, but still must be taken under supervision of a trustworthy medic.
Reiki should work as well. But I'd personnally recommand it should be approached as "experimental" treatment, even though it actually really works for many things.
Question everything!
Eck
[edit on 17/4/09 by Echtelion]
[edit on 17/4/09 by Echtelion]
Depression is both a symptom and a natural reaction of not only defense, but rejection against an order that oppresses the life of a person and confines its choices to nonsense behaviors... like waking up every morning for going to a job that you just don't like, but keep doing because of some social-economical set of things. You most probably know that condition because this is the same that most people on this planet have been through.
At one point, under an accumulation and multiplication of small of big traumas of the everyday life (often facilitated by the cold and disinterested behavior of others!) the person gets to just drop out, to just stop trying to "live" and to withdraw back into him(her)self, in a psychological bubble of comfort that is essentially nihilistic. Such a condition could also be wisely called a "global refusal", or a and it's not for any reason that it was formerly called by the latin words Amor Fati (the exhaustion of passion, or love). Some have cleverly called it an "individual strike", although it doesn't always has as much political undertone as the more conventional strikes... This one is a strike against mostly everything, up to the most sensitive things such as friendship, trust and love. At one point an individual gets so exhausted from a scheme of things that he can't hold on to what the rest of his life is made of (such as his siblings), and this is why it often equates with comitting suicide, out of sheer despair.
From years of random research that I did at both academic and field level i can tell you for sure that most psychologists are deluded into following the mainstream theories on psychopathology and mental disorders, aside from perhaps their understanding of hysteria and other They are simply missing the whole point by letting aside the social and linguistic aspect of psychological development and processes, which are the fundamental of how people's minds -especially their perception of reality- develops and evolves. They suffer from the general problem of division in science, which makes them unable to read and interpret all of the rich social and cultural meaning behind a so-called psychological disorder. The neurological and physiological side is there, for sure, but is misinterpreted, being approached as part of the disease -and even its cause- rather than one of its major symptoms. I other words, the relation cause and effect is perceived upside down. Symptoms such as unstable or altered brain activity, misconnection between neurons and misfunction of endocrine glands are the result of the disease rather than its cause. Therefore, to give medications to a patient will only superficially treat the disease, without curing it at its sources, which can be found deeper into both the mind and the social background or environment of the patient, both into the subconscious patterns of perception and into the social relations with the "outside world".
Submission to authority, division, exploitation, alienation, idealisation and self-denial are these main social relations where the disease comes from, and these relations are intimately linked to the dominant economic and political system, that not only advocates but enforces these types of social relations through institutions of many kinds (religion, family, school, money, business, labor, etc). This very system seems to be actually based on these relations because it is these very same relations that allow some people to gain wealth, preserve it and protect it under monopolies. Those who find themselves to be on the worst side of these relations are the more subject to develop depression, or to go "on strike". Look out for data on the general social background of people suffering from depression, you will see what I'm talking about. But it's not just about the material standards of living, it can have something to do with sexual relationships or the nature of the subject's political involvement in society, or even more specific issues.
...which leads to the necessity of submerging into the subconcious realm of a subject's psyche, since his/her behavior is rooted deep into the schemes of perception and behavior that the person interiorises throughout his/her lifetime. Subconcious can be seen as an active memory, or a memory that is somewhat encrypted (hidden behind a veil of symbols, representations and lookalikes) but still is making you feel and see situations and things in ways that others probably won't, and that prompts a particular set of actions or reactions (just as being scared of a cop, and behaving in a polite, submissive manner to avoid perceived troubles that could be just illusory).
Psypathology has to be sociological and psychodynamic, or it's just another way to be a legal pusher (for prescription drugs), or worse, a personal despot such as these psychiatrists who "treat" people under custody in mental asylums. In both ways, the psychiatrist becomes an agent of social control that manipulates and reprograms the patient into getting back into the relation of authority.
Furthermore I don't think you can have a clear understanding of depression, such as any other behavior labelled as disorder without studying the whole history of madness through the ages. Reading Michel Foucault is a very good start for that, through his captivating investigation of deviances and madness through the ages, even if he's been criticized for a few historical distorsions. The thing is that psychiatry and psychopathology is scientific just on the surface, and what lies under is nothing much more than the same old political mechanisms of repression and domination that have been dominating the Western world for centuries, adn these pseudo-sciences are an attempt at solving the necessities emerging from these mechanisms through clinical, medical ways.
Oh, and pharmaceuticals must be avoided at all costs! There are very good herbal solutions for the disorder known as depression out there. St John's Wort (achileus) is the best known and reverred, but still must be taken under supervision of a trustworthy medic.
Reiki should work as well. But I'd personnally recommand it should be approached as "experimental" treatment, even though it actually really works for many things.
Question everything!
Eck
[edit on 17/4/09 by Echtelion]
[edit on 17/4/09 by Echtelion]
Act like some kinda
freaked out bushman and go off. You may work for him but he DOES NOT OWN YOU. reply posted on 17-4-2009 @ 07:21 PM by Zaphod58
reply to post by Griffo515
I didn't use it as personal therapy, but a few members really stepped up and helped me out at my really low times. They know who they are so I won't name them in here, but they became like family to me, and I'm always going to be grateful to them.
I didn't use it as personal therapy, but a few members really stepped up and helped me out at my really low times. They know who they are so I won't name them in here, but they became like family to me, and I'm always going to be grateful to them.
reply posted on 17-4-2009 @ 07:49 PM by OhZone
Now then, there are a lot of helpful ideas on this thread.
How many of you are going to try them?
Q10 is great stuff.
Omega 3 is also great stuff.
Go for it.
For the lady having 'women" problems -- get some Lydia Pinkham's tablets. A long time ago I did. Problem solved. It changed my life.
Next, you all need to seriously assess your environment, your food, your water, everything that you put on you skin, all you cleaning & laundry materials; everything that you touch, consume or inhale.
We live in a toxic world. I have food allergies triggered by a Chinese dinner that was loaded with MSG, and like many of you, I get blown off when I mention them. My own son tells me its all in my mind; that I read somewhere that XXX is bad etc and therefore I react to it.
Consider that we are the Canaries in the Coal mine. The sensitives that should be a warning to the rest of the people.
To put all this into perspective read this article. It is a timeline from 1900 to present which shows how disease increased as more chemicals were used in our every day lives.
the hundred year lie
In 1920 there were 1 million pounds of synthetic chemicals manufactured.
In year 2000 there were 140+ million pounds produced.
Don't you think that, that right there says volumes about what we are up against?
Here's one that hits close to home for you:
"1961:
the FDA approves a medication called Ritalin for use by children with behavior problems. By 1975, about 150,000 children in the U.S. will be taking Ritalin. By 2005, about 6 million U.S. children will be using Ritalin, representing 85 percent of total Ritalin consumption in the entire world."
And this one:
"2000 -The Physicians for Social Responsibility releases a report describing "an epidemic of developmental, learning and behavioral disabilities" affecting an estimated 12 million children in the U.S. Evidence suggests the epidemic may be a result of toxic chemicals affecting the central nervous system of these children."
(edit to add link)
[edit on 17-4-2009 by OhZone]
How many of you are going to try them?
Q10 is great stuff.
Omega 3 is also great stuff.
Go for it.
For the lady having 'women" problems -- get some Lydia Pinkham's tablets. A long time ago I did. Problem solved. It changed my life.
Next, you all need to seriously assess your environment, your food, your water, everything that you put on you skin, all you cleaning & laundry materials; everything that you touch, consume or inhale.
We live in a toxic world. I have food allergies triggered by a Chinese dinner that was loaded with MSG, and like many of you, I get blown off when I mention them. My own son tells me its all in my mind; that I read somewhere that XXX is bad etc and therefore I react to it.
Consider that we are the Canaries in the Coal mine. The sensitives that should be a warning to the rest of the people.
To put all this into perspective read this article. It is a timeline from 1900 to present which shows how disease increased as more chemicals were used in our every day lives.
the hundred year lie
In 1920 there were 1 million pounds of synthetic chemicals manufactured.
In year 2000 there were 140+ million pounds produced.
Don't you think that, that right there says volumes about what we are up against?
Here's one that hits close to home for you:
"1961:
the FDA approves a medication called Ritalin for use by children with behavior problems. By 1975, about 150,000 children in the U.S. will be taking Ritalin. By 2005, about 6 million U.S. children will be using Ritalin, representing 85 percent of total Ritalin consumption in the entire world."
And this one:
"2000 -The Physicians for Social Responsibility releases a report describing "an epidemic of developmental, learning and behavioral disabilities" affecting an estimated 12 million children in the U.S. Evidence suggests the epidemic may be a result of toxic chemicals affecting the central nervous system of these children."
(edit to add link)
[edit on 17-4-2009 by OhZone]
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Social Issues and Civil Unrest: 17 hours ago, 41 replies
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Breaking Alternative News: 12 hours ago, 35 replies
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