HR 1388 National Service Bill Passed Senate

Originally posted by Albertarocks
A caller today informed Alex Jones that this bill had passed (Jones hadn't heard yet), and Jones went almost ballistic. He almost came to tears he was so upset about it. Jones summed it up as being a law declaring that basically the citizens are now slaves. I don't quite understand it, but I trust Jones completely. I'm careful not to believe everything I hear and Jones hasn't lied to me yet.

This kind of thing is exactly why I don't trust Jones. For one thing, I've never seen him spin a story less than the mainstream media does. For another, if he pretended to be shocked and surprised that this bill passed the Senate, that's what it was. Pretend. Acting. Everyone expected it to pass.

Have you looked at the actual bill? It will increase service positions within the Americorps program to 250,000 from 75,000. Those service positions pay a minimal but liveable wage during the time served, and a stipend for college afterward.

In the current economic situation, if I was just on my way into the work force I think I'd be very glad to have the opportunity to apply for one of these positions as a sort of backup.

The bit that everyone keeps citing about no protesting or union organizing? that applies to the volunteers, while their doing their service. It's to prevent this from being used as a political platform by volunteers.

Same with the restrictions on what kinds of organizations will be eligible to participate. Remember, that means that the organization gets the "volunteer" labor of someone, who is then paid by the government to do their service. Notable restrictions include that no organization that provides abortion services, including referrals to abortion providers, can participate. That should give you a better sense of what that particular amendment to this bill is directed towards.

It does not limit our rights to protest or organize as citizens. It does not require everyone to join the service corps. It increases the available positions at a time when they will surely be in demand both from people looking for work of any form and from organizations in need of volunteers to serve a strapped and hurting population.

Alex Jones has a major agenda. Listen to him, then listen to a reputable mainstream media publication. The truth will be somewhere in between, but a heck of a lot closer to the MSM than to Jones.

Better yet, don't listen to either. Read the summaries of the bills and work it out for yourself. Quotes taken out of context can be made to mean almost anything

Originally posted by dwiggen
But I don't feel as if a little "forced" labor is worth fighting about.
[edit on 25-3-2009 by dwiggen]

I would simply wonder where it is that you would draw the line?

I am not saying that this is that point for me, either. I just think it goes back to what Thomas Jefferson said about the coming Civil War (which he predicted by nearly half a century)

“This momentous question, like a firebell in the night, awakened and filled me with terror.” -Thomas Jefferson

The fact is, there is nothing wrong with children and seniors doing volunteer service. It is, actually, laudable and worthy of reward. However, I would encourage anyone interested in this topic to look at and read the Bill.

For example:

(3) ELIGIBLE SITE FOR CAMPUS- ';
(ii) by striking `A camp may be located' and inserting `A campus must be cost-effective and may, upon the completion of a feasibility study, be located'; (5) in subsection (e)-- (A) by amending the paragraph heading to read as follows: `(e) Distribution of Units and Campuses- '; (B) by striking `camps are distributed' and inserting `campuses are cost-effective and are distributed'; and (C) by striking `rural areas' and all that follows through the period at the end and inserting `rural areas such that each Corps unit in a region can be easily deployed for disaster and emergency response to such region.'

-SEC. 155. NATIONAL CIVILIAN COMMUNITY CORPS.'; HR 1388

And the fact that the Advisory Board is made up of political appointees and the head of FEMA.

Let's just say caution is warranted.

EDIT Grammar

[edit on 25-3-2009 by Iago18]

Originally posted by timewalker
reply to post by Iago18

 

I agree. The people will be systematically opposed with one another. Just as planned. The seeds of this are all over the threads about this. You will either be with them or against them and deemed an enemy of the STATE. I am ashamed that all that our defenders of freedom have done for us is being flushed down the toilet.

If you noticed all the rhetoric in Obama's speech tonight kept talking about Investments in Education, Energy and Health, this is what he is speaking of. He is feeding it to the people in small spoonfuls. It will be a "needed" thing. Not one network news station is covering this bill. I can see through every word that comes from his socialist mouth.

Be wary of this being who pretends to be something he is not. I believe this beings adjenda is like a well planned orgastrated corriographed and behind the scenes scripted movie with a scarry emptiness of reverse meaning of his words being broadcasted and projected toward the hypnotized sheeple.

reply to post by dwiggen



You don't feel a "little forced labor" is worth fighting over ? You will be up in arms when they try to take your rights away from you ? Excuse me , but forcing you to work without pay is definately taking your rights away from you.

How about this for a reason to fight, to defend the constitution, didn't you swear an oath to uphold the constitution when you joined the military ?

reply to post by lawbringer


Yes I do know what Socialism is... and I wonder some times if it's as bad as people make it out to be.

We keep calling this slavery, but is that what it really is? Yes you would be required to work for some time for no pay (boo hoo), and yes you probably wouldn't jump for joy at the work you would be having to do. But once you're time is up, that's it! No more "slavery" for you, and what was done in the process? A road was repaired, or a school was built, or a hospital was renovated. Why can't we just view this as the people banding together to help out the community at large, I think even our Founders would have stood behind that. The fact that it is being mandated by the government means nothing! We pay them to get things done, and this is what they are trying to do. But as soon as they decide to put We the People to work (in our own country), we cry foul. I wonder how many of us would complain if they were paying us one of those nice government salaries while we were doing this work.

I don't actually see this as a "slavery" bill.

Rather, I see it as a backdoor draft that allows for the subversion of the Constitution that will allow for a standing army within the borders of the United States.

The bill has clearly martial tones and is ideologically driven. My friends, this is the scary part. It's not the service that scares me. Honestly, a lot of kids could use doing good for their communities. However, I do not want them based at a "camp" and having "uniforms" (yes, these are used in the bill...)

So... as with my first post in this thread, we have allowed for the creation of an Army. Are you ready for what comes next?

reply to post by chise61


I was actually kind of humbled by your reply. I guess my biggest flaw here has been to jump into this argument without having full knowledge of that Constitution which I did indeed swear to uphold and defend. I read Amendment 13, and it does appear to me now that what they are doing would constitute as slavery. I apologize for my previous posts, I get so caught up in the "greater good" that sometimes it blinds me to things that are right in front of me.

I still stand by the opinion that we should all feel compelled to give something back to our communities, but perhaps volunteering is more appropriate. I just fear sometimes that too many people are too lazy to volunteer in the first place! Anyway, I stand corrected in this matter.

Cheers!

reply to post by americandingbat
I will just say this about Alex Jones. If Willie Nelson trust him, I trust him. Not just saying that because I am from Texas either. I think he is a kind gentle man looking out for the little guy and he probably has his own connections.

If you guys look at the thread I started on the 18th, you will see foreign nationals that escaped their tyranny saying that they see it all happening again under the same smokescreen. That is a scary thing. I tend to think history repeats itself like a broken record.

reply to post by Iago18


I definitely feel that I could come on line with your line of thinking. One of my friends and I having been talking a lot recently about the FEMA camps and what they could potentially be used for. This could certainly be it. I mean, the infrastructure and logistics would already be set up, all they would need to do is start the collection process. And what you've shown in the literature of the bill seems to correlate with that thought.

Originally posted by dwiggen
reply to post by lawbringer

 

Yes I do know what Socialism is... and I wonder some times if it's as bad as people make it out to be.

We keep calling this slavery, but is that what it really is? Yes you would be required to work for some time for no pay (boo hoo), and yes you probably wouldn't jump for joy at the work you would be having to do. But once you're time is up, that's it! No more "slavery" for you, and what was done in the process? A road was repaired, or a school was built, or a hospital was renovated. Why can't we just view this as the people banding together to help out the community at large, I think even our Founders would have stood behind that. The fact that it is being mandated by the government means nothing! We pay them to get things done, and this is what they are trying to do. But as soon as they decide to put We the People to work (in our own country), we cry foul. I wonder how many of us would complain if they were paying us one of those nice government salaries while we were doing this work.

But our forefathers did not have to be told and forced to help their fellow man they did it because they wanted to and had compassion for their neighbors plus thought it to be their civic duty without someone telling them what to do and when. You give this administration an inch and they will take a mile and you can take it to the bank. Oh I am sorry they have already taken it to the bank.

Yeah mandatory like go to school or work a job else get rounded
up for supervised labor.

Good if they are checked for guns as most probably they will be
criminals.


Unless its child labor camps then its shame on Obama for listening
to the same Illuminati that Hitler did.

Yeah it could happen again.
A sucker born every century is all it takes.

reply to post by dwiggen


Look, I'm not saying I'm right. Frankly, I hope that I am wrong. It is just that the way things are going, the probability is starting to inch in the direction of things not looking so good.

Upon examination of HR 1388 and then at HR 645 (that's the actual FEMA camp Bill), we see a disturbing trend developing.

Please also notice that, as the Senate was voting on this Bill, the President was occupying the entire media system of the nation. (Aside from C-SPAN2, I think)

This bill has gotten nothing but positive coverage. Who could oppose G.I.V.E.? Perhaps only those people who might be later identified as persons of interest who see "conspiracies" where there are none?

Again, I don't think anyone here claims to have the answers, and I know I'm certainly not psychic. But, I know some history, I've read my political philosophers, and I pay (a bit too much) attention to the news.

Could we be chasing phantoms? Certainly.

Could we be right? The evidence is mounting.

This sucs..and it is unconstitutional..forcing hard working, tax paying americans to do free wor ontop of the system ripping them off...shame on yuo obama. I inda o agree though, with getting todays younger ids into something...but becuase this is federal and preidential stuff, its illegal.. Maybe this is why they let obama win ...he is a constitutional major, i rread..he then must know loopholes to work around it: (
ON another hand, personaly...MAYBE its a good thing some of us constitutional peoplpe are int he program...too throw a monkey wrench in it Go to one of their new nazi started mandatory work labor camps, and do a BAD job,, jsut make it loo lie yuor dumb, and when they say anyting... HEY yuo got me into this not lie im doin it unpurpose... with any act of luc, yuoll be discharged unless they send you to FEMA camp for re education ( taps fistts into hands)
i also disagree, because its governemnt who have made a mess of everything..and seems now they want you to mae things clean for their convieniemnce... i say a revolt is in order straight to the White house

reply to post by amari
I am not following you. Did you mean me or Obamarama? Because I am not that gifted. I wish I was.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by detachedindividual

 

I am sorry...not mandatory?....

Did you even bother to read the excerpts given?....

Several times you can clearly read they want to make it mandatory of all citizens.....





Does the HR 1388 bill say mandatory or not?



[edit on 24-3-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

High School is not mandatory either. But we all know the that having a piece of paper that states you have a "government education" diploma... you might be able to make more money.

How many people would go fight in Iraq if there weren't benefits for their service?

As long as their is an opportunity to make money, people will do just about anything.

[edit on 25-3-2009 by Doomsday 2029]

Originally posted by dwiggen

We keep calling this slavery, but is that what it really is?

Why can't we just view this as the people banding together to help out the community at large, I think even our Founders would have stood behind that.

The fact that it is being mandated by the government means nothing! We pay them to get things done, and this is what they are trying to do.

I wonder how many of us would complain if they were paying us one of those nice government salaries while we were doing this work.

Yes it really is slavery.

We can't view it as that because that is not what it is, it is nothing more than slave labor.

No our founders would not stand behind this.

The fact that it is being mandated by our government means everything.

Exactly we pay them to get things done, we don't pay them to force us to do it. If we must do it ourselves, then we don't need them, and obviously don't need to pay them. Would you pay your boss so that you could work for him ?

I'm sure none of us would complain if we were receiving their high salsries while doing this work, that is the point people should receive payment for their services, and should not have their jobs forced upon them,especially without pay.

On another note..maybe some of us, shuold send some letters to congreess AND too mainstream press. along with the 13th Amendment...NO involuntary service for american citizens...
im thiing if it gets front page news or on mainstream media, it could in fact, embarrass congress and obama what do you all think?
I dont see obama or tha Emmanuel guy wroking for free or thier kids inn this program either... follow the leader, shuold be the name of this game..i seee yuor kids obama and Emmanuel go to this cvivl service program then so will i...

The same governemnt that sold us out to china and britain? And they want obidient servants form us now?
sorry for the posts guys, but hits kinda got me fuming..

reply to post by dwiggen


I appreciate your apology and conceding that what they are trying to do is unconstitutional.

That being said, i also believe that people should help out a bit more than they do, but it must be on a voluntary basis. If we allow them to violate our constitution in this way, where will it stop.

And again i have nothing but the upmost respect for the men and women that risk their lives to protect this country. And i thank you for your service.


[edit on 25/3/09 by chise61]

I am reminded of an old line from the movie THX1138:
"Consumption is being standardized... we are sorry..."


Surprised I am not.
It's sad news, and I am not in agreement of any involuntary servitude for anyone.

Not that this will change anything though, it might take a few link out of our chains... to keep us closer to our masters.

Slaves we are, as you all may know.
Face the facts:
We work and toil away just to have the "luxury" or supposed freedom of being able to buy some goods that might make us better than the slave tied up next to you or I. We live that way, day in and day out. (ohh, and we even pay taxes on those wooden nickels we get) Why?

We all want to be better.... but we still walk that path.

Is this what we have become? Seriously folks....



T-
rant /out