HR 1388 National Service Bill Passed Senate

Originally posted by americandingbat

Originally posted by Albertarocks
I don't quite understand it, but I trust Jones completely. I'm careful not to believe everything I hear and Jones hasn't lied to me yet.

Alex Jones has a major agenda. Listen to him, then listen to a reputable mainstream media publication. The truth will be somewhere in between, but a heck of a lot closer to the MSM than to Jones.

Uh, about your idea that I should listen to the MSM and to Jones both and the truth would lie somewhere in between.....

It wasn't the MSM who told me about mercury in the vaccines, it was Jones. I checked it out. He was right.

It wasn't the MSM who told me about Fema camps two years ago, it was Jones. I checked it out. He was right.

It wasn't the MSM who told me about the fact that Rahm Emanuel's father was a nazi and that his last name isn't even Emanuel. It was Alex Jones who told me. I checked it out. Rahm's family name is Auerbach, not Emanuel. And his father? You guessed it, Jones was right.

It wasn't the MSM who warned me that Monsanto has paid politicians to give them patents on GMO's and that armed with those patents, they could (and have) sieze the property of any farmer who had seeds in his crops that were cross-pollinated with any of Monsanto's patented genes (even if they were cross pollinated by bees or the wind). It was Jones who informed me of this. I checked it all out and guess what?

Need I carry on or do you get the picture? If anybody has an agenda, it sounds to me that it would be you. I can see through people like you in about a half a second.

So you go ahead and heed your own advice. I certainly won't be. And since you are thankful because you envision this as a "job opportunity"...

good luck with your new job. I'm sure you'll find it full of wonderful surprises and probably a vacation to some place you weren't even planning on. Have a great time

I hope the government has their public liability insurance all up to date and that everyone who is forced to do this is covered for accident/death and disability.

I can see people getting injured doing some of these jobs.
Let's hope that they aren't left like shags on rocks financially , if something happens to them while doing this enforced labour.

Originally posted by Albertarocks

Need I carry on or do you get the picture? If anybody has an agenda, it sounds to me that it would be you. I can see through people like you in about a half a second.

I was going to respond to your post, until I got here. Nice ad hominem with a touch of bait on it.

Ever see George carlins last stand up? Near the end, he talks about the constitution... temporary privildges, thatst all it is. People are unaware how bad the governemnt and the upper 1% are screwin em. All yuo have to do, is google in japanese americans, 1942..and yuoll fidn all yuo can abuot your rights.. During WWII, japanesse americans, american citizens, were hoarded uop tino interment camps...and their only guilt, was their paretns were born in the wrong country at that time,, right when they needed their rights, thier goverment took it away from them..they had no legal right to a lawyer, no right to any kind of legal defense, they were in fact, stripped of all thier rights.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
Looks like a very good thing.

You know, before they use mind control techniques in the US, they test them first in the UK.

You're scarin' me man.

Did anyone else see the part about the centeralized electronic citizenship verification system?

Its only to establish a group to realize the feasability of such a system. (SEC.1710) It also includes that after the report, if said "Corporation" finds it feasable, the pilot will be initiated. Something about this screams big brother.

Drake out...

Contact the White House...it's time!!! Here's How...
www.whitehouse.gov...

Stop itchin' and start bitchin'!!!

Originally posted by detachedindividual
Kids and the consistently unemployed (through laziness) have life far too easy, and it shows in their attitudes. It's time they gave back to the community they leech off of, and introducing ways to enforce their responsibilities can only be a good thing.

To most of the roles society offers, I say, "You are made for more than that." We inhabit, in the words of Ivan Illich, "a world into which nobody fits who has not been crushed and molded by sixteen years of formal education." The very idea of having to be at a job "on time" was appalling to early industrial laborers, who also refused the numbing repetitiveness of industrial work until the specter of starvation compelled them. What truly self-respecting person would spend a life marketing soda pop or chewing gum unless they were somehow broken by repeated threats to survival? "

Schools train individuals to respond as a mass. Boys and girls are drilled in being bored, frightened, envious, emotionally needy, generally incomplete. A successful mass production economy requires such a clientele. A small business, small farm economy like that of the Amish requires individual competence, thoughtfulness, compassion, and universal participation; our own requires a managed mass of leveled, spiritless, anxious, familyless, friendless, godless, and obedient people who believe the difference between "Cheers" and "Seinfeld" is worth arguing about.

www.ascentofhumanity.com...
Maintaining the current slavery you want ? And the slaves will fight each other for the right to serve. And they will denounce each other to their masters. And will kill each other for "treason".

Also you want to see this, from H.R. 1388 :

‘SEC. 125. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

‘(a) Prohibited Activities- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities:

‘(1) Attempting to influence legislation.

‘(2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes.

[edit on 25-3-2009 by pai mei]

Originally posted by dwiggen
Some of you people amaze me. You take and take and take from everyone else in this country, and when someone finally makes it to where you might POSSIBLY have to do a little work for someone else, you flip your lids. Come on people, have a little empathy. If I have to be a slave for a few days, or even a few weeks, to help get the things done that need getting done, I will. But I guess that's just me, I mean, I already volunteered my life for this country, so I guess I'm biased. You all talk about "waking up," and you call each other sheep. All you're really doing is making it perfectly clear how selfish and self-centered you are. If "waking up" to you means putting yourself first before those around you, then I think I'll stay asleep. I remember when waking up meant realizing that there are things out there that are bigger than you, and it meant that we all worked together for the greater good.

Having said all that, I don't disagree that we shouldn't cautious about all this, one thing could definitely lead to another. But don't be so quick to condemn everything that comes from this administration as evil before you think about it from multiple angles. Think about the extreme benefit this could have, our workforce could be DOUBLED! Our deteriorating infrastructure, which is in need of some long-overdue repairs, could be fixed in a fraction of the time it will take going at the current rate.

I don't know... maybe I'm naive... but then again, maybe you are too.

If the .GOV would reduce the corporate tax rate and ENCOURAGE US-Based companies to hire AMERICAN workers and STOP outsourcing we wouldn't NEED Obama's fancy little worker-bee-slave program !!!!

Think of all the entrepreneurial opportunities tied to the work these "volunteers" would be doing. If you ask me, this is also one more stake in the heart of free-market capitalism.

Originally posted by dwiggen
reply to post by chise61

 

I was actually kind of humbled by your reply. I guess my biggest flaw here has been to jump into this argument without having full knowledge of that Constitution which I did indeed swear to uphold and defend. I read Amendment 13, and it does appear to me now that what they are doing would constitute as slavery. I apologize for my previous posts, I get so caught up in the "greater good" that sometimes it blinds me to things that are right in front of me.

I still stand by the opinion that we should all feel compelled to give something back to our communities, but perhaps volunteering is more appropriate. I just fear sometimes that too many people are too lazy to volunteer in the first place! Anyway, I stand corrected in this matter.

Cheers!

That takes a lot of courage and humility to say that; no one is ever right, neither am I. I agree we need to take more action in our own communities but like many posters have pointed out, there are TONS of volunteer programs already in place. Not to mention opportunities to send money and help fund them (which is what I do). Just because I don't pick up a shovel doesn't mean I don't care.

Regarding this legislation: all I need to do is read the 13th Amendment. That is all. It is right there in the USC. This is illegal and wrong.

[edit on 25-3-2009 by ACEMANN]

Originally posted by Iago18
reply to post by dwiggen

 

Look, I'm not saying I'm right. Frankly, I hope that I am wrong. It is just that the way things are going, the probability is starting to inch in the direction of things not looking so good.

Upon examination of HR 1388 and then at HR 645 (that's the actual FEMA camp Bill), we see a disturbing trend developing.

Please also notice that, as the Senate was voting on this Bill, the President was occupying the entire media system of the nation. (Aside from C-SPAN2, I think)

This bill has gotten nothing but positive coverage. Who could oppose G.I.V.E.? Perhaps only those people who might be later identified as persons of interest who see "conspiracies" where there are none?

Again, I don't think anyone here claims to have the answers, and I know I'm certainly not psychic. But, I know some history, I've read my political philosophers, and I pay (a bit too much) attention to the news.

Could we be chasing phantoms? Certainly.

Could we be right? The evidence is mounting.

Your comment regarding the FEMA bill got me to thinking: didn't they allow old military bases to be used by FEMA to stage from or use as base camps?

This is starting to come together - training the NCCC for "disaster preparedness" in unused military facilities under the supervision of FEMA - who would be in control in the event of a disaster..hmmm

‘SEC. 125. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

‘(a) Prohibited Activities- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities:

‘(1) Attempting to influence legislation.

‘(2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes.

Isn't that a way to stop Obama from using these goons as propaganda for the government?

But it still violates the first amendment for those people, which is bad.

And if you're in this corps, you can't strike. There you go. No strike right.

[edit on 25-3-2009 by Vitchilo]

If this truly does come to pass, my American patriots, you know what must be done. William Cooper spoke of the exact things that are currently going on. I'm afraid we will have another civil war. And all the blood from either side will entirely be on the hands of these socialist pigs.

This is un-nerving. The more I think about it, the more I get pissed. We need to alert all our family and friends and show them just who we are dealing with. Obama is a socialist pig and so are the democrats in Washington.

Neither I, nor any of my family will do any "mandatory" service. Every one of you socialist pigs are an enemy to the U.S Constitution. We will not bow down to you!

[edit on 25-3-2009 by TruthSeeker8300]

This is un-nerving. The more I think about it, the more I get pissed.

That's why since a couple of weeks I'm drunk all the time and I sleep all the time. I'm tired of thinking about where all this is leading us. I can't even sleep sometimes.

We need to alert all our family and friends and show them just who we are dealing with. Obama is a socialist pig and so are the democrats in Washington.

Yep. I'm continuing spreading the message. The republicans also are scum... the vote in the house and senate were also heavily voted by republicans. Even Kucinich voted for this bill... he probably didn't understand it.

Neither I, nor any of my family will do any "mandatory" service. Every one of you socialist pigs are an enemy to the U.S Constitution. We will not bow down to you!

Yep. Liberty or death.

Very worrying and very concerning.

They want to take away every single right that you have in the USA even your basic human rights.

So when you all stand, turn and say 'NO', hopefully in one united voice, what are they going to do about that.

There are only so many people they can kill and you know what they say about a guerilla war......it is unwinable by a conventional army.

If the Elite want to go down this path they may well be signing their own death warrants simply for the one unavoidable fact........When a man has nothing else to lose.......he has nothing to lose ..........

If this is indeed a dastardly plan of the Elite, they have doomed themselves and the End Game might just not be what they expected!!

Didn't read past the 1st page, sorry.

Think about the coming Depression, this Bill is the perfect tool for the time. It will allow the Government to dictate what you do, where you do it and for how long.

It seems to me this Bill is about implacing soon what will be needed 12 to 24 months down the track. So perhaps it indicates a timeframe for your own action over this interim period. It's been said many times already, but it bears repeating.....

Dig in folks, tough times ahead.

Originally posted by mattifikation
And of course, thanks to Bush's anti-"terrorist" laws, the ability to organize any real force-bearing opposition is gone. All that's left is for Obama to drive ammunition up to 10 dollars a bullet, and we have no force to bear anyways. And that's what America voted for.

Remember when things really do get that bad:

A cord and a knife are very effective weapons for assassination. They are also much quieter than a firearm, esp. in the case of rope or cord.

Power cords are readily available in most urban environments, and a knife to the kidney, properly applied to the neck, or through the spinal column are quite good.

www.scribd.com...

Pay attention to Chapter 7.

[Edited to repair link.]

[edit on 25-3-2009 by Symbiote]

THis is my post from another thread www.abovetopsecret.com...

This bill is set for the Senate and will invade the living rooms of every citizen if it passes (Dem majority, it will pass) People need to wake up because they will pass this bill and walk it through the back door.

reply to post by timewalker


Great post. They are now calling the "camps" "campuses". Sounds so collegiate doesn't it?

There is a lot of text devoted to disaster preparedness and assistance as well as infrastructure improvement.

I have been reading through this thing for days and it is very clear what the intentions are in this bill. This verbiage targets at risk youth, low income youth, disadvantaged etc. under the guise of diverse backgrounds.


(3) YOUTH ENGAGEMENT ZONE PROGRAM- The term ‘youth engagement zone program’ means a service learning program in which members of an eligible partnership described in paragraph (4) collaborate to provide coordinated school-based or community-based service learning opportunities, to address a specific community challenge, for an increasing percentage of out-of-school youth and secondary school students served by local educational agencies where-- ‘(A) not less than 90 percent of the students participate in service-learning activities as part of the program; or ‘(B) service-learning is a mandatory part of the curriculum in all of the secondary schools served by the local educational agency.


There is even a little line regarding the Summer Work Program that includes in specific words, youth in foster care.


SEC. 1504. SUMMER NATIONAL SERVICE PROGRAM. Section 154 (42 U.S.C. 12614) is amended-- (1) in subsection (a)-- (A) by striking ‘Civilian Community Corps Demonstration Program’ and inserting ‘National Civilian Community Corps Program’; and (B) by striking ‘on Civilian Community Corps’ and inserting ‘on National Civilian Community Corps’; and (2) in subsection (b), by striking ‘shall be’ and all that follows through the period at the end and inserting ‘shall be from economically and ethnically diverse backgrounds, including youth who are in foster care.’.


What are they preparing for?? Disaster preparedness and first aid training is mentioned again. I don't want my kids working infrastructure programs. If this is the plan for the youth, what is the plan for the rest of us.

Once Again, the term disadvantaged youth is expressly mentioned towards the end of this section.


SEC. 1506. TRAINING. Section 156 (42 U.S.C. 12616) is amended-- (1) in subsection (a)-- (A) by inserting ‘National’ before ‘Civilian Community Corps’; and (B) by adding at the end the following:

‘The Director shall ensure that to the extent practicable, each member of the Corps is trained in CPR, first aid, and other skills related to disaster preparedness and response.’;

(2) in subsection (b)(1), by inserting before the period at the end the following: ‘, including a focus on energy conservation, environmental stewardship or conservation, infrastructure improvement, urban and rural development, or disaster preparedness needs’; and (3) by amending subsection (c)(2) to read as follows: ‘
(2) COORDINATION WITH OTHER ENTITIES- Members of the cadre may provide, either directly or through grants, contracts, or cooperative agreements, the advanced service training referred to in subsection (b)(1) in coordination with vocational or technical schools, other employment and training providers, existing youth service programs, other qualified individuals, or organizations with expertise in training youth, including disadvantaged youth, in the skill areas described in such subsection.’.


This Bill is disturbing indeed.

Those of you who are young enough, may remember the incredibly popular anti-war movement against the Viet Nam "war".

This will never happen again. Do you see why?

Had this resolution been passed then, all those who engaged in peaceful protest against the war would have been too busy 'serving'.

Something is wrong with this idea. I won't say it's not Constitutional, but I will say, it's not right.

The means does NOT justify the ends.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
From what I've seen, this is not mandatory, and would only benefit various communities.

Looks like a very good thing.

I wish we had a similar thing in the UK, but I also wish for mandatory service for delinquent youths.

Examples:

Caught vandalizing property - Moved to another location for three months to repair similar damage.
Caught spraying graffiti - Moved to another community for one month to remove similar.
Arrested for assault - Moved to another community for one year to work in an Emergency Room cleaning up blood.

Kids and the consistently unemployed (through laziness) have life far too easy, and it shows in their attitudes. It's time they gave back to the community they leech off of, and introducing ways to enforce their responsibilities can only be a good thing.

I agree totally... there are certain facts of society, in all (western at least) countries, who serve NO PURPOSE to society and in fact make things worse. These are the people who should be left with no choice but to serve their communities.

It is not Big Brother, it's Government FINALLY standing up for the rights of law abiding citizens who deserve not to be harrassed, intimitaed or at risk of further victimisation by thugs and people who don't wish to work or better themselves in any way. Also, it will instill a sense of discipline into a generation that simply does not know the meaning of the word.

I wish the UK had a scheme like this, too!!!