Mexican's sneeking back into Mexico - Wow, I love it ~!

Originally posted by TrueBrit
reply to post by whitewave

 

As it happens Britain already has a higher percentage of immigrants in its population than the US ... well except that everyone in the US who isnt a native american is an immigrant anyway ...
But yeah, we have much bigger problems from immigration than your nation does. We just dont give a stuff, because we are busy living our lives , and slapping the British National Party members (read British Nazi Party ) when they come knocking on the door campaigning for British Jobs for British Workers.

[edit on 25-3-2009 by TrueBrit]

TrueIgnorance is your new name, where it proudly my friend. You should give a "stuff" as your country is slowly losing it's culture and sovereignty, do you care that there are muslims in your country actively trying to push legislation to make Britain an Islamic state to be ruled under sharia law, I know it's absurd and won't happen but you people are headed down a dangerous road because of the passive masses such as yourself, you are not a British person, those British "nazi" party members which you dehumanize yourself are only trying to be British and take care of British interests, they are British and you are not. Liberals will be the death of all free loving people all over this world not just the U.S.

reply to post by jfj123

Um look to the left of any of my post and underneath my name is says were I live.
in case you lazy, its Dallas, Tx.

reply to post by Sheeper


Let me make this clear. I am not ignorant of the facts you state. I am confident that no matter what ails this nation, it will remain this nation, and not a different one however.
Further more, I would rather stand and die a socialist liberal, than die a conformist nazi punk with nothing but intolerance and hatred in my soul. In a world where shades of grey are murder, I stand a monochrome bastion of black and white simplicity. I will continue to rile against those who cannot show decency and kindness to thier fellow man, no matter where they are from. Nor shall I allow by inaction the endangerment of my fellow man (as long as he upholds those same values and is therefore a brother of mine , a fellow sentinel of morality, no matter his faith or race). I will not under any circumstance allow my grandfathers to have fought , killed , and lost friends for no net result. Believe me , Im no pacifist. I'll go to war against any fascist you like, but theres no one else worth fighting than bigots, nazis, and the like. Someone needs a place to have a cuppa without threat of being shot, well damnit Im not going to deny them that either. Its called being a good person.

reply to post by whitewave


Hes actualy a really top bloke near as I can tell, spends alot of time with his kid, takes notice of and enjoys the random nature of the weather, seems therefore to have his priorities straight !

reply to post by whitewave



I truely hope that you dont assume that all gangs are compramised of illegals. I hope you use your common sense to know that many are citizens. And trust me there are plenty of citizens in ER because they cant afford health care. Im not for illegal immigration but im not gonna say all illegal immigration is bad. I would love to take all of those you send my way towards my side of the pond. Ill put them to work to make my side alot better. I need all the help i can get. I dont understand why people keep saying all illegal immigrants are corrupted people. You have no idea.

reply to post by Sheeper


Whatever happen to taking care of Humans and Human interest?

reply to post by mike dangerously


Until I leave I'll just hang out in the $30 million dollar a week casino...ask them if that is okay would ya?

I think that ALL illegal immigrants should ALL be sent back to their points of origin. Mexico is an easy target as they are pretty close, and the Mexican nationals that are here illegally are the most visible. There is a pretty large Asian community that is here in the US illegally, but they do not cover the map entirely as the Mexican nationals do. This has to do with the method of entry, I believe.

Now for all of you who state that "America was founded by immigrants"...or something similar. Shut up! That is an ignorant viewpoint, and you know it!

I was born in the US...to a naturalized citizen. My father was naturalized in the early 50's. My mother mother...my grandmother, was naturalized in the mid 20's. My mothers father...my grandfather, was naturalized in the late teens. That whole "built by immigrants" point does not fit as the argument is about ILLEGAL immigrants.

OP-I do find the irony in the state of Sonoita being upset that the balance is being upset negatively by their own people returning and trying to utilize the economy, which is exactly what they did to us. Point being, that these people that are returning to Mexico were illegal immigrants here, leeching off of the communities they were squatting in, and are returning home when the gravy dries up.

Why not go through the Proper Naturalization Process? They had to know that they were illegally entering when they entered. If life is so much more fruitful here in the US, naturalize. The problem is that when you cut off the non-taxed cashflow...make it difficult to get free food/services...make it difficult for housing...etc., these folks return to the situations they left initially instead of going through the admittedly difficult process of becoming a citizen. Shameful...

Originally posted by CrashGecko
Do you know what their penelty is if you are illegal for three days and did not do anything to become legal. Their immigration law is to kill if you are illegal.

LOL !!! I don't know where you get your info from, honestly! So they kill illegals after 3 days? Oh my, the savages!

Yeah you're right. They kill you on top of a pyramid, take you still bleeding heart out and eat it. Then they make some flesh tamales and they have some with tequila and a nice ice-cold Corona.

McCain pledges amnesty to 50,000 illegal irish immigrants

So.....I'm guessing that there is no discrimination right? And I bet this is the case with illegals from other countries other than Mexico, Central, and South America.

I would like the OP to write the source of the thread's title. I haven't read anything in any news source on this.

I have a question for all of you. In your eyes, is a citizen different from someone who is only a legal resident without plans of becoming a citizen?


[edit on 3/26/2009 by haika]

This reminds me of an Onion article from 2006:

Illegal Immigrants Returning to Mexico for American Jobs
www.theonion.com...

Originally posted by TrueBrit
reply to post by jfj123

 

Well if you have things worth stealing then you have good locks on your door. I know this because Im a locksmith. In general, if you have nice crap, you have to have good locks to insuret that crap.

But as you know, no lock is good enough. One of the things I do is open up abandoned, locked housed for real estate companies when keys are not available and no matter what lock is used, I can open the door in just a few minutes. I'm sure as a locksmith, you could do it even faster.
My point is, just because nobody can live in fort knox, it doesn't mean they deserve to have the house broken into.
So just because the US doesn't monitor every inch of our borders, doesn't mean it's ok for people to ILLEGALLY cross them.

And where actual breaking and entering is concerned, there are some important differences between busting into someones house to steal and then sell thier possesions, and breaking a border law because you cannot stand living in what amounts to third world conditions,

Some people steel because they don't want to live in the conditions they're living in now

where you may well end up dead because you crossed the street in the wrong place, where you may end up being killed by the police force so they can cover up a cartel activity by planting evidence on your still warm corpse...

That's not my fault and I can't be responsible for every bad thing that happens in the world. If we let everyone in this country that wanted to be elsewhere because where they lived, SUCKED, this country would suck because there would be massive poverty and 3rd world conditions. The US cannot support the world.
I pay taxes.... a lot of taxes, to support my portion of the US and I simply cannot afford to pay for someone else's taxes.

What Im saying is that things ARE black and white and in this case its simple:

If you dont want illegal immigration , then you retighten the border, and rehab (or in extreme cases shoot) all the coke and heroin addicts.

This is indeed happening but even if we didn't, it doesn't make it ok for people to illegally enter the US. If you accidentally left your door unlocked, does that mean it's ok for me to walk into your house?

Right now, not tomorrow , not over the next four years, but NOW. You arrest EVERY employer or company boss that has EVER employed an illegal immigrant

As the title of this thread shows, this is starting to happen. Michigan, where I live, has changed a number of laws so there are much harsher penalties for employers and illegals themselves.

Lastly , you make provision to allow people to come from Mexico to america under asylum without a lengthy court and law process.

Although I agree the process is a bit cumbersome and think we should shorten it, I also think we should limit the number of immigrants per year like many other countries and also require that they can support themselves just like mexico does with their immigration policy.

What you cant do in good faith is lock an innocent person in a loony bin , which is what it would be to be a sane person in Juarez right now. I heard there were something like 7,000 drug related murders in one year, and lord knows how many gun battles. Its inhumane to leave an innocent person in that situation, so how anyone can suggest that good people should be FORCED to stay there, and not be allowed to make a wage, live a life, and learn freedom is beyond me.

Maybe that's why the US military is currently in mexico, helping the mexican military battle the cartels.

Again, it sucks that people are stuck in that situation but there are people in that situation all over the world.
There are people in the US who have to live on crack streets.
There are people living in deserts that are either starving or dehydrating to death.
We can't bring the whole planet to the US.

Below is a portion of an article that shows how illegal immigrants cost the US taxpayer money and may hurt our economic rebound.

Tens of thousands of jobs created by the economic stimulus law could end up filled by illegal immigrants, particularly in big states such as California where undocumented workers are heavily represented in construction, experts on both sides of the issue say.

Studies by two conservative think tanks estimate immigrants in the United States illegally could take 300,000 construction jobs, or 15% of the 2 million jobs that new taxpayer-financed projects are predicted to create.

Now here's another portion of the article that helps support the OP's position

But Jorge-Mario Cabrera, director of education for the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles, said it is impossible to predict with certainty because it is unknown how many jobless immigrant construction workers may leave the U.S., frustrated by the economic recession, before the new spending produces jobs.

Awww what a shame that the recession is hurting the criminals

www.usatoday.com...

* An estimated 11 million to 12 million undocumented immigrants live and work in the United States, roughly one in every 20 workers, according to a study by the Pew Hispanic Center based on government figures.

* Some 880,000 people were arrested crossing the U.S.-Mexico border illegally in 2007, most of them from Mexico and Central America, down from 1.1 million a year earlier.

* The U.S. government had built 284 miles of fencing along the 2,000 mile (3,200-km) U.S.-Mexico border by the close of 2007, and aims to have constructed roughly 670 miles by the end of 2008.

www.reuters.com...

[edit on 26-3-2009 by jfj123]

reply to post by jfj123


Well I can understand your candour as a tax payer. In my country , we have some real problems with the influx of refugees and hate preachers and whatnot comming here , and not even bothering to get work!
Of course thats wrong, but many of those people had to go through several countries in order to reach here , which must be a terrifying prospect for a person who only speaks thier native language. And almost as an echo of things in your country, the UK has recorded that many of the Polish workforce who came here due to better rates of pay, and job oppertunities, are now high tailing back to poland because the collapse has ruined our job markets . But again I say, the borders of my nation, on all sides are monitored heavily, the only illegal access being in the backs of trucks comming over the channel from France. Your nation has an entire land area to police, which they have had the captial to finance and run for the last (name yer figure) years, and have not bothered! If your government cared about border control it would issue kill on sight orders to prevent crossing, and put all those guys who are out in Afganistan, back on the borders, where they can REALLY defend thier nation from an immediate threat.

Originally posted by TrueBrit
reply to post by jfj123

 

Well I can understand your candour as a tax payer. In my country , we have some real problems with the influx of refugees and hate preachers and whatnot comming here , and not even bothering to get work!
Of course thats wrong, but many of those people had to go through several countries in order to reach here , which must be a terrifying prospect for a person who only speaks thier native language. And almost as an echo of things in your country, the UK has recorded that many of the Polish workforce who came here due to better rates of pay, and job oppertunities, are now high tailing back to poland because the collapse has ruined our job markets . But again I say, the borders of my nation, on all sides are monitored heavily, the only illegal access being in the backs of trucks comming over the channel from France. Your nation has an entire land area to police, which they have had the captial to finance and run for the last (name yer figure) years, and have not bothered! If your government cared about border control it would issue kill on sight orders to prevent crossing, and put all those guys who are out in Afganistan, back on the borders, where they can REALLY defend thier nation from an immediate threat.

Part of the problem is that we had an idiot for president for the last 8 years who not only embraced illegals but actually said the following:
"they do jobs that Americans WON'T do". Which is both stupid and wrong. I've done just about every vile disgusting job that anyone could do and seen other Americans do the same. I've never seen a job that an American wouldn't do and for a reasonable wage.

Originally posted by jfj123

Part of the problem is that we had an idiot for president for the last 8 years who not only embraced illegals but actually said the following:
"they do jobs that Americans WON'T do". Which is both stupid and wrong. I've done just about every vile disgusting job that anyone could do and seen other Americans do the same. I've never seen a job that an American wouldn't do and for a reasonable wage.

you see that's where the problem is - you'd do any 'nasty' job for a reasonable wage, but your definition of reasonable is way more than that of the illegal immigrant Mexican, who will gladly do the same 'nasty' job for a quarter of the wage, without health and safety issues, or insurance, or pension, etc, etc. An employer could get 4 or 5 illegal imigrant mexicans doing the job of one US citizen, and they'd work harder too, as every dollar they earn means more to them.

That's how I see it.


Good job all the illegals are leaving, maybe some of the lazy US citizens will get of their arses and do a decent days work for once

they'll have to soon. they should enforce a lower the minimum wage, and get more locals back into work, and get rid of benefits for people scrounging of the state, who can work, but don't.
(oops, sorry, that last bit is what they should do in the UK - meh, applies equally to US)

[edit on 26-3-2009 by Crastney]

Originally posted by Crastney

Originally posted by jfj123

Part of the problem is that we had an idiot for president for the last 8 years who not only embraced illegals but actually said the following:
"they do jobs that Americans WON'T do". Which is both stupid and wrong. I've done just about every vile disgusting job that anyone could do and seen other Americans do the same. I've never seen a job that an American wouldn't do and for a reasonable wage.

you see that's where the problem is - you'd do any 'nasty' job for a reasonable wage, but your definition of reasonable is way more than that of the illegal immigrant Mexican, who will gladly do the same 'nasty' job for a quarter of the wage, without health and safety issues, or insurance, or pension, etc, etc.
An employer could get 4 or 5 illegal imigrant mexicans doing the job of one US citizen, and they'd work harder too, as every dollar they earn means more to them.

That's how I see it.

The problem is:
It's illegal to pay someone less then minimum wage.
It's illegal to pay them in cash to avoid paying taxes.
It's illegal to hire them under the table to avoid paying insurance.
It's illegal to hire illegal immigrants.

Good job all the illegals are leaving, maybe some of the lazy US citizens will get of their arses and do a decent days work for once

What an ignorant statement. You make a blanket statement that all US citizens are lazy which is completely untrue. I only hire legal US citizens and 9 times out of 10, I get employee's that work their butts off. You need to educate yourself with regards to what you speak about.

Another thing people are failing to realize is that the use of illegals does NOT decrease the price to the consumer. It maximizes the profits for the owner.

[edit on 26-3-2009 by jfj123]

it's a good thing that mexicans are returning to mexico and said F this country is a Piece of S anyway maybe we will really work on improving our country now. mexicans here might now have anything but at least they don't owe anybody their brand new house or car like americans do and now they are desperate because they cant make their payments and what they do the only thing that americans and good for, to give up and kill themselves because they were never taught to be prepared for a crisis and now they owe thousands of dollars for a disposable house and a #ty chevy car that will most likely brake down and the house will be picked up by and tornado or destroyed by next hurricane season. oh, and they also still owe student loans which helped them get an education but not a job. how messed up is that. good luck surviving this economical crisis. why the hell did you go to school and paid that much money, so you can pay more money because no you have to a rip off of a house and car, then pay for your health insurance, house insurance i hate insurance sorry i went to a different topic now. i don't hate american people i don't hate mexican people, chinese or japanese, i just hate how manipulated this country is and that the citizens don't realize that we are just all humans and average. that must of us don't have any power or political power and yet those that do run us like how the # they want and make racist out everybody because that's what they were taught. how can you like this country so much when is the country that steals and kills your children the one that sends your kids to war and kills them for a conflict they didn't start. the country that doesn't give you free health care and you did or a family member dies when the doctor could have save your loved one but your government doesn't want to give you free health care how can you love the country that provides rips you off with high electricity bills that charges you taxes for every little thing they can think of. ok if you do love this country so much after all that they try to change your country first and let the mexicans fix their country maybe americans should set up an example first.

I think it's disgusting that people here would laugh at the situation and the people in this situation. These people left Mexico because their lives were of a quality that a human being shouldn't have to deal with. They come here because it can be a better life for them. They just want to survive and live a better quality life. It really isn't their fault that their country isn't fit to live in. Blame countries like us for the imbalance on this planet. It isn't funny that many of these HUMAN BEINGS are going to die from starvation, and possibly watch their families die of starvation. Nothing wrong with thinking its only fair that they have to go back to their own country, but laughing about it is pretty inhumane.

That being said, i think it is only fair to the people of our country that they have to leave IF they are here illegally. They feed off of our country. Parasites, just like someone said in an earlier post. They take jobs away from people that are themselves starving here in our own country. They take housing away from people that are themselves homeless here in our own country. They come here unwilling to learn OUR language, and bitch and complain when they can't talk to someone that knows spanish. This is just wrong... if you can't come here and feel lucky enough to even be here, without bitching and complaining that we don't know another country's language, then you shouldn't be here. If you are here illegally, you shouldn't be here.

If you can take the time to learn our language, and obtain some legal papers in order to work and live here, then i welcome you. Some of my best friends have been mexicans. My best friend is mexican. Coming here and trying to convert people to spanish and knowingly taking jobs and housing away from born citizens when you are illegal is just wrong.

Mexicans are dealing with an oligarchy of elite in their country. Keep in mind this scenario the next time you feel apathetic about your (or anyone else's) civil rights being infringed upon, otherwise we could be looking like Mexico politically. The poor, uneducated "peasant" farmers of Sonora or whatever state there can do very little to counter government corruption or drug cartels vying for power...either way they'd probably get one to the head...and their whole family. We DO NOT help the issue by sending them factory jobs and importing their super cheap agricultural products.

If you were to pay a Mexican a decent wage to grow your tomatoes and
make your shoes, they probably wouldn't want to come here to work at La Quinta Inn as a maid or clean the urinals at McDonalds for "our" minimum (read as: substandard) wage.

"Oh, but we don't control how Mexican wages are set." you might say.

However, we do: by electing politicians who conduct unfair trade deals and by continuing to buy these cheaply grown and manufactured products at Walmart et al. You want it to stop? Pay Americans decent wages for farming, manual labor, and other "undesirable" jobs. Just because you're an American doesn't mean you are special or somehow entitled to go to college and be a "businessman"...we can't all be businessmen, now can we? Then the urinals would never get cleaned and the cars would never get repaired. There is nothing dirty or profane about cleaning things, digging ditches, or fixing mechanical things...in the US we just make it "dirty" by how we label the class of people who do that job (and how we pay them).

ANECDOTE: In college, the lady who cleaned our dorm's bathroom was an ex-CPA from Sinaloa, Mexico. Some of the other ignorant freshman made remarks about her and gave her Spickified pet names like Mariposa. I bothered to humanize her and actually treat her like an equal. We talked daily (gave me a chance to practice my Spanish) and I found out her family had hit rough times and she lost her job. Now, instead of being a CPA in her hometown, she cleans up piss off the floor from spoiled brat college kids who can't pee straight because they're intoxicated off cheap booze bought with mom and dad's college allowance (aka, co-signed student loans).

Does a janitor deserve the same pay as a doctor? Probably not...reasonable enough. But is intellect somehow more valuable than commitment, physical prowess, or duty to a job you know how to do effectively? We somehow try to live a double standard where those jobs are totally devalued and nobody wants to do them, yet they need to be done and are integral even if you think they are below you. (Would you rather sit on a toilet seat at a gas station that does not have a janitor or at a La Quinta where a maid has dutifully cleaned???)

In short: want to eliminate the illegal immigration problem? ...then stop creating a double standard for classes of people: pay American's decent wages for necessary jobs; buy products only made by those with decent wages and rights.

Otherwise you are creating the very system you bitch about. (**put up or shut up** would be the key phrase here!)

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by Ponyboy_86
reply to post by CrashGecko

 

for all you people who dont understand this, this is a system set up to work like this. the u.s.a. uses these "illegal" ppl to build everything cheap.

This is false. Private companies use illegals to maximize their profits. The price of the item to the consumer does not drop because of cheap labor.

to do everything cheap, its not their fault.

Of course it's their fault. They entered the country illegally.

and then if u wanna start talking, the u.s. came in killed off all the indians, took mexicos and everyones land. u.s.a.

From my understanding, nobody alive today is responsible for anything you just mentioned. If you can find someone still alive, maybe we can sue them or something

hopefully the bully will eventually get his ass beat.

Yes then we won't be able to pump billions of dollars into other countries economies to help them. Good thought.

most of "americans" dont even know where they come from. uhh some irish and british and spanish. u a mutt man. u a mutt so stop talking sh!.

And I suppose you can back this statement up with a source??? Of course you can't because it's a completely baseless, racist anti-American rant.

You wanna break it down? ok, lets go:

1. Ok, i never said that the price of the stuff is cheaper, i said to make things cheaper, cheaper labor, they use them for cheaper labor, by usa i meant everyone, from ghetto redneck reconstruction company thats not even on papers to giant companies and corporations, everyone uses illegals for cheap labor

2. Its not their fault that they are trying to survive in this world filled with f'd up rules. its as much america's fault for letting them work here. so really the crime happens by the person who's hiring the mexican, not the mexican. he's just there cuz he needs money and there's a job. if ppl wouldnt hire illegals, illegals wouldnt come

3. I never said anyone alive is responsible for that, however u inherit that history, and from that, you should know that your ancestors came here illegally and killed off all the legal citizens.

4. america does not help anyone, they only let those countries borrow money to overtake the country when they cannot pay off wild interest rates on the debt. america is about to send the whole world's financial system to hell with all the currency they been printin out of thin air. america dont help noone financially, plus usa owes billions to china. u dont have nothing man.

5. hold up, we need a source? oh my fault i dont have a source on that one, you got me. let me rephrase the truth. Americans are all from america. they've been living in america for 1000's of years empire old as china. all americans are pure bred and no mix in. na a pure americans. from america. haha u trip me out dude. do i really need a source to confirm that all americans came less than 400 yrs ago on a freakin boat from europe or somewhere wtf where else?

[edit on 26-3-2009 by Ponyboy_86]