Originally posted by Revealation
Originally posted by kozmo
No, really, I mean it. There should be laws that prevent the ignorant from voting.
I agree. anyone that votes and thinks that it actually counts or means anything is ignorant. This government will have who they want in office when
they want/need them there.
Everyone's votes are just to appease the masses to make them feel as if they have any say or contribution to what actually goes on in life.
Voters, Now that's ignorant and clueless.
Also everyone, take note, who do you think makes the actual copies of legitimate documents? I don't think it's too hard for them to pull off a
[edit on 16/3/2009 by Revealation]
In fact it will be extremely hard for them to pull off a fraud for some very important reasons. That is why they chose to post the first Mickey Mouse
copy of his Birth Certificate to hide what would have been very glaring discrepancies examining the actual document with the naked eye, and this
forgery was just one of a standardized official copy spit out of a State Computer.
Finding someone who can lay one out on paper like the original 1960 document is fairly easy.
Finding the actual specialized paper that the original document would have used identical to what they used in 1960 is going to be near impossible.
One of the ways important documents are originally made to look important and also hard to forge is the paper the document is printed on is
manufactured solely for the specific document to be printed. The paper would have only been available to the State Government you or I could have not
bought it at a stationary store or been able to obtain it from the company that had actually milled, watermarked and sized the paper for the
Government. States usually revise forms every few years as well and switch the paper being used and make differences in the layout of the information
on the form and often the size and watermarks in the form. There of course will be plenty of authentic copies of other Hawaiian Birth Certificates
from the same time period to compare the papers weight, watermarking, cut and average discoloration brought on by the paper itself aging. So even if
you had access to a mill that could produce the same weight and quality of paper and duplicate the watermarks there is no way to duplicate the
discoloration brought on by aging paper without leaving tell tale signs of that process.
Additionally this original document was not typed in the computer age. It would have been typed on a type writer with a font that was designed
specifically for State Government use. The typewriter itself would have left tell tale indentations in the paper as well and the ink from the ribbon
would also have degraded some from age too. It wouldn't be an easy job at all tracking down one of the old typewriters that would have been used by
the government, chances are they were all destroyed as part of an accounting process of inventory within the specific office. Even if some lucky or
larcenous employee took one home the chances of it having a working ribbon in it from those days are very slim. The ink would have dried out on it by
now and using fresh ink even on a newly machined old fashioned typewriter that could create the indentations with the same level of force would leave
tell tale fresh ink as well.
The Seals themselves which would have been pressed in by hand have been redesigned many times over and hard to come by too. Not has hard to recreate
as the paper or the type but still a task.
The signatures would also have to match the employees authorized to sign such documents back in 1960 and the ink too would have to be consistent in
color and chemical composition and made to appear with the same age fading.
In short a very skilled person could make a much more authentic looking facsimile than the one already posted that was far easier to duplicate than
the actual vaulted original but once a trained document expert examined it with the naked eye it would be immediately dismissed as a forgery.
It could be done, it would take some time a minimum of three months a maximum of six. It would have to be done overseas. The paper mill burned to the
ground the owner and employees killed. The same with the machine shop to produce the type writer. Getting original examples to pattern and work it off
of would leave some trails too but doable but a couple more people will have to die. So too would the forger who took on the project and he or she
would know that.
What's the Presidency really worth to Barack? Let me know, maybe we can work it out?
In case you are wondering why he isn't showing it now you know.
It's why he wrote the passage into his book about holding his original copy in his hands on Tahiti thinking about his father.
I bet he sure was thinking about his father when he wrote that line.
If it goes down that he isn't a citizen I guarantee you it wasn't individual larceny that propelled him to try to usurp the office of the
It was the powers that be that wanted to put someone into the office of the President that they could bring down at a convenient time.
It's why Obama himself is refusing to do something so easy in showing an actual Birth Certificate to a legitimate Government Agency with access to
qualified forensic experts who can officially validate it beyond reproach. It's why every court is dismissing it in ways that leave the door open to
more cases being brought.
When they are ready to collapse the banks they will collapse Obama a day or two before. With constitutional scholars debating whether Biden would be
eligible because he was elected on an ineligible ticket and accusations flying that house leaders like Pelosi and Reid as well as Secretary of State
Clinton surely had to know and played a part or lent a blind eye to the deception for political gain the line of succession could be hotly contested
to increase out the length of the Marshall Law period.
Wouldn't that be fun.