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Originally posted by TheAmused
Watch this thread closely...
You will see people with 35 ats point ect... posting..
It's the same obama follower's that flooded the site during the election.
They try to How do i say this ...flood obama topic's that may hurt there cause.
So watch closely they are obama supporter's..here with the intent to flame and degrade the post's till it seems pointless.
They will use the same tired race and bait and switch to change the fact ..He might not be legal.
So Be Warned
Originally posted by manmaidslave
Please stop the "birthcertificate" bashing of Obama. What would you have us do, if you found out he was from Kenya. Then what? put in Mcain/Palin? Oh yeah, that would be much better. pffftt. He is the President as voted in the electoral college and even got 60% of the popular vote, Bush can't say he got the majority of the popular vote even. I don't know how the whole President election thingy goes, but i'm pretty dang sure at some point between saying "I wanna run for President" and taking the oath of office, he had to show proof of citizenship. It is such a cheap and easy shot to say "prove to me your born in the USA" And when he shows evidence of where he is born, will you be satisfied with that or will you rant "He fooled us again, it was a fake".
1. The moment he decided to run for President wouldn't there be a party of people responsible for checking is eligibility
2. If he managed to pay those people off wouldn't the Clinton's at least attempt to go after him for this
3. Since the Clinton's are of the same Party(Democrats) and might have some sort of conspiracy to make Obama president as they believe he has the better chance to beat McCain. Wouldn't McCain's team look into this. I mean the President at that time was Republican and he has the power to investigate this
4. So now if nobody challenged the fact that he was not born in America then that would lead to some sort of conspiracy and both the Republican and Democrats are in on it.
5. If that's the case, what are we arguing about. If he leaves won't they replace him with another one of their own?
I remember reading an article where it was proven that he was born in Hawaii because Obama’s Birth announcement in Hawaii newspaper was taken from library microfilm. In that article it show's that the Hospital list the record of all their birth in the newspaper and Obama was listed.
The website Visa Law states:
"When one parent was a US citizen and the other a
foreign national, the US citizen parent must have resided
in the US for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the
child, with five of the years after the age of 14. An
exception for people serving in the military was created
by considering time spent outside the US on military
duty as time spent in the US."
From our two definitions we can see that as long as Barack Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, resided in the U.S. for 10 years she qualified as a natural born citizen. Mrs. Dunham would have been the tender age of 8, ten years prior to her child's birth.
When Ann Dunham moved Barack Obama to Jakarta, Indonesia to live with Lolo Soetoro he would have been six years old(Mrs. Dunham would have been 24). This would mean that Ann also met the requirement that she must be in the US for five years after the age of 14.
Originally posted by Mercenary2007
NO. A person running for president does not have to prove his eligibility before he is elected president.
the only party on the president/ vice president ticket that has to prove they are eligible is the vice presidential candidate. That way if anyone raises the question about the presidential candidates eligibility after they are elected and the president has been found to be ineligible the Vice president can take the office of president.
And ruin any chance Hilary had to get elected? your kidding right? IF the Clinton's breathed a word about the Possibility that Obama wasn't a natural born citizen as popular as he was the backlash against Hilary even if true would have cost the Dems the election.
And who had a majority in both houses of congress? Most of the Republicans didn't like McCain
so do you honestly think he was going to do anything that could cost him votes. lets face it the republicans knew they had little to no chance of winning the election after 8 years of Bush. the Dems could have nominated a monkey and it would have won against McCain. Also McCain had people questioning his own eligibility to be president. Even though he was born to 2 american citizens abroad on sovereign U.S. territory.
Makes you wonder why either side didn't question Obama's eligibility If he's not the elites new puppet..
Sorry but that's not proof at all. Obama didn't even have to be in Hawaii for his parents/grandparents to place that announcement.
Short forms, known sometimes as computer certifications, are not universally available, but are cheaper than photocopies and much more easily accessible. Limited information is taken from the original birth record (the long form) and stored in a database that can be accessed quickly when birth certificates are needed in a short amount of time. Whereas the long form is a copy of the actual birth certificate, a short form is a document that certifies the existence of such certificate, and is usually titled a "Certification of Birth" or "Certificate of Live Birth". The short form typically includes the child's name, date of birth, sex, and place of birth, although some also include the names of the child's parents. When the certification does include the names of the parents, it can be used in lieu of a long form birth certificate in almost all circumstances. source
Also there is no date for when that announcement
uld have been days or weeks after he was born for all we know.
sorry there is one little flaw in your theory. you missed the part of the law where she had to live in the U.S. for 5 years after the age of 14 for her to transfer her citizenship to her son when he was born. that means Obama would have to have been born after she turned 19. he was born while she was 18 so I guess that just killed your theory.
you also forget the fact that his mother became an Indonesian citizen when she moved to Indonesia with Lolo and her son. Which would make your Argument of Jus Sanguinis mean that since she became a citizen of Indonesia then so did he since citizen follows the custodial parent. You also forget the fact that Lolo acknowledged Obama as his son which under Indonesian Law made him a citizen of Indonesia. If he wasn't a citizen of Indonesia he wouldn't have been able to go to school.
(1) A foreign child of less than 5 years age who is adopted by a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, if such an adoption is declared legal by the Pengadilan Negeri at the residence of the person adopting the child.
(1) Aliens born and domiciled in the territory of the Republic of Indonesia whose father or mother, in case they have no legal family relationship with the father, is also born in the territory of the Republic in Indonesia and is a resident of the Republic of Indonesia, may present a petition to the Minister of Justice in order to acquire the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia if they, after having acquired the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, have no other nationality or at the time that they present a petition they also make a statement as to having released another nationality which they may possibly possess, in accordance with the legal provisions prevailing in the country of their origin or according to the provisions of the Agreement on the settlement of the bi-nationality between the Republic of Indonesia and the country in question.
(1) A foreign woman married to a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia, acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, if and when she makes a statement as to that effect within 1 year after contracting said marriage, except in case when she acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia she possesses still another nationality, in which case the statement may not be made.
bottom line is IF Obama has nothing to hide he would have unsealed his vault copy of his birth certificate.
Not post a fraudulent copy
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Do you have proof he was born Kenya!?
Originally posted by godless
I thought a copy of his birth certificate was on Obama's website. I think this is just a lot of wishful thinking on the part of the anti-Obama crowd.
Originally posted by godless
Oh, and re: the mention of John McCain. Johnny was born at a Naval Air Station in the Panama in 1936. .
Originally posted by PowerSlave
Based on Mccain's birth place, he technically would not be legally allowed to be president.
But itd be common sense for the well established washingtonian rivals to nevertheless look into the eligibility of that individual for any hope of getting ahead.
Lets see here.... the Bush administration, the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, the republican party, the Hillary campagin, the McCain campaign, the DNC, the Hawaii republican state government and the Hawaiian health officials. Why dont you go ahead an ask them as to why they agree that Obama was born on US soil. The rightwing fringe aint enough to convince anybody there is a real issue, especially if they continue to reference WND.
No thats where you are wrong. This BC conspiracy has been up and running since late 2007, the notion the Hillary campaign found out something and left it and just went through that whole desperate fiasco in the last months is well.... either stupid or playing the fool merc...
And yet they voted him in. Most conservatives and republicans dont like Bush now..... and yet they voted him in twice. The folks on the right cant make up their minds.
What your doing here is basically saying that both the McCain and Hillary campaigns didnt want to release this at the expense of their own campaigns. That is far from true in that scenario, infact there was a bitter divide and both rival campaigns were desperate. They didnt hold out on anything. The elections where Obama only got a mere 7% more proved how close things were.
That notion of both campaigns finding something and holding out is yet again playing the fool. We all know they would have jumped the gun.... but they didnt... because they didnt find anything.
This is the issue, you folks continue to change your story. Its when the notion of all the agencies and groups who agree he is eligible, then they are implicated in a conspiracy. The fact checkers who confirmed his eligibility are now also implicated in some conspiracy. While your at it why dont you implicate around 60 million americans in this "conspiracy" merce
He presented his short for birth certificate which was sufficient evidence:
In addition Obamas birth was announced in two papers in Hawaii, now dont you think the notion of Obamas mother going to kenya, having Obama there, and then coming back and having it announced in the papers well... just unreal? Come on now.
Obama was born on August 4th 1961. The newspaper was dated august 13 as seen above. It shows it was about 9 days following his birth and it actually says in the newspaper announcement that he was born on August the 4th. The other article and the officials involved in the articles can confirmed that it is real.
Originally posted by Seany
Here comes the opinion of a 35 pointer
Obama is or isn't the President , dont matter, it is just a figure head job anyway
Biden , or whoever will just do as he is told, like Obama
Originally posted by Mercenary2007
Hmm so your pretty much stating for a fact that you know with 100% certanty that they checked him out? tell me you have proof to back up your claim because if you don't then you know you just posted something you know is false. tell me your not knowingly posting something you know is false or can't back up with proof? Yeah thats what i thought If you had proof that they had checked him out you'd have a source.
Originally posted by Jim Scott
What? This is still an issue? For pete's sake, he was born of an American citizen. That makes him an American citizen. Read the law, instead of this thread and all the other ones like it.