Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Closer to what exactly? As far as I can see it the same reasons brought forward by berg and Keyes is now been reviewed and this case will be closed
due to lack of evidence and constitutional standing. Close to what?
I didn't know you were a Judge southern.
...and I doubt once he shuts down this case in the same way the other lawsuits you folks will be satisfied... heck nothing will satisfy the
fringe, they will hate regardless. This isnt about the birth certificate in the real sense..
I didn't know you spoke for Scalia Southern and yes it is ALL about the BC.
In the real sense? Gee southern, is their any other kind? Not to us their isn't and a COLB and a cleverly worded response by a clerk at the DOH means
nothing and would be no more official as if YOU told us.
Im flattered you mentioned me... really... but there are other members as well. .
You mean your friends? I was thinking about
mentioning BOTH of them but I thougth mentioning your Mom is not right without asking.
Bit unfair to give me all the attention.
Don't be so vain, I bet you think this thread is about you
The burden of proof constitutionally, by law and by evidence that he was born in Kenya lies on the fringe,
The challenge under whose authority is Obama to be President will lead to discovery and a deuces tecum will obligate him and the DOH to use what has
already been announced as proof prima facie to argue in defense of his case. He will have to use that vaulted BC because the colb is NOT proof prima
so unless you can proof that you have nothing to demand of the president... and you never will.
We do and is why scalia and roberts will hear it and if they don't, we will keep sueing untill we get them to listen. Until their is unconstitutional
to do so, we will do what Democrats failed to do and that is get the truth.
The Dept of Health in Hawaii never has given the answser for what it says on the Vaulted BC
Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on
record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
Yeah so? This was a simple question that was put to her as a yes or no question and went like this:
Does the document say he was born in Honnolulu Hawaii, yes or no?
If the COLB that fiCtion.borg had displayed as true their would have been no harm in asking a question Obama by his own COLB would have any reason to
deny the same info was on the vaulted BC since it is assumed by offering what YOU say is just as compelling and legally acceptable proof. But Obama
never said that colb was his did he? I mean when ever he is asked he just ignored that and any other question raised about this issue. It cannot
possibly be because he is tired of answering it because he has NEVER answered it in the first place and no one else has either. They all seem to
think the FBI or the CIA has but they say they have never checked it out so the only conspiracy here is by those who want to keep this proof from
seeing the light of day and as long as they do, we have every right to insist under whose authority does he act as president.
I think id rather believe the confirmation from the Hawaii state government, state health officials and the fact none of his opponents or the
prior administration found anything....
They didn't find anything because they didn't ask and ya know why they didn't ask? Was it because someone else must have? If so who? Who was it in
an official place to actually confirm they saw his vaulted BC?
McCain was investigated for this same reason and ya know what?
he had to show his but never asked Obama to do the same when even more suspicion for it was warranted yet no one in either party would listen to us.
It was as if they were one party, not two.
as oppose to a bunch of rightwingers who also think Obamas a muslim, the anti christ and gay.
No in fact I am none of those and have posted to defend Obama and have freinds that are as liberal as you.
Your many emails about the President, his lies and especially your assertions regarding his manipulating us into war, seem to have been confirmed.
Many others have also felt this way but few have been as compelling or as passionate an appeal for hearings as you have been. I have always been
impressed with your sense of Justice and your intelligence regarding issues facing our Nation so I kept you in mind to write you after I got this
Last night, significant news broke that directly impacts our push for Impeachment Hearings and a possible Inherent Contempt charge for Bush
Administration officials such as Karl Rove:
Former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan has revealed to us damaging testimony the whole world will come to know about in an upcoming book
he has written about issues regarding:
• Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, and Vice President Cheney lied about their role in revealing the identity of Valerie Plame Wilson – actions easily
amounting to obstruction of Justice.
McClellan also admitted that:
• There was a coordinated effort within the Bush Administration to use propaganda to pump up the case for the Iraq war and hide the projected costs
of the war from the public and Congress. I have a bad feeling about that as you know I think we are in for a shock when we see what the real costs
Scott McClellan will be called to testify under oath before the House Judiciary Committee to tell Congress and the American people everything he knows
about this massive effort by the White House to lie to us and deceive this nation into war and bankrupt our economy putting us further and further in
debt with China. This does not bode well when both China and the United States are negotiating on the price of oil. We are obligated by our debt to
take a back seat to China if they were to complicate things further. We have already seen how the Saudis ignore the President when he asked them to
lower the price of oil per barrel while China got the reduction they asked for.
The President's time in office is short but the after effects of his crimes in office in addition to those we have yet to discover will last long
after his eight years in office and beyond.
Last week, a subpoena was issued for Karl Rove to testify before the Judiciary Committee. It appears he will take every legal action to block this
subpoena. The truth is that Congress has the right – and obligation – to hold him accountable now - not months or years from now. It is long past
time to pass Inherent Contempt and bring Rove, Libby and others before Congress.
We simply cannot ignore these recent developments, nor should we postpone serious inquiry until after the next election. Kent I must ask your help in
getting as many emails and letters to me as possible including the best you can author. All of your letters and emails are read and appreciated but
this one has got to be hit out of the park and I am going to need all the help I can get. Your last email you said: "If it is important to me it
should be important to you". Well I am saying, what is important to you, IS important to me. Your commitment to accountability for the Bush/Cheney
Administration, in addition to the support of 230,000 other Americans who have inspired and motivated me in my effort to hold impeachment hearings for
Vice President Dick Cheney and Inherent Contempt for Rove and others. During the past months I have been a tireless and dogged advocate of this
vitally important cause.
Many others have written me, asking for an update on where we stand with regards to impeachment hearings. I know most of them believe - as you and I
do - that impeachment hearings for Vice President Cheney – are not only justified, but that it is our constitutional obligation to look into the
serious allegations of wrongdoing that have been raised from this administrations involvement in 911 where more and more incriminating evidence has
come fourth. This is especially true based on the newest revelations from Scott McClellan. We have had all our questions and subpoenas virtually
ignored, documents requested suddenly become classified information protected under national security.
This President has evaded us ducking questions we know he must have answers to and most likely has some questionable if not criminal involvment. I
believe just as you do that it is the duty of Congress to pursue impeachment whenever there's significant evidence of wrongdoing, be it by
Republicans or Democrats, regardless of the timing of elections or the current political environment. Like you, many others have written me demanding
that I deliver hearings for impeachment. As hard as I have been fighting for this cause, I cannot make impeachment happen by myself. What I can do,
and what I have been doing at every turn, is trying to communicate two simple messages to my colleagues:
• the serious allegations of wrongdoing and the clear-cut rationale for impeachment hearings;and
• the fact that the public will support our efforts when Congress boldly acts on the side of justice and accountability.
Unfortunately, to date, these arguments have not been enough to convince even a majority of the liberal and progressive Members of Congress to support
impeachment hearings. In addition, the leadership of the Democratic Party in Congress genuinely feels that pursuing impeachment will jeopardize our
congressional agenda and threaten gains in the November elections. Although I genuinely disagree with this view, to date I have been unable to
convince them to change this policy.
I understand the challenges that we are up against, and I recognize the odds that we face. Nevertheless, I will remain unyielding and insist Justice
will prevail and the rule of law must be restrored to its previous place in our Constitutions Bill of Rights. This new evidence from Scott McClellan
could be the tipping point – but we must move quickly. I will use the McClellan admissions to help convince my colleagues that we must hold
Regardless, I will continue to fight for progressive values and our Constitution. I will do everything I can to pursue accountability for criminal
actions taken by this Administration and this Vice President. I will be a furious opponent to any expansion of this misguided war, and I will fight
against the use of torture by our government and to restore and protect our civil liberties here at home.
Most of all, I will continue my efforts to convince my fellow members of Congress and voters, that we should not be a party of passivity - but that we
succeed when we present the public with stark choices that are based on the guarantees in our Constitution, and not on the politics of the moment.
I will continue - at every pass - to call for impeachment and accountability. While I wish more of my colleagues supported our movement, we must not
let our discouragement lead to apathy and distraction in this important election year when we must break free from eight long years of illegalities,
corporate handouts, and a tragic and devastating war.
We should not end the calls for impeachment. I will push against the crimes of the Bush Administration whenever I am provided the opportunity. I
will use my role on the Judiciary Committee to take on Administration officials – like I have done with Condoleezza Rice, Attorney Generals Gonzalez
and Mukasey, and FBI Director Mueller.
I have not given up on you and your fight is our fight to hold this Administration accountable. As always Kent, I am grateful for your efforts,
emails, patriotism and support. I'll continue to keep you informed and part of the conversation with others on this matter.
Congressman Robert Wexler
Fukino has confirmed numerous times of Obamas birth in Hawaii two years after it became a state. Despite this the fringers continue to harass
him and accuse him of being implicated in some conspiracy (yes everything is a conspiracy the fringe the rightie is not power) so I really dont blame
him for snubbing folks off. Good on him in my opinion.
My question is,, why did fukino snub us off and why was it fukino had to say anything when Obama has a very talented gift of gab himself.
The fringe? Have you any idea how many democrats are starting to wonder what the hell the problem is with this guy? That perhaps it is true when you
ask around that NO ONE ever HAS checked this guy out
Obama needs not answer to a fringers who also believe him to be a muslim, the anti-christ and an elitist. Why on earth would he answer to folks
who will hate him and have some conspiracy about him regardless? .
Do you even know what a conspiracy is? NO you don't and another thing you don't know is what we think. You only know what it is we keep asking to
know, while you keep arguing reasons for us not having the right to know and if you are going to be so presumptuous, I will be too and suggest YOU
also know he isn't a NBC and just don't care because you are so caught up in the ether of the ObamaBorg collective.
If the hateful fringe is feeling the hurt from being snubbed off its their problem for being hateful in the first place.
We don't hate Obama southern, we hate the Borg that put an imposter in office. hating Obama? hehe he isn't that damn important.
You and your fringer buddies are the ones who are continuing to divide the country with your constant hatred and discrimmination to those who
have a different opinion or view to you. Fixing aint your thing in a sense.
What we do, we do for the sake of the Country and if you don't like it,,
Thanks for again getting your information off another fringer site... dont know why your scared about actually looking at other more
non-partisan ideological websites but maybe you just prefer to go onto sites that tell you what you want to hear. By the way WND actually confirmed
the authenticity of Obamas BC and his birth on US soil as well... they are confused aint they?
None of them at wnd saw Obama's vaulted BC and none of them have the authority to confirm Jack squat. USA today isn't mainstream and liberal enough
to have this article?
The question here is not what the supreme judge will do but as to whether the fringers will continue their assualt and hatred when he concludes
the case holds litte to nothing as well.
You really need to stop using Nancy Reagans astrologer southern
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