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posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 06:41 AM
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Originally posted by gate13
if obama was white there would be no fuss over where he was born.

as long as he does good job for your country who gives a f@#ck where he is from even if your constitution says the president has to be born in america

ummm last time i checked John McCain is white and there was a big fuss over where he was born. put the race card back in your wallet.

also, Obama is not doing a good job for this country, he has put us further in debt in 2 months than Bush did in 8 years. well actually Obama hasnt done a thing since taking office accept appoint people to make the decisions for him.




posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 06:45 AM
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Originally posted by Jim Scott
What? This is still an issue? For pete's sake, he was born of an American citizen. That makes him an American citizen. Read the law, instead of this thread and all the other ones like it.


How do you know? because some Obamaborg in the collective ether siad so because someone else said so and someone told that guy so? Does any one know anyone who knows anyone, anyone at all who has actually seen this mans vaulted BC and has said it states where he was born as honolulu Hawaii?



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 06:46 AM
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Originally posted by gate13
if obama was white there would be no fuss over where he was born.

as long as he does good job for your country who gives a f@#ck where he is from even if your constitution says the president has to be born in america


Because what separates us from raw animals is the ability to manage our future by solidifying the past.
The constitution is a document created for freedom by our forefathers in the past. Slowly modifying that to serve an agenda is not TRULY American and forfeits everything many people have died for since then.

If you do not grasp this then you have fundamentally missed something or you do not care for your rights and the rights that free men try to uphold. The rule was written for ultimate protection.

If an American feels cheated or feels uneasy about what is happening to the laws that govern our land, then exercising the right for the truth to be publicly known is the most American thing they can do...
..whether you like it or not.

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posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by truthseeker12

Originally posted by gate13
if obama was white there would be no fuss over where he was born.

as long as he does good job for your country who gives a f@#ck where he is from even if your constitution says the president has to be born in america

ummm last time i checked John McCain is white and there was a big fuss over where he was born. put the race card back in your wallet.

also, Obama is not doing a good job for this country, he has put us further in debt in 2 months than Bush did in 8 years. well actually Obama hasnt done a thing since taking office accept appoint people to make the decisions for him.


is obama to blaim for the economical problems we re having world wirde at the momment? if bush was in power would he not be taking the same measures as obama or at least doing something similar?

howard left australia in a surplus and rudd has put us $200 billion in debt that will take 10 years to pay back. what is the best way of doing it?



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 07:06 AM
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Originally posted by gate13

Originally posted by truthseeker12

Originally posted by gate13
if obama was white there would be no fuss over where he was born.

as long as he does good job for your country who gives a f@#ck where he is from even if your constitution says the president has to be born in america

ummm last time i checked John McCain is white and there was a big fuss over where he was born. put the race card back in your wallet.

also, Obama is not doing a good job for this country, he has put us further in debt in 2 months than Bush did in 8 years. well actually Obama hasnt done a thing since taking office accept appoint people to make the decisions for him.


is obama to blaim for the economical problems we re having world wirde at the momment? if bush was in power would he not be taking the same measures as obama or at least doing something similar?

howard left australia in a surplus and rudd has put us $200 billion in debt that will take 10 years to pay back. what is the best way of doing it?


liberal democrats are to blame for the financial meltdown, they are the ones that pushed for NINJA loans. Obama is a liberal democrat, very liberal. Obama also represented ACORN in a lawsuit, maybe you should ask him what that was all about. so to answer your question, yes Obama is to blame.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Lets see here.... the Bush administration, the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, the republican party, the Hillary campagin, the McCain campaign, the DNC, the Hawaii republican state government and the Hawaiian health officials. Why dont you go ahead an ask them as to why they agree that Obama was born on US soil. The rightwing fringe aint enough to convince anybody there is a real issue, especially if they continue to reference WND.


Why don't YOU ask them southern, seems when we did, they all said the same thing you are. That someone else MUST have checked this out so and everyone thinks someone has but nobody knows anyone that did.



No thats where you are wrong. This BC conspiracy has been up and running since late 2007, the notion the Hillary campaign found out something and left it and just went through that whole desperate fiasco in the last months is well.... either stupid or playing the fool merc...



How is this a conspiracy southern? Oh and we have been asking to see his vaulted BC before that and to this day he has not proven a thing, answered any questions and has taken great pains to keep this, like everything else about his past, from ever seeing the light of day. He is THAT embarrassed by it and that convicted by it if it ever got out.



And yet they voted him in. Most conservatives and republicans dont like Bush now..... and yet they voted him in twice. The folks on the right cant make up their minds.


They HAD to vote for him twice, as usual the Democrats couldn't offer an electable alternative




What your doing here is basically saying that both the McCain and Hillary campaigns didnt want to release this at the expense of their own campaigns. That is far from true in that scenario, infact there was a bitter divide and both rival campaigns were desperate. They didnt hold out on anything. The elections where Obama only got a mere 7% more proved how close things were.


With all that BS vitriol they spit at eachother I cannot take politicians serious in this regard because the very next day they are all lovey dovey and what does obimbo do??? He makes Hillary his secretary of state!

AND SHE ACCEPTS!

Where is her dignity .


This is the issue, you folks continue to change your story. Its when the notion of all the agencies and groups who agree he is eligible, then they are implicated in a conspiracy. The fact checkers who confirmed his eligibility are now also implicated in some conspiracy. While your at it why dont you implicate around 60 million americans in this "conspiracy" merce


Like I said southern, you don't know what a conspiracy is do you.

You see, this is not that hard to figure out, it is right out of saul alinsky's book. You know, that one about how to install communism in a capitalist society without spilling a drop of blood. While you suggest that this is the kind of thing where so many people would have to be involved hiding his secret, it isn't like that at all. You are a unknowing agent in a conspiracy for change. Sauls exact words.

But there IS no secret for anyone to keep because NONE of you, NO NOT ONE of you, not the DNC, The RNC, The courts, the FBI, CIA, not even one of those 60 million strong in the Obamaborg collective,

have ever seen this mans vaulted BC to state what it says about where he was born. So don't get all hatefull on the "fringe" for what all of you FAILED to accomplish using the only proof prima facie existing. I would like to know why they would settle for anything less and why they accepted it when they knew this would happen. The only one keeping this drama going,, is OBAMA!




He presented his short for birth certificate which was sufficient evidence:


You can't even get squatters rights in Hawaii using that thing. Even the State of hawaii knows how easy it is to create a fake one and by the way, that is what www.FiCTion.Borg has tried to pass off as fact when it is BUNK




..and by the way Im yet to see a reference as to whether it the fact of being born over seas and still having it announced in the papers is factual. In addition Obamas birth was announced in two papers in Hawaii, now dont you think the notion of Obamas mother going to kenya, having Obama there, and then coming back and having it announced in the papers well... just unreal? Come on now.



Many people did that back then including my own parents



Obama was born on August 4th 1961. The newspaper was dated august 13 as seen above. It shows it was about 9 days following his birth and it actually says in the newspaper announcement that he was born on August the 4th. The other article and the officials involved in the articles can confirmed that it is real. The article was actually found by a Hillary supporter.



Does it mention the doctor?

NOPE

The Hospital?

Does it mention that no address is in that area and if there ever was one all the houses in that area and the people the lived there back then do NOT remember little Obimbo

That is the curious thing about this guy is NO ONE KNOWS a thing about him and you know what,,


YOU DON'T EITHER



[edit on 17-3-2009 by Aermacchi]



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 08:39 AM
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My 2 cents,

I voted for the other guy, but you know what? Even if Obama showed proof of his Birth in Hawaii, there will be something else. Like, He lied about his shoe size or something and it will always be something cynical while he’s in office. Some people will never relinquish the fact that he is the President of the United States and nothing can be done about it.


I have conceived to be “I’ll see” party.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 08:48 AM
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Uhh, as the state department has already made clear, for the vaulted birth certificate to even be examined by the appropriate outside individuals, the fringe need to provide reason. There must be a court order.

Again, want to get verifiable evidence (aka, you still just have to trust the person who examines it), then you need to get a court order.

The only people you guys have to blame is yourselves. You have failed at getting any case to discovery, the point at which Obama would have to provide some evidence of his own.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 08:57 AM
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"Based on Mccain's birth place, he technically would not be legally allowed to be president"

That's wrong.




Actually that is not wrong. It has been thoroughly investigated. And I am not about to go searching for links to it yet again(its all in other threads here). When he was challenged it was a legit claim that he was not eligible(he is in fact a us citizen, but not a natural born us citizen), but the case was brought to congress, and was voted on.
Congress approved his right to run, however, this ruling is not legally binding. So if it was indeed taken to a court he would likely lose, if the law was followed to the letter. This is the opinion of "legal" Mccain and Obama supporters alike.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 09:07 AM
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Oh and further to my post above......

To those that are bashing these so called upset "fringe republicans". You can bet that if Mccain actually won the election, there would be
upset "fringe democrats" who would be filing suits against Mccain for the same thing.

As a matter of fact one of the suits against Obama also named Mccain. It went after both candidates for being illigitimate.


This whole thing is going no where anyway. If the powers that be want Obama then thats who you get.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

When they are ready to collapse the banks they will collapse Obama a day or two before. With constitutional scholars debating whether Biden would be eligible because he was elected on an ineligible ticket and accusations flying that house leaders like Pelosi .......


Interesting scenario you layed out for us.

If Biden is disqualified..that would put Pelosi in the White House.
Now that is a real power grab.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 12:05 PM
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It is of interest that even though Senator McCain was recognized as a citizen by the current laws of the United States and there was no legal reason to hold a court to articulate the clear definition of his citizenship, a senate bill (S. RES. 511) was introduced on April 10, 2008 by several Senators : Mr. LEAHY, Mr. OBAMA, Mr. COBURN, Mrs. CLINTON, and Mr. WEBB.

This written and passed bill was introduced with a clear introduction of an ‘intent’ to extend the meaning of the Constitution without legal presidence. This basically laid a presumption of merit towards any politician seeking office who MAY have a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ argument.

Is this why McCain was ‘chosen’ to sit in the Republican primary seat during a time when the clear majority of conservative Republicans was clearly not supporting John McCain for his non-conservative positions.? Was he a staged candidate because of his ‘conditional’ status as a Foreign born natural citizen?

His electability was clear and non-contested prior to this Senate Bill .511 obfuscation. Was Obama’s support and co-authorship of this bill, for someone he was battling in the primaries for the presidency a strategy to
redefine his ‘citizenship’ after the elections to keep him constitutionally ‘in play’ as president even after he finally shows his BC and it may not be Constitutionally Kosher?

And what's with Obama sealing ALL of his schools records?



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by Irish M1ck
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Uhh, as the state department has already made clear, for the vaulted birth certificate to even be examined by the appropriate outside individuals, the fringe need to provide reason. There must be a court order.

Again, want to get verifiable evidence (aka, you still just have to trust the person who examines it), then you need to get a court order.

The only people you guys have to blame is yourselves. You have failed at getting any case to discovery, the point at which Obama would have to provide some evidence of his own.


The challenge to the court hasn't been heard on these grounds Mick. This is a direct challenge to whose authority is Obama President. This is a direct request he meet the minimum requirements of same, mandated by the Constitution whereby it is incumbent on the person to prove he has met those requirements. This is NOT the same as legalese would for burden of proof such as southern guardian mistakenly suggests would be the peoples in a criminal lawsuit. He is not being charged with a crime but compelled by whose "authority" where it is the court to hear for the first time he give a name of someone that is an officer of the court to state those quailifications substantiated by proof prima facie. Their is plenty of witness testimony and actions by Obama himself that he has not only NOT answered this challenge required by the constitution but has done everything under the sun to evade the question from stonewalling to having his handlers answer questions for him so that HE cannot be held accountable with words that he knows would certainly be held against him.

The burden is on him to give full disclosure and the people are not buying the crap about what the law says about his privacy. He waived his right to be a private citizen with the celebrity of his office. He is NOT a candidate anymore, he is President and their is more than enough signatures for a class action suit if they wanted to for a grand jury to decide if Obama has committed a crime. Their is more than enough reason to show his un-willingness to be above board and honest in this regard to satisfy this challenge using his obstruction as motive for a coverup. You talk about all these people that you say have bent over backwards to do everything else in a manner to satisfy proof using public dept of health employees clerks etc. to disclosing COLB's where NOT one Judge could say they have seen it and it corroborates what it says on his vaulted BC. In the age of the internet and things like youtube we have enough sources and dis-information to give creedence to the COLB's necessary authentication, but quit playing like we are stupid!

We have NEVER, no not EVER questioned the validity of COLB's being a valid COLB but whose COLB? with the amount of disinformation out there and any other form of paper trail that would otherwise show where he was originially born, such as college documents and hospital records in Kenya where they do not have the excuse for privacy as they do here, Obama has had all of that sealed for the same reason. Not because he doesn't want us to see his damn grades mick!

We have since the very beginning demanded the validation corroboration of the information ON THE COLB! Not by experts to tell us "yeah its a real government issued document but can't even tell us what it says on it. That is as asinine as taking a polygrapgh and asking whether someone passed it saying they did but we don't get to know if he killed his wife or not moreover it is an insult to us that these games he has played, he keeps playing to avoid telling us like my analogy of the polygragh, unless we know the questions asked, they could ask a suspect, "did you kill your wife?" he says yes i did and all we get to know is that the suspect took a lie detector test and he didn't lie.

In the meantime we have people like you saying "HE PASSED the lie test! now get off his neck!" but none of us knows whether or not he committed murder! becauseof some stupid law that dictates we only get to know if he passed or failed and the questions are not disclosed.

This is often the reason such tests are not admissable because they are worthless when it comes to getting to the truth and so is this crap he has pulled, manipulating all of you into defending a simliar albeit, tortureuosly construed alibi.

The only difference between making an investigation over McCain birth place and Obama's is McCain had the Cahonies to thwart a lawsuit such as this and give the Democrats insisting on it, WHAT they WANTED and showed his vaulted BC. To date Obama has NOT done this so an investigation is being asked.

The excuses you and the rest of you Obamamaniacs have given us are pathetic. The President should MAN UP and show it INSPITE of what YOU think we would complain about next. To me this is just more of the same tactics to have it appear that we are unreasonable never satisfied sour losers as if this is just one more of the great aggregation of the many other unreasonable requests we have made, when the FACT is, it is the ONLY one we have ever asked for and to date Obama has not lifted a finger or said a word regarding this ONE simple, easy to task, reasonable to ask question.

His refusal to answer this when it is assumed we are not asking for anything more than the Democrats asked of John McCain, is a blatant denial of OUR right to a constitutionally authorized Natural Born American President and if it takes hammering the courts till he can substantiate his status to give authority to this requirment, he will lose more and more of our trust and will be considered a con artist and you the Americans he got away with it while bilking the American public of trillions of dollars in wealth in a quick crush of the American economy, forcing us into collective socialism where the economy is nationalized investment and we take all the risk.

This is text book steps in converting a society to communism in Obama's favorite book taken from his favorite author Saul Alinsky. The masses are asses and it is assumed that fewer have higher I.Q.'s than the rest so I would have to say it is the fringe, and not the masses of asses that are on to something here and how easily you all were duped by the most easily orchestrated shell game of situational politics the world will have ever seen and,,

you all fell for it



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by JPhish

Originally posted by Aermacchi
We don't hate Obama southern, we hate the Borg that put an imposter in office.

exactly. Obama to me, is more scary than Bush ever was. At least we had an idea of what Bushes M.O. was based on how his father helped run the country. We have no idea what to expect from Obama.

You can see exactly what he did as an illegal alien Senator. He only voted 'present'.But on the few occasions he did actually do his job, he voted straight down the Demoncratic line. Exactly. No compromise.
I was rather surprised that President Shrillary didn't declare martial law and just disband Congress, and the Constitution. She could have. But her owners apparently had other ideas, just like her divorcing Bent Billy. She didn't have any choice. What goes on behind closed doors?



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 07:15 PM
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Just wanted to remind you about my prior posts to you.

"Just wait, YOUR GOING TO BE SORRY" Remember? he he he. I think when this comes out he should be hung in public.... And you right next to him! Now that would be liberal thing to do, don't you think? You would finely get what you have been asking for.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 07:47 PM
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That was a big long post for nothing. It is the side of the accuser that has the burden of proof to bring this to trial. Once that happens, if it happens, you'll get what you want.

If not, oh well. Take up a new cause.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 11:09 PM
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This forum is the biggest bunch of idiots I have ever encountered.

From what I see, you have to have some sort of cartoon character to represent you so that others will take you seriously. If you are new on here, which I am cause I only rejoined under another name, you don't get any kudos until you post a bunch of negative stuff about others and their posts....

Wow!!! What a concept. No one reads what ya post...they bash you or ignore you for posting something of substance, and you get no points for doing any of it.....WOW!!! Sounds like most politicians.... Great system.

Last one...this will certainly be deleted from my bookmarks...

Just keep on arguing....that's want the "guys that really run the world" want...

Sheeple...............pffffffttt!.

Buh bye now...buh bye...



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 11:53 PM
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"Wow!!! What a concept. No one reads what ya post...they bash you or ignore you for posting something of substance, and you get no points for doing any of it.....WOW!!! Sounds like most politicians.... Great system."
Last one...this will certainly be deleted from my bookmarks...

This isn't a points gaining contest. Near as i can tell there's no actual reward for gaining points. If you want points so very badly, make up some alien abduction story with no evidence to back it up and post it in The Grey Area. Griping isn't going to get you anywhere.

TheAssociate

[edit on 17-3-2009 by TheAssociate]



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by Aermacchi
 


That was a big long post for nothing. It is the side of the accuser that has the burden of proof to bring this to trial. Once that happens, if it happens, you'll get what you want.

If not, oh well. Take up a new cause.


burden of proof? proof requires evidence, to gather evidence you need discovery. the Obama camp is blocking any attempt at discovery of the evidence and the SCOTUS is going right along with it.

doesnt matter as i have stated before it is impossible for Barack Obama to be a natural born citizen since his father was not an American citizen but was rather a British subject.



posted on Mar, 18 2009 @ 01:43 AM
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Originally posted by truthseeker12
burden of proof? proof requires evidence, to gather evidence you need discovery.


this is the excuse for not having evidence? "discovery?? What did you discover something on your local fringer blog?
seriously this BC thing gets better and better.


the Obama camp is blocking any attempt at discovery of the evidence and the SCOTUS is going right along with it.


Obama has presented the evidence requested of him. The fringe, the ones who also believe him to be all sorts of things.. like the anti christ and a muslim.. are the only ones crying foul. This is a constitutional republic, these united states, and in such the constitution applys to Obama and other non-fringers just as the average fringer. The burden of proof lies on the accuser so wheres the evidence? Wheres the constitutional evidence?


doesnt matter as i have stated before it is impossible for Barack Obama to be a natural born citizen since his father was not an American citizen but was rather a British subject.


It does matter when you pull things out of somebody elses mouth but fail to do the research yourself.

True, Barack Obama did have dual citizenship when he was born, he did gain part british citizenship at birth ,however, it should noted that he only held british citizenship for a few years before Kenya became independent from the British empire where in turn Obamas dual citizenship came under the kenyan constitution. At that time the United states held no recognition to the Kenyan constitution regarding citizenship and therefor Obamas dual citizenship became irrelevant and under US law he was, and always had been, a natural born citizen. The argument from the fringes comes from the fact that because he was a dual citizen, it disqualified him from being president which is wrong. Obama lost his dual citizenship and only kept the natural born citizenship of the United states over 25 years to this day. He did not have dual citizenship at the time of his running for the nomination and president there for he was and is still verymuch eligible.


1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963...

2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.

www.bunge.go.ke...

By the above any Kenyans who fell under british citizenship laws prior to Kenyas independence became irrelevant vai Kenyan law and there for, this further proves the point of how irrelevant his dual citizenship with kenya was. Obama was still verymuch eligible, and still is, to be president. Kenyan Constitution prohibits dual citizenship for adults and so this further indicated that Obama lost dual citizenship in recognition from Kenya in 1981 which was in anycase irrelevant under US law meaning he was just a natural born american citizen for the last 28years and counting. At the time he won the presidency he was still just a natural born american citizen, making him eligible.

In addition Barack Obama Senior was already married to another woman. Barack Obama Senior was married in 1954 to Kezia (or Keziah) with whom he had four children. Barack Obama Senior had one child with Kezia, and Kezia was pregnant with his second child when he met 18 year old Stanley Dunham, Barack Obama II's mother. Barack Obama Senior failed to mention that he was married and a father, even when he took Stanley Dunham as his second wife. She did not find out until some time later. There for under US law and British laws at the time the marriage between Ms Dunham and Mr Obama was not legal and as such making Obama being born, on american soil, to a single mother. He may verywell be more american than many who argue him not to be at all.


look even a fringe website further reinforces what I had said above without knowing its disproving the BC conspiracy in itself...

www.christianfaithandreason.com...

Indonesian citizenship argument. failed

Kenyan/British dual citizenship argument. failed

Evidence shown of him being born outside of america. failed

Evidence of Ms Dunham ever leaving for Kenya during Obamas birth? failed

Please oh please continue on as you are.


[edit on 18-3-2009 by Southern Guardian]



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