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Originally posted by dankai
Originally posted by xmotex
All this tells me is that it's somewhat frightening the degree to which the extreme right has infiltrated our military.
I know rightists tend to be prone to militarism, but we need to watch out for these people, lest we find ourselves facing a military coup by Neo Nazis.
It wouldn't be the first time the extreme right tried to do away with American democracy: read about the Business Plot, a conspiracy to overthrow FDR and install a military government.
Fortunately it was exposed and foiled by a very patriotic and courageous Marine, Major General Smedley Butler, AKA "The Fighting Quaker."
Well said. And we are not out of the clear yet because the blood that existed then is still alive and well today. But thanks to the courage of Major General Smedley Butler and soldiers like Maj. Gen. Carroll Childers, Clinton Alan Grimes, and Lt. Scott Easterling this Republic may stand a chance.
Even U.S. Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., said during a meeting with constituents in Cullman County a few days ago he has never seen proof the new president was born in Hawaii. And continues, "Well, his father was Kenyan and they said he was born in Hawaii, but I haven't seen any birth certificate," Shelby said. "You have to be born in America to be president." Again, a U.S. Senator said that. These people coming forward are not cowards......but they are scared. They are scared that our Republic will not exist much longer if crooks like the Bush family, the Clinton family, and the Obama family continue to destroy us.
Originally posted by jd140
As an active duty soldier, I must insist you not lump us all together when you say your arguement is supported by us. As I do not support your moronic accusations that you make day after day.
President Obama is our President. It's okay, in 4 years we might get a Republican Presidetnt. If not, then theres always 2016. Democrates aren't out to get you or make your life miserable. If you think about it, President Obama really hasn't done anything much differantly then President Bush did. Granted it has only been a month, but so far everything is normal.
Stop digging through google for news from sources people will ridicule you for and pay attention to what is really going on with the President.
You might be suprised on what is going on. Though I admit I am not 100% satisfied with him, but neither was I of President Bush.
Originally posted by Jenna
Wow, only took 10 posts for the race card to come out this time. Getting quicker on the draw.
That makes three articles on WND saying soldiers are questioning his eligibility, and there are still several lawsuits waiting to be decided on as far as I am aware. I'm still a bit skeptical about the WND articles since they are the only ones reporting this, however to say that false information is being knowingly posted is a bit of a stretch. Once every lawsuit has been dismissed or otherwise decided on, then yeah, but they haven't been.
The most common argument I have heard over the last several months on here is that Obama doesn't have to show any one person his BC and that even if he did no one would believe it. I haven't read any case that asks for the plaintiff specifically to be given access to his BC, everything I have seen asks that it be validated by someone that is impartial and not on his payroll. Personally I don't think that's too much to ask. Just let it be validated by someone impartial, and no I don't consider FactCheck.org to be completely impartial, and get it over with.
Also it's important to keep in mind that the lawsuits that have been dismissed, have been dismissed because the court ruled the plaintiff didn't have standing and the court didn't have jurisdiction. Not because they didn't think there was a case or because they didn't think there was any truth to it. The problem is figuring out who exactly has standing so that one case will actually be heard and decided on. If these WND articles are true, then perhaps the courts will decide that someone in the military does have standing now that Obama is the CIC. All it takes is one single, solitary case to be decided on, and the controversy will end.
Originally posted by Afrosamurai
reply to post by Jenna
Hmm, all these white men are saying a black man can't be president but you say again its not about race? John McCain was born in Panama but since he's white they had no problem. Obama was born in Hawaii, an American state, but he's black so they can't let him be president. Yeah, no race involved, just no problem with a white man born in Panama but a huge problem with a black man born in Hawaii. Also, isn't the FBI, NSA, CIA, impartial?
Originally posted by Jenna
I'm still a bit skeptical about the WND articles since they are the only ones reporting this, however to say that false information is being knowingly posted is a bit of a stretch.
I haven't read any case that asks for the plaintiff specifically to be given access to his BC, everything I have seen asks that it be validated by someone that is impartial and not on his payroll.
Originally posted by DREAMING MAN
There is no transparency with Obama's birth certificate, nor his background, nor his cabinet choices. The list is endless.
The only transparency about Obama's Oval Office is that he intends to alter this nation with strict Socialist Reform.
What he campaigned to do was wrong. What he is doing now is wrong. It flies in the face of what this nation was formed upon & what our founding fathers established.
I fought in two wars to defend and uphold us from enemies both outside & within. I am sickened to the very core of my soul by what I see before me. All that I have served this land to defend with my life is being cut down before my eyes, & I have to stand and watch. (Let us free the terrorists who attack us. Let us feel pity for them who murdered thousands of our fellow Americans.) This is not the land of my fathers, nor of my pride! This is the sweeping away of self respect, & for that I am horribly ashamed. Ashamed to be an American, for the first time in my life. I feel alienated & betrayed by this travesty of "transparency."
Too many Americans have a short memory span. They repeatedly fail History 101! Year after year! They prefer to feel warm & fuzzy as opposed to feeling safe & secure. This Administration is rushing us headlong into a colossal train wreck. I abhor violence, because I have seen it's brutalities up close & personal. I hope that America is not bound for Revolution or Civil war. However, people will begin to reach a breaking point & snap, then the floodgates will open.
This formerly Great Nation is Dead. Period. It just hasn't fallen to the ground.
Originally posted by converge
reply to post by Afrosamurai
Seriously, stop with the race thing!
I'm not going to stand here and deny there is racism and that could be the reason why some people don't want or like to see Obama as President of the United States, but this is about a legal issue.
Address the legal side of this matter, because all else is just a waste of everyone's time, and distract us all from discussing the issues at hand.
[edit on 27-2-2009 by converge]
Originally posted by dankai
We finally agree on something converge.