Daki

As an active duty soldier, I must insist you not lump us all together when you say your arguement is supported by us. As I do not support your moronic accusations that you make day after day.

President Obama is our President. It's okay, in 4 years we might get a Republican Presidetnt. If not, then theres always 2016. Democrates aren't out to get you or make your life miserable. If you think about it, President Obama really hasn't done anything much differantly then President Bush did. Granted it has only been a month, but so far everything is normal.

Stop digging through google for news from sources people will ridicule you for and pay attention to what is really going on with the President.

You might be suprised on what is going on. Though I admit I am not 100% satisfied with him, but neither was I of President Bush.

So if you look up at that comment, you will see it isn't replying to any other.

Originally posted by jd140
Daki

As an active duty soldier, I must insist you not lump us all together when you say your arguement is supported by us. As I do not support your moronic accusations that you make day after day.

President Obama is our President. It's okay, in 4 years we might get a Republican Presidetnt. If not, then theres always 2016. Democrates aren't out to get you or make your life miserable. If you think about it, President Obama really hasn't done anything much differantly then President Bush did. Granted it has only been a month, but so far everything is normal.

Stop digging through google for news from sources people will ridicule you for and pay attention to what is really going on with the President.

You might be suprised on what is going on. Though I admit I am not 100% satisfied with him, but neither was I of President Bush.

Firstly, I'm not lumping you with anyone. I made a comment about active duty and non active military persons. I can say that because that's what they are. If you feel like you were offended, then you created that offence. No offence was made.

Wow, only took 10 posts for the race card to come out this time. Getting quicker on the draw.

That makes three articles on WND saying soldiers are questioning his eligibility, and there are still several lawsuits waiting to be decided on as far as I am aware. I'm still a bit skeptical about the WND articles since they are the only ones reporting this, however to say that false information is being knowingly posted is a bit of a stretch. Once every lawsuit has been dismissed or otherwise decided on, then yeah, but they haven't been.

The most common argument I have heard over the last several months on here is that Obama doesn't have to show any one person his BC and that even if he did no one would believe it. I haven't read any case that asks for the plaintiff specifically to be given access to his BC, everything I have seen asks that it be validated by someone that is impartial and not on his payroll. Personally I don't think that's too much to ask. Just let it be validated by someone impartial, and no I don't consider FactCheck.org to be completely impartial, and get it over with.

Also it's important to keep in mind that the lawsuits that have been dismissed, have been dismissed because the court ruled the plaintiff didn't have standing and the court didn't have jurisdiction. Not because they didn't think there was a case or because they didn't think there was any truth to it. The problem is figuring out who exactly has standing so that one case will actually be heard and decided on. If these WND articles are true, then perhaps the courts will decide that someone in the military does have standing now that Obama is the CIC. All it takes is one single, solitary case to be decided on, and the controversy will end.

Originally posted by Jenna
Wow, only took 10 posts for the race card to come out this time. Getting quicker on the draw.

That makes three articles on WND saying soldiers are questioning his eligibility, and there are still several lawsuits waiting to be decided on as far as I am aware. I'm still a bit skeptical about the WND articles since they are the only ones reporting this, however to say that false information is being knowingly posted is a bit of a stretch. Once every lawsuit has been dismissed or otherwise decided on, then yeah, but they haven't been.

The most common argument I have heard over the last several months on here is that Obama doesn't have to show any one person his BC and that even if he did no one would believe it. I haven't read any case that asks for the plaintiff specifically to be given access to his BC, everything I have seen asks that it be validated by someone that is impartial and not on his payroll. Personally I don't think that's too much to ask. Just let it be validated by someone impartial, and no I don't consider FactCheck.org to be completely impartial, and get it over with.

Also it's important to keep in mind that the lawsuits that have been dismissed, have been dismissed because the court ruled the plaintiff didn't have standing and the court didn't have jurisdiction. Not because they didn't think there was a case or because they didn't think there was any truth to it. The problem is figuring out who exactly has standing so that one case will actually be heard and decided on. If these WND articles are true, then perhaps the courts will decide that someone in the military does have standing now that Obama is the CIC. All it takes is one single, solitary case to be decided on, and the controversy will end.

Thank you for that. That was written more perfectly than I could have written it. Fact upon fact upon fact. Thank you Jenna.

There is no transparency with Obama's birth certificate, nor his background, nor his cabinet choices. The list is endless.

The only transparency about Obama's Oval Office is that he intends to alter this nation with strict Socialist Reform.

What he campaigned to do was wrong. What he is doing now is wrong. It flies in the face of what this nation was formed upon & what our founding fathers established.

I fought in two wars to defend and uphold us from enemies both outside & within. I am sickened to the very core of my soul by what I see before me. All that I have served this land to defend with my life is being cut down before my eyes, & I have to stand and watch. (Let us free the terrorists who attack us. Let us feel pity for them who murdered thousands of our fellow Americans.) This is not the land of my fathers, nor of my pride! This is the sweeping away of self respect, & for that I am horribly ashamed. Ashamed to be an American, for the first time in my life. I feel alienated & betrayed by this travesty of "transparency."

Too many Americans have a short memory span. They repeatedly fail History 101! Year after year! They prefer to feel warm & fuzzy as opposed to feeling safe & secure. This Administration is rushing us headlong into a colossal train wreck. I abhor violence, because I have seen it's brutalities up close & personal. I hope that America is not bound for Revolution or Civil war. However, people will begin to reach a breaking point & snap, then the floodgates will open.

This formerly Great Nation is Dead. Period. It just hasn't fallen to the ground.

I would say, why the hell should Obama show his Birth Certificate to one and all?

Do you when you apply for a job, go around the factory showing the workforce your birth certificate? ........ No you dont, why should the US President then.

I would dare to say that any contender for the US President comes under more scrutiny than any other US Citizen ....... if there was anything wrong, it would have been found.

Originally posted by DREAMING MAN
There is no transparency with Obama's birth certificate, nor his background, nor his cabinet choices. The list is endless.

The only transparency about Obama's Oval Office is that he intends to alter this nation with strict Socialist Reform.

What he campaigned to do was wrong. What he is doing now is wrong. It flies in the face of what this nation was formed upon & what our founding fathers established.

I fought in two wars to defend and uphold us from enemies both outside & within. I am sickened to the very core of my soul by what I see before me. All that I have served this land to defend with my life is being cut down before my eyes, & I have to stand and watch. (Let us free the terrorists who attack us. Let us feel pity for them who murdered thousands of our fellow Americans.) This is not the land of my fathers, nor of my pride! This is the sweeping away of self respect, & for that I am horribly ashamed. Ashamed to be an American, for the first time in my life. I feel alienated & betrayed by this travesty of "transparency."

Too many Americans have a short memory span. They repeatedly fail History 101! Year after year! They prefer to feel warm & fuzzy as opposed to feeling safe & secure. This Administration is rushing us headlong into a colossal train wreck. I abhor violence, because I have seen it's brutalities up close & personal. I hope that America is not bound for Revolution or Civil war. However, people will begin to reach a breaking point & snap, then the floodgates will open.

This formerly Great Nation is Dead. Period. It just hasn't fallen to the ground.

I salute you sir. With Honor.

Originally posted by dankai
We finally agree on something converge.

We don't agree on more because you refuse to address the evidence I and others have presented, and continue to spread lies about the certificate Obama has presented, or that he had his original records concealed, and so on.